HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Detroit Red Wings
Notices

Trade Deadline: Who will we see in red?

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
03-20-2013, 04:12 PM
  #826
ChadS
Registered User
 
ChadS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: Finland
Posts: 2,695
vCash: 500
Continuing the post-season streak is the last thing management should be thinking about. That's the exact way how not to build the future of this organisation.

They need to understand that being a serious contender this year is clearly out of reach and the focus should be shifted to the long-term success of the Red Wings. The longer they think they can contend every year, the longer it will take them to actually be a serious contender again.

ChadS is offline  
Old
03-20-2013, 04:12 PM
  #827
Guru Meditation
Service Unavailable
 
Guru Meditation's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,008
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by r7carlson24 View Post
I don't have a huge issue trading prospects if the pipeline is as good as believed. There simply won't be enough room for all of our prospects assuming they pan out to be NHLers.
They won't. If even half pan out, we should be high fiving. Nobody's prospect pool is quite as good as you're describing.

Guru Meditation is offline  
Old
03-20-2013, 04:16 PM
  #828
RedWinger10
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Country: United States
Posts: 947
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiddington View Post
Mike Komisarek on waivers. go4itkenneh.

NO! NO! NO!

RedWinger10 is offline  
Old
03-20-2013, 04:22 PM
  #829
TatarTangle
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Detroit
Country: United States
Posts: 1,968
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guru Meditation View Post
They won't. If even half pan out, we should be high fiving. Nobody's prospect pool is quite as good as you're describing.
This. The Wings have bottom six depth in spades. The rest? Not so much outside of Sproul and Ouellet in the backend. Since a lottery pick isn't certain they either a) have to aquire someone at the deadline or b) hope they can snag Semin next year as a UFA. I don't think we'll be looking at a lottery pick until Datsyuk leaves. We thought losing Lidstrom was bad, wait until Datsyuk does. Team is going to be a one-trick pony.

TatarTangle is online now  
Old
03-20-2013, 04:42 PM
  #830
Number1RedWingsFan52
Registered User
 
Number1RedWingsFan52's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Winter Haven Florida
Country: United States
Posts: 5,187
vCash: 500
As a Wings fan I would'nt mind getting Drew Stafford for the Right price, Along with either Robyn Regehr, Jordon Leopold or even Smid. Regehr, Leopold or Smid would be solid for our Defence and Stafford could take over for Fillpula If he leaves before to long.

Number1RedWingsFan52 is offline  
Old
03-20-2013, 04:45 PM
  #831
The Zetterberg Era
Nyquist Explosion!
 
The Zetterberg Era's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Ft. Myers, FL
Country: United States
Posts: 17,200
vCash: 515
Quote:
Originally Posted by Number1RedWingsFan52 View Post
As a Wings fan I would'nt mind getting Drew Stafford for the Right price, Along with either Robyn Regehr, Jordon Leopold or even Smid. Regehr, Leopold or Smid would be solid for our Defence and Stafford could take over for Fillpula If he leaves before to long.
Stafford is really Johan Franzen with a little less talent and more streaky play. I wouldn't mind him if he is going for cheap, Pulkkinen and a midrounder, but not much else. He would become a guy our fanbase hunts especially after his first hot streak, everyone would wonder why that doesn't happen all the time.

Given what we endure if you like Franzen on this board, I cannot imagine what Stafford would be like around these parts, he even makes more than Franzen.

The Zetterberg Era is online now  
Old
03-20-2013, 04:54 PM
  #832
Number1RedWingsFan52
Registered User
 
Number1RedWingsFan52's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Winter Haven Florida
Country: United States
Posts: 5,187
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Zetterberg Era View Post
Stafford is really Johan Franzen with a little less talent and more streaky play. I wouldn't mind him if he is going for cheap, Pulkkinen and a midrounder, but not much else. He would become a guy our fanbase hunts especially after his first hot streak, everyone would wonder why that doesn't happen all the time.

