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03-19-2013, 04:08 PM
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J-bo+ for Luke/Brayden Schenn

just wanted to know what everyone thinks it would take to get both ? the flames need a centre and giving up jbo i would like to see another d man comming back

I thought Bouwmeester/Stajan for Luke/Brayden Schenn...
(i know the cap space doesn't work as it sits)






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just wanted to know what everyone thinks it would take to get both ? the flames need a centre and giving up jbo i would like to see another d man comming back

I thought Bouwmeester/Stajan for Luke/Brayden Schenn...
(i know the cap space doesn't work as it sits)





I think you're dreaming cowboy. You'd be able to get Luke for JBo straight up for sure, likely even a 2nd rounder thrown in. You'd never get Brayden without adding another really good piece. Think Backlund, Bartschi or our 1st this year. Not Stajan.

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The Schenns are close to untouchable for the Flyers. It will probably take severe overpayment to get either of them. They've both played really well this year and I'm sure a lot of that comes from the comfort factor of playing with one another.

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I think you're dreaming cowboy. You'd be able to get Luke for JBo straight up for sure, likely even a 2nd rounder thrown in. You'd never get Brayden without adding another really good piece. Think Backlund, Bartschi or our 1st this year. Not Stajan.
No chance Luke is dealt for JBo. Absolutely none.

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It would have to be JayBo, Sven, Backlund, Gio and still philly would say no

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just wanted to know what everyone thinks it would take to get both ? the flames need a centre and giving up jbo i would like to see another d man comming back

I thought Bouwmeester/Stajan for Luke/Brayden Schenn...
(i know the cap space doesn't work as it sits)


There isn't a viable framework.

For context, fairly or not, the majority of Flyers fans don't support a Read for Bouwmeester swap--even that that's a net win for the Flyers on paper (both are UFAs after next season, and Bouwmeester is a the superior player).

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I think you're dreaming cowboy. You'd be able to get Luke for JBo straight up for sure, likely even a 2nd rounder thrown in. You'd never get Brayden without adding another really good piece. Think Backlund, Bartschi or our 1st this year. Not Stajan.


I think i would do a Backlund and Jbo for the two. Dont really think the flames would drop Bart or the 1st. what is Philly looking for anyhow? i know they want D.
What about JBo, Babchuk/Sarich, maybe a 3rd

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No chance Luke is dealt for JBo. Absolutely none.
Exactly. JBow is much, much more valuable, this is coming from a Canucks fan.

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No chance Luke is dealt for JBo. Absolutely none.
I'd be surprised if an actual NHL GM didn't do that. I get that fans have their opinions though. Luke is not a #1. More of a 3/4 type. That makes up for the disparity in age and contract. Don't feel bad though, I wouldn't move JBo for Schenn (Luke, I would for Brayden in a second) either. Which probably means the value is close. Homer has shown that he values a minute eater.

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Exactly. JBow is much, much more valuable, this is coming from a Canucks fan.
The version of JBo from this year definitely. His previous three years it's a debatable point.

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I think i would do a Backlund and Jbo for the two. Dont really think the flames would drop Bart or the 1st. what is Philly looking for anyhow? i know they want D.
What about JBo, Babchuk/Sarich, maybe a 3rd
Ok, I think we can lock this up.

That's not a very serious offer.

Bouwmeester is a very good #2 who is paid like a #1. He's playing like a #1 this year, but hasn't done so consistently. He's a UFA after next season.

You can't ask for both Schenns for that and expect serious responses.

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Exactly. JBow is much, much more valuable, this is coming from a Canucks fan.
Bouwmeester is the better player, but he's being paid twice as much, is six years older, and is a UFA after next season.

Regardless, the Flyers aren't going to split the brothers, and Calgary can't make a reasonable offer for the pair.

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I always thought a Giordano/Baertschi for Luke/Brayden trade would be pretty even in terms of value, but I could see why either team would decline it.

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I always thought a Giordano/Baertschi for Luke/Brayden trade would be pretty even in terms of value, but I could see why either team would decline it.
You're close in terms of value, we probably have to add a little bit. That would at least get them listening. Offers like Stajan and JBo or JBo, Babchuk and a 2nd get the phone slammed in your ear.

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Exactly. JBow is much, much more valuable, this is coming from a Canucks fan.
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I'd be surprised if an actual NHL GM didn't do that. I get that fans have their opinions though. Luke is not a #1. More of a 3/4 type. That makes up for the disparity in age and contract. Don't feel bad though, I wouldn't move JBo for Schenn (Luke, I would for Brayden in a second) either. Which probably means the value is close. Homer has shown that he values a minute eater.
29 year old vs. 22 year old. Bouwmeester improves the Flyers now for sure, but I'd much rather hang on to L.Schenn for his budding career.
This years Luke Schenn has improved drastically. He's going to be an elite defensive d-man (isn't too far off right now), and his skating/hands aren't nearly as bad as advertised.

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29 year old vs. 22 year old. Bouwmeester improves the Flyers now for sure, but I'd much rather hang on to L.Schenn for his budding career.
This years Luke Schenn has improved drastically. He's going to be an elite defensive d-man (isn't too far off right now), and his skating/hands aren't nearly as bad as advertised.
But you aren't an NHL GM trying to save your job by making the playoffs. I think those guys are a little more short-sighted than the rest of us because there are only 29 other gigs like the one they have. BTW, ticky-tacky point, but Schenn is 23...haha.

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Absolutely no deal to be made between the teams involving the schenns together, and I highly doubt the flyers will split them up.

If the organization was entertaining trading them together, they could get better assets than anything the flames could offer.

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Not even close for the OP. Its not even a situation where Calgary would need to add, there is simply no reason why the Flyers would make that trade.

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just wanted to know what everyone thinks it would take to get both ? the flames need a centre and giving up jbo i would like to see another d man comming back

I thought Bouwmeester/Stajan for Luke/Brayden Schenn...
(i know the cap space doesn't work as it sits)





lmao. I'd give you Foster for J-bo. Since when has Bouwmeester become this stud defenseman? He's an over priced guy who never showed his true talent. As far as getting Luke Schenn for him, Insanity!

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Exactly. JBow is much, much more valuable, this is coming from a Canucks fan.
Nah, he's really not. JBo is overpaid. Luke is playing the toughest minutes on the Flyers (Highest Corsi Rel QoC), has a positive Corsi, a positive goal differential (one of only 2 Flyers defensemen who can say that), and he's got all of 2 less even strength points than JBo (JBo plays the powerplay, Schenn doesn't).

When you factor in age, cap hit, etc. there's no chance I trade Luke Schenn for JBo.

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Think the original poster overvalued the Flames players!

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Bouwmeester+Iginla for The brothers? I know there is A LOT of salary but we could retain 2mil of Jay Bouws salary?

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Bouwmeester+Iginla for The brothers? I know there is A LOT of salary but we could retain 2mil of Jay Bouws salary?
neither team would do that.

Calgary could more for each individually and Philly likely has no desire for a pending UFA when they are just as bad as the Flames right now.

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You wouldn't get one of the Schenn's for Bouwmeester. Let alone both. When including an overpaid Stajan.

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There isn't a viable framework.
This is my thought. Calgary simply doesn't have the necessary pieces to make a trade work. And if they did they wouldn't want to trade them.

This is one of the more out to lunch proposals I've seen in a while.

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just wanted to know what everyone thinks it would take to get both ? the flames need a centre and giving up jbo i would like to see another d man comming back

I thought Bouwmeester/Stajan for Luke/Brayden Schenn...
(i know the cap space doesn't work as it sits)





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