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03-20-2013, 08:24 AM
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While I agree Pete would be "better" with a different partner, they really are the kinda' broadcast team that works great in Nashville and on TV. On TV we can all see the play, so when they "drift" it's not terrible. They bring a wealth of knowledge and communicate it well to new and developing fans. Terry is also "real" hockey - he has history, success, been involved at every level in developed and developing markets - he's authentic and a "legitimate" presence.

They're accessible to the fans - and that's still important to us here growing the fan base. Pete can talk ANY sport knowledgeably - and that's huge interacting with new fans who can't talk hockey very deeply yet.

For the more "experienced" fan, focus on the radio pair - we can listen to them during TV games if we want, they have to be good over the air. I only hear them on Willy's after-game show so I really can't say if they call a good game or not, but I might give them a spin for a few games just outta' curiosity.

P&T - for all their faults - still MUCH better than at least half the broadcast pairs out there, and as good or better than a lot of the other half, too.

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03-20-2013, 10:33 AM
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One clown's view.

After listening to the CBJ game and nearly throwing for 80 yards with my iPhone. I calmed down and played appropriate music to correspond with the Preds play.

As the calliope and circus music (Be a clown....Be a clown!)was playing I pulled up spreadsheets of Preds' contracts.

Fact is, it's not just the losses but how BAD the losses were. We have all seen the Preds lose a bad game and make the playoffs but losing 3 games in a row to EDM, CAL, and CBJ is inexcusable. EDM and CAL were games you SHOULD win and CBJ was a game you HAVE to win and the Preds did neither. (I told you guys CBJ was going to be good. I TOLD YOU! But would the arrogant assed bloggers listen? Nooooooo.....)

But that is the past let's go to the future. (Switches the soundtrack to Classical music, ahhhhhh Bolero.)

Here's my plan for the Preds.

Picks in the draft.


Nashville could use a 2nd. I would also love to see Nashville turn one of their 3rds into a 2nd along with gaining a 2nd.

Can Nashville pawn off Hal Gill to a team for a 2nd? In my eyes, Anaheim, Montreal, Pittsburgh, & NJ could use a bump in their PK's.

What I'd like to see: Gill to MTL for a 2nd. (hey, we took all your Kositisyns, you owe us!)

Now the elephant in the room, SK. I was listening on the radio the play and reading twitter saying to myself, "It can't be that bad." It was. He quit. Pure and simple. But the guy does have goal scoring and playmaking potential. Are there teams who believe they are the right place for a reclamation project? Of the playoff contenders; SJ, NYR, NJ, OTT, MIN have the lowest G/G. SK on a team coached by Torts? Wow, that could be entertainment. But I would not be surprised if he goes to....

SK to Ottawa.

Ottawa has had a metric ****ton of injuries. They need players and SK could fill their needs....

I have nothing against Hannan. He's been caught up in a ****storm of a bad season. Was he perfect, or hell no. But he's a UFA who could be pawned off as a playoff rental. Even a low pick, take it.

Yip has no value unless Edmonton makes a real run for the playoffs and they need grit.

Based on these moves Nashville should have the following.

6 D: Weber-Josi, Klein-Blum, Ellis-Bartley

11 F: -Fisher-Erat, Wilson-Legwand-Hornqvist, Bourque-Spaling-Smith, Bourque-Gaustad-Clune

1 G: Rinne

The only UFA I would sign is Mason.

Doing the math, 14 players are at a cap of 45,959,643. Minus SK and Gill, $40,959,643 and 12 players. This does not include the RFAs; Hornqvist, Spaling, Josi, Halischuk, Blum, Bartley.

I won't insult your intelligence by saying Boychuk and Butler are in the mix.

20 million for 10 players, 6 RFAs, 4 UFAs or draft picks or call ups.

Draft wise, Nashville needs to get in the top 9 to even have a consider having a player skate right into the line up. Top 7 makes it more than certain that the pick will be a forward. Winning the lottery would complicate things.

I'm going to say this right now; if the Preds manage to win the lottery, they will pick Jones and trade Weber for an ungodly amount of players. Fact: 70% of Weber's contract is paid for. He has a nearly 8 million dollar cap but because of the signing bonus, he has a 1 million dollar cash hit. I would NOT be surprised to see NYI offer a Tavares for Weber straight up. I am not joking. NYI cares more about max cap hit for little contract. Wang would squeal like a little girl at a Bieber concert to have that deal. Also it would be appropriate to punish Weber and his craptastic commercial skills by putting him in NYC.