Given what we endure if you like Franzen on this board, I cannot imagine what Stafford would be like around these parts, he even makes more than Franzen.
Your right actually both Filppula and Staffords career numbers are about the same In 6 years Filppula Is averaging 39 points a year with Detroit and Stafford Is averaging 41 points a year with Buffalo Stafford has about 20 more goals then Filppula Staffords best year Is 52 points and Filppulas 66 points. Yeah Stafford make a little we but more then Franzen Franzen make $3.95 million a year and Stafford make $4.0 million a year we shall see. I'm sure the Wings can do much better though.

Number1RedWingsFan52 is offline  
Old
03-20-2013, 04:58 PM
  #833
The Zetterberg Era
Nyquist Explosion!
 
The Zetterberg Era's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Ft. Myers, FL
Country: United States
Posts: 17,200
vCash: 515
Quote:
Originally Posted by Number1RedWingsFan52 View Post
Your right actually both Filppula and Staffords career numbers are about the same In 6 years Filppula Is averaging 39 points a year with Detroit and Stafford Is averaging 41 points a year with Buffalo Stafford has about 20 more goals then Filppula Staffords best year Is 52 points and Filppulas 66 points. Yeah Stafford make a little we but more then Franzen Franzen make $3.95 million a year and Stafford make $4.0 million a year we shall see. I'm sure the Wings can do much better though.
Wasn't comparing him to Filppula though. He is a streaky goal scorer that is big but doesn't always play as big as people want. When he gets hot he can carry a team and be completely unstoppable. Just think he is very similar to the Mule, actually part of the reason I like Stafford is for 4 million he is a guy that can flat out take you places when he is on and that is rare. But I just don't think this ends well, he will become a favorite target in these parts.

Will say this he has one of the better senses of humor in hockey, the Detroit media would love this guy.


The Zetterberg Era is online now  
Old
03-20-2013, 09:03 PM
  #834
sarcastro
Registered User
 
sarcastro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,245
vCash: 663
I like Flip a lot, but if there's one thing the Wings have a ton of it's guys that play a lot like Flip. Who don't cost $4-5 mil a year.

sarcastro is offline  
Old
03-20-2013, 09:13 PM
  #835
CloneHakanPlease*
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,097
vCash: 500
Edit: wrong thread.

Wouldn't mind trying to take a nab at Stafford though. His value will probably never be lower.

CloneHakanPlease* is offline  
Old
03-20-2013, 09:16 PM
  #836
BinCookin
Registered User
 
BinCookin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: London, ON
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,307
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by sarcastro View Post
I like Flip a lot, but if there's one thing the Wings have a ton of it's guys that play a lot like Flip. Who don't cost $4-5 mil a year.
4 is reasonable. 5 is not!

I really do not want to lose filpulla, hope he is reasonable.

BinCookin is offline  
Old
03-20-2013, 09:27 PM
  #837
Winger98
Moderator
powers combined
 
Winger98's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Cleveland
Posts: 13,703
vCash: 500
Send a message via Yahoo to Winger98
Quote:
Originally Posted by BinCookin View Post
4 is reasonable. 5 is not!

I really do not want to lose filpulla, hope he is reasonable.
I don't really want to lose Flip, either, but there could be a lot of guys who could produce at his level on the market this summer. If we're looking to replace his production, we could look at anyone from a list of:

Ribiero
Boyes
Weiss
Clarkson
Horton
Roy
Antropov

and the list could go on. I'd be perfectly content to hit UFA and go bargain shopping. Someone will fall through the cracks and be had for a reasonable deal.

__________________
blah, blah, blah
Winger98 is offline  
Old
03-20-2013, 09:27 PM
  #838
Number1RedWingsFan52
Registered User
 
Number1RedWingsFan52's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Winter Haven Florida
Country: United States
Posts: 5,187
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Zetterberg Era View Post
Wasn't comparing him to Filppula though. He is a streaky goal scorer that is big but doesn't always play as big as people want. When he gets hot he can carry a team and be completely unstoppable. Just think he is very similar to the Mule, actually part of the reason I like Stafford is for 4 million he is a guy that can flat out take you places when he is on and that is rare. But I just don't think this ends well, he will become a favorite target in these parts.

Will say this he has one of the better senses of humor in hockey, the Detroit media would love this guy.

