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The 2013 NHL Entry Draft

View Poll Results: What type of player should we draft?
Powerforward [Centre/Winger] 10 5.92%
Two-Way Forward 1 0.59%
Playmaking Centre 8 4.73%
Goalscoring Winger 64 37.87%
Defensive-Defenseman 16 9.47%
Offensive-Defenseman 10 5.92%
Two-Way Defenseman 47 27.81%
Goaler 0 0%
Trade our 1st for an upgrade 4 2.37%
Other [Smallish Character Centres] 9 5.33%
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03-19-2013, 08:43 PM
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I do trust the Avs drafting skills which has been very good these past few years. But I'm still scared we will screw this up. There are so many "half-busts" who have gone between 5-10th. Like Brett Connolly, Nino Niederreiter, Scott Glennie.

If we do draft first overall, should we take Jones? How many 1st overall defenseman have actually lived up to the expectations? I guess we shouldn't care about earlier busts and just take the one we think are the best.

Would Jones be NHL-ready straight away?m
the expectations of a top 5 pick is to be either a franchise scorer or a franchise goalie. since most goalies aren't regarded that highly anymore in most cases it's a scenario where you're expected to be a 80+ pt producer or you're a bust.

no defensemen is going to score quite that much unless he's a once in a lifetime type.
you look at a lot of the defensemen we Avs fans drool over and they were taken top 5-8. most guys taken #1 have size,speed and are laterally smooth skating but they usually turn into shut down types rather than huge point producers.

so if the expectation is to be elite on offense then no, a D man drafted #1 overall can't live up to expectations.
but if the expectations are to be a shut down type with some solid offense then yes they do live up to them.

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03-19-2013, 08:52 PM
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I do trust the Avs drafting skills which has been very good these past few years. But I'm still scared we will screw this up. There are so many "half-busts" who have gone between 5-10th. Like Brett Connolly, Nino Niederreiter, Scott Glennie.

If we do draft first overall, should we take Jones? How many 1st overall defenseman have actually lived up to the expectations? I guess we shouldn't care about earlier busts and just take the one we think are the best.

Would Jones be NHL-ready straight away?m
LOL what?

Jones IS 1st overall, who cares about the history of defensemen at number one because Jones is clearly better, and he would be on the team next year.

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03-19-2013, 08:59 PM
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I do trust the Avs drafting skills which has been very good these past few years. But I'm still scared we will screw this up. There are so many "half-busts" who have gone between 5-10th. Like Brett Connolly, Nino Niederreiter, Scott Glennie.
You realize that 5 - 10th is just a number and there could be 30 different selections depending on the team that is picking at that point. The player is independent of the number..

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If we do draft first overall, should we take Jones? How many 1st overall defenseman have actually lived up to the expectations? I guess we shouldn't care about earlier busts and just take the one we think are the best.
Yep.


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From everything I've read, yes.

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03-19-2013, 09:35 PM
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With only 20 games left in the season and the Avs playing some of the worst hockey I've ever seen them play, it's time to start looking at the standings and the draft. Sitting pretty at 29th right now and only two points up on the Panthers. We have a couple of games in hand though.


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03-19-2013, 10:03 PM
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With only 20 games left in the season and the Avs playing some of the worst hockey I've ever seen them play, it's time to start looking at the standings and the draft. Sitting pretty at 29th right now and only two points up on the Panthers. We have a couple of games in hand though.

This team is just too good to finish bottom 2.

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03-19-2013, 10:04 PM
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With only 20 games left in the season and the Avs playing some of the worst hockey I've ever seen them play, it's time to start looking at the standings and the draft. Sitting pretty at 29th right now and only two points up on the Panthers. We have a couple of games in hand though.

i'm praying from now til the draft that we get him. that's a franchise game changer.

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03-19-2013, 10:31 PM
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This team is just too good to finish bottom 2.
You underestimate Sacco's Tanking Power!

I'm expecting HIM to take out the team late to strip bars on the road, getting them wasted the nights before the games. Hell, it might ALREADY be happening!!

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03-19-2013, 10:42 PM
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I havent had the chance to really see Jones play this year. How much offensive upside does he truly have? Are his numbers highly depended on the fact that he plays on an absolute power house of a team consisting of the league's top 3 scorers? I'm always hesitant of prospective players that play on stacked teams such as Portland.

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I do trust the Avs drafting skills which has been very good these past few years. But I'm still scared we will screw this up. There are so many "half-busts" who have gone between 5-10th. Like Brett Connolly, Nino Niederreiter, Scott Glennie.

If we do draft first overall, should we take Jones? How many 1st overall defenseman have actually lived up to the expectations? I guess we shouldn't care about earlier busts and just take the one we think are the best.

Would Jones be NHL-ready straight away?m
There are some doubters, even among Portland fans that watch him. Physically there's no doubt he's ready, but I've seen some comments from Portland fans that are critical of his decisions at times. The general consensus is yes though. Many thought he was NHL ready this year.

If he ended up with the Avs, I think we'd have to really see how he looks in camp, and the 10 game tryout to know for sure though. He may benefit from a little extra patience, you never know.