Lot's of options and the future can be bright. (Starts humming 'The sun will come out tomorrow')

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03-20-2013, 10:58 AM
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WTH are you talking about? 70% of his contract isn't paid, only 28m of it is, he's do 13 signing bonus for the next 3 offseasons, so his cash payout is way more than 1m.

We cannot trade Weber after drafting Jones, even as good as he might be he's not going to be ready to replace Weber in year one or year 2 or year 3...

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03-20-2013, 11:05 AM
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WTH are you talking about? 70% of his contract isn't paid, only 28m of it is, he's do 13 signing bonus for the next 3 offseasons, so his cash payout is way more than 1m.

We cannot trade Weber after drafting Jones, even as good as he might be he's not going to be ready to replace Weber in year one or year 2 or year 3...
I agree but I assumed that Weber's signing bonus was lump sum paid?

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Weber is not going anywhere. It is known that Preds have had trouble getting players because of the unknown with the big 3. It is known now and we got 2. Build around Weber/Peks.
We already have some of the foundation.. Wilson, Josi, Borkie, Erat, Horny, Smith, Ellis, Blum, Klein
Get a legit top line center, another top dman., and shipping out SK and Legwand would be at the very top of my list.

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I agree but I assumed that Weber's signing bonus was lump sum paid?
nope and your trade thread on the main boards looks mighty foolish on top of it being bad business had we paid 70% of his SB.

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Weber was paid 28 mil last July with the remainder of the signing bonus to be paid this July. So rougnly 35 mil of the contract is paid before July. If the Preds we so inclined they could trade him before paying the second installment, its not likley to happen it is even less likley that they could find a trading partner that Weber would wavie his NTC. Someone indicataed the NYI as a possability. No way Weber would go for that, If Vancouver could manage his salary under the cap Im betting he would jump at that. It will have to be a team that is ready to make a run for the cup before he agrees. And Vancouver is logical and is close to home for him.

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03-20-2013, 12:44 PM
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Unless something has changed since this article from Cooper back in September, i don't think Weber has a choice... http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...act/57610386/1

But i don't think the Preds should or will send Weber anywhere. We finally have a couple of NHL top talent pieces to lure other top talent pieces in with. Wether that works into the system or into Poile/Trotz's strategy is a different matter!

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03-20-2013, 12:53 PM
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Weber was paid 28 mil last July with the remainder of the signing bonus to be paid this July. So rougnly 35 mil of the contract is paid before July. If the Preds we so inclined they could trade him before paying the second installment, its not likley to happen it is even less likley that they could find a trading partner that Weber would wavie his NTC. Someone indicataed the NYI as a possability. No way Weber would go for that, If Vancouver could manage his salary under the cap Im betting he would jump at that. It will have to be a team that is ready to make a run for the cup before he agrees. And Vancouver is logical and is close to home for him.
Weber doesnt have an NTC, we can trade him anywhere once he is eligible to be traded. But he wont be and it shouldn't be surprising.

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03-20-2013, 12:56 PM
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I thought his NTC from Philly didnt carryover with us matching.

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Weber was paid 28 mil last July with the remainder of the signing bonus to be paid this July. So rougnly 35 mil of the contract is paid before July. If the Preds we so inclined they could trade him before paying the second installment, its not likley to happen it is even less likley that they could find a trading partner that Weber would wavie his NTC. Someone indicataed the NYI as a possability. No way Weber would go for that, If Vancouver could manage his salary under the cap Im betting he would jump at that. It will have to be a team that is ready to make a run for the cup before he agrees. And Vancouver is logical and is close to home for him.
Incorrect, here's the actual breakdown.

He does not have a NTC

http://capgeek.com/player/1042


SEASON NHL SALARY S. BONUS CAP HIT
2012-13 $14,000,000 $13,000,000 $7,857,143
2013-14 $14,000,000 $13,000,000 $7,857,143
2014-15 $14,000,000 $13,000,000 $7,857,143
2015-16 $14,000,000 $13,000,000 $7,857,143
2016-17 $12,000,000 $8,000,000 $7,857,143
2017-18 $12,000,000 $8,000,000 $7,857,143
2018-19 $6,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
2019-20 $6,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
2020-21 $6,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
2021-22 $6,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
2022-23 $3,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
2023-24 $1,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
2024-25 $1,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
2025-26 $1,000,000 $0 $7,857,143

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Incorrect, here's the actual breakdown.