I know you were'nt comparing Stafford with Filppula and all I'm saying Is that there numbers over there careers are Identical

Number1RedWingsFan52 is offline  
Old
03-20-2013, 09:38 PM
  #839
sarcastro
Registered User
 
sarcastro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,245
vCash: 663
Quote:
Originally Posted by BinCookin View Post
4 is reasonable. 5 is not!

I really do not want to lose filpulla, hope he is reasonable.
Reasonable or not, you have to admit that between Nyquist, Tatar, and Jarnkrok, there is probably at least one player that can give you 15-20 goals and 40-50 points next year.

I'm not advocating keeping cap space just for its own sake, but it's pretty clear that they can replace Flip's production and they would be better off investing in defense.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Winger98 View Post
I don't really want to lose Flip, either, but there could be a lot of guys who could produce at his level on the market this summer. If we're looking to replace his production, we could look at anyone from a list of:

Ribiero
Boyes
Weiss
Clarkson
Horton
Roy
Antropov

and the list could go on. I'd be perfectly content to hit UFA and go bargain shopping. Someone will fall through the cracks and be had for a reasonable deal.
I would personally be against signing any of those guys with the exception of Clarkson and maybe Horton.

Clarkson is precisely what the Wings need - a hard-nosed shooter and puncher who will do what needs to be done. Horton has a lot of potential but the injury bug may have taken its toll.

I'd rather overpay Clarkson than Flip, to be sure. As I said, I like Flip a lot but the Wings have a lot of Flips and not enough Clarksons. If they're going to spend on a forward, better that it be a guy like Clarkson.

I still think the defense needs a reboot. Out with White, CC, probably Q. In with Dekeyser and at least one other guy that knows how to play defensive zone hockey.

sarcastro is offline  
Old
03-20-2013, 10:18 PM
  #840
Winger98
Moderator
powers combined
 
Winger98's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Cleveland
Posts: 13,703
vCash: 500
Send a message via Yahoo to Winger98
Quote:
Originally Posted by sarcastro View Post
I would personally be against signing any of those guys with the exception of Clarkson and maybe Horton.

Clarkson is precisely what the Wings need - a hard-nosed shooter and puncher who will do what needs to be done. Horton has a lot of potential but the injury bug may have taken its toll.

I'd rather overpay Clarkson than Flip, to be sure. As I said, I like Flip a lot but the Wings have a lot of Flips and not enough Clarksons. If they're going to spend on a forward, better that it be a guy like Clarkson.

I still think the defense needs a reboot. Out with White, CC, probably Q. In with Dekeyser and at least one other guy that knows how to play defensive zone hockey.
With the forwards, I'm not overly for or against any of them. My first priority is seeing space for Nyquist, Tatar, and maybe Jarnkrok made for next year's team. After that, since I don't really see any of them as big difference makers, I'd be interested in the most cap friendly deal.

The one thing I can see shifting things is if Holland goes looking specifically for a center. With Helm's injury problems this year, and Datsyuk possibly leaving in a year, I wouldn't be surprised if we look to get a vet center to "stash" on the third line for a year, and to provide insurance as a top6 option for the first year or two if Datsyuk leaves.

Winger98 is offline  
Old
03-20-2013, 10:39 PM
  #841
RedWingsNow*
SaskatoonDeathSquad
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Ann Arbor
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,356
vCash: 500
Trade Cleary and a 2nd Tier Prospect for a defensive, right-handed defenseman. Even if he's a bit expensive.

RedWingsNow* is offline  
Old
03-20-2013, 10:41 PM
  #842
WingedWheel1987
Ken Holland's office
 
WingedWheel1987's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: GPP Michigan
Posts: 8,052
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedWingsNow View Post
Trade Cleary and a 2nd Tier Prospect for a defensive, right-handed defenseman. Even if he's a bit expensive.
Cleary wouldn't net you a right hand, let alone the body attached to it.

WingedWheel1987 is online now  
Old
03-20-2013, 10:53 PM
  #843
GT500x
Im OK where we're at
 
GT500x's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: My comfort zone
Country: United States
Posts: 2,663
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedWingsNow View Post
Trade Cleary and a 2nd Tier Prospect for a defensive, right-handed defenseman. Even if he's a bit expensive.


...I'm still not sure if that really says what I think it does.