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03-19-2013, 11:00 PM
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There are some doubters, even among Portland fans that watch him. Physically there's no doubt he's ready, but I've seen some comments from Portland fans that are critical of his decisions at times. The general consensus is yes though. Many thought he was NHL ready this year.

If he ended up with the Avs, I think we'd have to really see how he looks in camp, and the 10 game tryout to know for sure though. He may benefit from a little extra patience, you never know.
This scares the crap out of me

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This scares the crap out of me
It's hard to tell how accurate they are, or if the posters that made them know much about the game, or are just being uber critical with a 18 year old.

There were only a few, but they were overwhelmed by Portland fans that called them out for being too critical, and that he was a stud in the making. Some were critical of not hustling enough out there, but again the pro Jones posters were quick to point out that he almost always puts himself in good position, so he doesn't' have to run around out there.

I don't think there should be a great deal of concern, but as always with prospects, especially top three pick defenseman, you have to wonder where the balance between the haters, and the hype train is. That's the kind of thing only a true top NHL scout can do, and even they get it wrong all the time.

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03-19-2013, 11:46 PM
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This team is just too good to finish bottom 2.
And yet, there we are.

I'm honestly good with whoever we would pick if we got a top-3 pick.

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We can still tank for Jones. Don't stop believing in this. **** will get done with Sacco in charge.

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Way too early to start thinking about a top three pick. I don't think Avs will finish that low in the end. The team is reasonably healthy and won't be a big seller at deadline. I still think they'll pick closer to 10th than 1st.

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Way too early to start thinking about a top three pick. I don't think Avs will finish that low in the end. The team is reasonably healthy and won't be a big seller at deadline. I still think they'll pick closer to 10th than 1st.
You think they'll pick closer to 10th? They're in 29th place, with only 20 games to go and only two points ahead of 30th Florida. That's basically like being in 29th place at the trade deadline of a normal length season.

Maybe they'll prove their supreme hot/cold nature and turn it on here, but they've been healthy for a few games, and they've lost four in a row.


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I really hope Avs draft Drouin, even with Mackinnon on the board.

That being said, I wouldn't be upset with Jones being taken. I just think Avs are VERY thin at the wings in terms of elite offensive finishing/scoring prospects.

Never draft based on need but I can't help but think with siemens, elliot, barrie even beaupre coming up for defense and dutch/o'reilly taking up center duties you can't miss out on drafting Drouin.

He'd already be better than McGinn on Dutch's line.


Drouin - Duchene - Parenteau

Landeskog - O'Reilly - (downie, jones, Free agent, or player from Stastny trade)

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Jones isn't NHL ready imo. He'd be able to play in the NHL, but he wouldn't excel in the NHL. From what i've saw, Pouliot looks more NHL ready than him, and he's still not anywhere close to the Pens.

If we draft Jones, i'd rather him play one year in the WHL, one year in the AHL, and then bring him up. Maybe a few call ups, but don't keep him up until he's consistent to be a solid #2-3. I still think Drouin is going to be the best player from the draft. I also think with Portland losing a lot of key players in the next year, it would be a great experience for Jones to be their leader.

I really don't see us in 10th, i'd place money it's anywhere from 1-8. If we had a competent coach and had Barrie up, i'd have more faith. The way it stands? Nope.


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But some guy on twitter said that Jones is the next Lidstrom.

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I have bad feeling we will beat Dallas in the two games this week. Two losses would really solidify the tank.

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I'm fully on the Jones train now. Being drafted by the team that made you fall in love with hockey just feels like it NEEDS to happen. I can guarantee management and the scouts have him as their #1 and it would explain the tank. Similar to Duchene, the organisation wants another poster boy who will play his heart out for his childhood team.

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Draft Jones and let him develop. No rush. We'll probably be **** again next year and get another top 3 pick. The roster is overloaded with crap.

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Draft Jones and let him develop. No rush. We'll probably be **** again next year and get another top 3 pick. The roster is overloaded with crap.
Man, TPS you seem like you're in the same mood I am, a mood of "I won't be messed with today"....if that's the case I hope your day gets better, mine won't because I'm stuck at my POS job

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That run we went on in 2010 really screwed up the rebuild. We can't even tank properly.

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But some guy on twitter said that Jones is the next Lidstrom.
I don't think that's the right comparable. He's closer to a mix between EJ and Doughty in my opinion rather than a guy like Lidstrom.

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Draft Jones and let him develop. No rush. We'll probably be **** again next year and get another top 3 pick. The roster is overloaded with crap.
I don't necessarily agree. I think we could have a team that is capable of competing for the playoffs RIGHT NOW, under the right circumstances.

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I don't necessarily agree. I think we could have a team that is capable of competing for the playoffs RIGHT NOW, under the right circumstances.
Identify more than one defenseman on our entire roster that can consistently handle 18+ minutes without being a freaking nightmare. Maybe Hejda? It's impossible. They're all either immobile donkeys or clueless little-engines-that-couldn't.

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