He does not have a NTC

http://capgeek.com/player/1042


SEASON NHL SALARY S. BONUS CAP HIT
2012-13 $14,000,000 $13,000,000 $7,857,143
2013-14 $14,000,000 $13,000,000 $7,857,143
2014-15 $14,000,000 $13,000,000 $7,857,143
2015-16 $14,000,000 $13,000,000 $7,857,143
2016-17 $12,000,000 $8,000,000 $7,857,143
2017-18 $12,000,000 $8,000,000 $7,857,143
2018-19 $6,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
2019-20 $6,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
2020-21 $6,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
2021-22 $6,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
2022-23 $3,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
2023-24 $1,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
2024-25 $1,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
2025-26 $1,000,000 $0 $7,857,143
If I am not wrong, the NHL salary includes the signing bonus. Otherwise the amounts are too high.

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If I am not wrong, the NHL salary includes the signing bonus. Otherwise the amounts are too high.
Yes, it includes signing bonus.

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Forget about trading Weber guys! We will build around Peks and Weber, even IF that means getting Seth Jones to pair with him. Problem with that is Josi is supposed to be our long term 1st pairing with Shea. Either way, we probably won't be in a position to draft Jones anyways so this is all a moot point.

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Draft Jones, still have the weakest stable of forwards in the league.

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Developing forwards is a problem. I say buy forwards in FA and draft D.

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Developing forwards is a problem. I say buy forwards in FA and draft D.
That's because we've only ever drafted three legitimate top six forwards: Alex Radulov, Scott Hartnell, and Colin Wilson

Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov and Monahan are about as can't-miss as it gets.

Draft Drouin, and we've got a Jonathan Toews to build around.

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That's because we've only ever drafted three legitimate top six forwards: Alex Radulov, Scott Hartnell, and Colin Wilson

Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov and Monahan are about as can't-miss as it gets.

Draft Drouin, and we've got a Jonathan Toews to build around.
I like Hunter Shinkaruk for some reason. Max Domi has the pedigree but he's dad was a fighter and he's a scorer.

If the Preds miss the playoffs get inside the top 10. Top 10 are the A players. Top 5 A+ players.

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I hate the misconception that we are bad at developing forwards. We have never had the homerun talent, but we are definately not some terrible team at developing top 6 forwards. We have Legwand, Wilson, Radulov, Hartnell, Hornqvist, and Erat all top 6 forwards all from our system.

Lets take Chicago for example they are dominating with a killer offense they must have many more top 6 forwards in the same time span,

Toews, Kane, Ruutu, and maybe Bollard and Brouwer if you really stretch the definition, thats it.

Pittsburgh - Crosby, Staal, Malkin, and Malone

The crazy thing is I went looking at teams who got top 6 forwards, and we are one of the better teams at developing forwards, especially since we didn't have number 1 picks like Chicago or Pittsburgh.

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I hate the misconception that we are bad at developing forwards. We have never had the homerun talent, but we are definately not some terrible team at developing top 6 forwards. We have Legwand, Wilson, Radulov, Hartnell, Hornqvist, and Erat all top 6 forwards all from our system.

Lets take Chicago for example they are dominating with a killer offense they must have many more top 6 forwards in the same time span,

Toews, Kane, Ruutu, and maybe Bollard and Brouwer if you really stretch the definition, thats it.

Pittsburgh - Crosby, Staal, Malkin, and Malone

The crazy thing is I went looking at teams who got top 6 forwards, and we are one of the better teams at developing forwards, especially since we didn't have number 1 picks like Chicago or Pittsburgh.
It's not so much an issue of development, it's the type of forwards we draft combined with expectations.

Austin Watson is a good recent example. His upside is essentially "solid offense, excellent defense. 20-25 goals"

Sound familiar? It's Mike Fisher.