The other GM would curse you out for trying to dump your trash on them and then they'd hang up the phone.

GT500x is offline  
Old
03-20-2013, 11:36 PM
  #844
LeighDx13
Registered User
 
LeighDx13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Hockeytown USA
Country: United States
Posts: 1,419
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by GT500x View Post


...I'm still not sure if that really says what I think it does.

The other GM would curse you out for trying to dump your trash on them and then they'd hang up the phone.

Tell Garth Snow that he can play goalie?

LeighDx13 is offline  
Old
03-21-2013, 12:27 AM
  #845
RedWingsNow*
SaskatoonDeathSquad
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Ann Arbor
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,356
vCash: 500
Could Robidas be the answer for the Red Wings?
http://www.redwingsnow.com/2012-13/c...swer-red-wings
He's slowed down. But he still does a lot of things pretty well. He hits(76). He Blocks Shots (56). He has 5 giveaways. he plays 22 minutes a night, including 2 minutes on the PP and 3+ on the PK.

I wonder if he'd be too expensive? I'd be willing to trade Lashoff and/or Andersson if they were willing to take on a Cleary

RedWingsNow* is offline  
Old
03-21-2013, 12:29 AM
  #846
aar000n
Registered User
 
aar000n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,947
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedWingsNow View Post
Trade Cleary and a 2nd Tier Prospect for a defensive, right-handed defenseman. Even if he's a bit expensive.
Or we could ask for chara

aar000n is offline  
Old
03-21-2013, 12:32 AM
  #847
RedWingsNow*
SaskatoonDeathSquad
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Ann Arbor
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,356
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by aar000n View Post
Or we could ask for chara
Are you saying a 36-year-old Robidas would cost more than Cleary + Lashoff/Andersson and a 3rd?

RedWingsNow* is offline  
Old
03-21-2013, 01:25 AM
  #848
RedWinger10
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Country: United States
Posts: 947
vCash: 500
I'd like to see them go after Marian Gaborik ,Drew Stafford, Alexander Semin, or Bobby Ryan. 1 or 2 of these guys would be fantastic and make us a lot deeper. We have guys we can get rid of to make room (Cleary, Bertuzzi, Sammy, Eaves, Miller, Emmerton...) I wouldn't be upset to see a prospect or two and or a pick or two to land a big producing forward or two like these.

RedWinger10 is offline  
Old
03-21-2013, 02:49 AM
  #849
RedWingsNow*
SaskatoonDeathSquad
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Ann Arbor
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,356
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedWinger10 View Post
I'd like to see them go after Marian Gaborik ,Drew Stafford, Alexander Semin, or Bobby Ryan. 1 or 2 of these guys would be fantastic and make us a lot deeper. We have guys we can get rid of to make room (Cleary, Bertuzzi, Sammy, Eaves, Miller, Emmerton...) I wouldn't be upset to see a prospect or two and or a pick or two to land a big producing forward or two like these.
Semin is a UFA who currently makes $7.6M a year. Why would Carolina move him anyway? They're in the thick of the playoff race and just two points out of the division lead.

Ryan...Lordy. He's only 26. He's a big, talented forward with 4 straight 30+ goal seasons to his name. It's hard to imagine that we have the bluechip prospect we'd need to trade for him.

Now Gaborik... I can see. He's only 31. He's super expensive and the Rangers are going to need to cut salary.

On the other hand, he's 31--and if we have to trade Tatar and Sproul... I for a guy who's 31...that's a big price, considering the age of the rest of our better players.

I'd consider trading Franzen + Andersson or Aubrey and a 2nd for Gaborik. But even then, while Gaborik makes us better than Franzen, IMO, Gaborik costs $7.5M

So essentially, he costs us Franzen + Flip.


Stafford? They should give this guy away after his last couple years. I'd take him -- but only if we shipped out a forward from our roster.

RedWingsNow* is offline  
Old
03-21-2013, 03:04 AM
  #850
Kiddington
heehats
 
Kiddington's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Reno, NV
Country: Russian Federation
Posts: 1,764
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedWinger10 View Post
NO! NO! NO!
Silly me; this is the internet, and sarcasm doesn't radiate for most.

Kiddington is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:53 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.