Poile was once quoted as saying that they feel like you have to make your first round picks count. They have to play in the NHL, and as a result, he likes to play it safe. They try to take players they are certain will make the NHL with their early picks, even if it's not in the highest capacity. If you have player A...a guy that will play in the NHL, anywhere from line 2 to 4...or Player b, a guy that has a ton of skill, and will either play in the top two lines or not at all...Poile has historically taken player A, with only a few notable exceptions.

Remember this, if Poile comes up to draft at 10 and has a choice between Hunter Shinkaruk and Curtis Lazar.

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I hate the misconception that we are bad at developing forwards. We have never had the homerun talent, but we are definately not some terrible team at developing top 6 forwards. We have Legwand, Wilson, Radulov, Hartnell, Hornqvist, and Erat all top 6 forwards all from our system.

Lets take Chicago for example they are dominating with a killer offense they must have many more top 6 forwards in the same time span,

Toews, Kane, Ruutu, and maybe Bollard and Brouwer if you really stretch the definition, thats it.

Pittsburgh - Crosby, Staal, Malkin, and Malone

The crazy thing is I went looking at teams who got top 6 forwards, and we are one of the better teams at developing forwards, especially since we didn't have number 1 picks like Chicago or Pittsburgh.
Seriously?

How many times has a Nashville Predators' had a offensive player named to the AS game that we've drafted and developed? Hartnell was not a NP when he made and has performed much better since leaving this system.

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I hate the misconception that we are bad at developing forwards. We have never had the homerun talent, but we are definately not some terrible team at developing top 6 forwards. We have Legwand, Wilson, Radulov, Hartnell, Hornqvist, and Erat all top 6 forwards all from our system.

Lets take Chicago for example they are dominating with a killer offense they must have many more top 6 forwards in the same time span,

Toews, Kane, Ruutu, and maybe Bollard and Brouwer if you really stretch the definition, thats it.

Pittsburgh - Crosby, Staal, Malkin, and Malone

The crazy thing is I went looking at teams who got top 6 forwards, and we are one of the better teams at developing forwards, especially since we didn't have number 1 picks like Chicago or Pittsburgh.

Nashville has never developed players like Toews, Kane, Sharp, Malkin, or Crosby. The Preds have always had decent two-way forwards that can grind and contribute some scoring here and there. What they have never developed is that dynamic game-changing forward. Wilson, whom you name, is the team's leading scorer so far. But he sits 89th in the league. Our top offensive threat barely cracks the 100-mark.

Erat was the best forward last year, sat 63rd in the league. Erat again the year before, 95th in the league. Go back one more year and its Hornqvist sitting at 91st in the league.

The homegrown forwards always have fit the blue-collar approach Poile and Trotz adhere to. Top forwards in this league are in a complete class above any player Nashville has drafted.

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Remember this, if Poile comes up to draft at 10 and has a choice between Hunter Shinkaruk and Curtis Lazar.
If it's Lazar. *Insert tequilla shot here*

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Nashville has never developed players like Toews, Kane, Sharp, Malkin, or Crosby. The Preds have always had decent two-way forwards that can grind and contribute some scoring here and there. What they have never developed is that dynamic game-changing forward. Wilson, whom you name, is the team's leading scorer so far. But he sits 89th in the league. Our top offensive threat barely cracks the 100-mark.

Erat was the best forward last year, sat 63rd in the league. Erat again the year before, 95th in the league. Go back one more year and its Hornqvist sitting at 91st in the league.

The homegrown forwards always have fit the blue-collar approach Poile and Trotz adhere to. Top forwards in this league are in a complete class above any player Nashville has drafted.
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Poile was once quoted as saying that they feel like you have to make your first round picks count. They have to play in the NHL, and as a result, he likes to play it safe.
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Let's look at his 1st round picks.

David Legwand
Brian Finley Pretty bad
Scott Hartnell
Dan Hamhuis
Scottie Upshall - not so safe here
Ryan Suter
Alexander Radulov
Ryan Parent - Not so safe
Jonathon Blum
Colin Wilson
*Chet Pickard This is the worst of the bunch
Ryan Ellis
Austin Watson

4 out of 13 were straight bust, the book is still out on Blum, Ellis and Watson.

5 if you count Radulov. He was a known headcase. Poile took a chance it cost in the end.

So if only 6 of his 13 picks were good, is that good?

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