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03-19-2013, 05:45 PM
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I don't get how everyone is after the forwards.
We need help at the blueline so bad, would take Jones without thinking twice.

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I don't get how everyone is after the forwards.
We need help at the blueline so bad, would take Jones without thinking twice.
Yea, because we have plenty of scorers on the team and in the pipeline.

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03-19-2013, 06:02 PM
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I don't get how everyone is after the forwards.
We need help at the blueline so bad, would take Jones without thinking twice.
Absolutely no way. Pysyk, McNabb, JGL, McCabe are great for the defensive pipeline.

We need scorers badly because all we have is Grigorenko and Armia for that category.

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03-19-2013, 06:10 PM
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I don't get how everyone is after the forwards.
We need help at the blueline so bad, would take Jones without thinking twice.
Stamkos > Doughty
Tavares > Hedman
Toews > Johnson

The elite forward almost always turns out better than the elite D of the draft

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03-19-2013, 06:38 PM
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I don't get how everyone is after the forwards.
We need help at the blueline so bad, would take Jones without thinking twice.
I don't think Jones is a bad pick by any rate, but the Sabres needs elite talent whatever the position. Should be a BPA draft.

Forward we only have Grigorenko, Girgensons, and Armia as blue chip prospects. We have more depth guys (Flynn, Catenacci, Sundher, Adam, etc.) but we lack top line talent.

D we only have Pysyk and arguably McCabe. Again, lots of depth guys, but top liners are short.

G we have Makarov, Ullstrom, Knapp, Lieuwen. The first two have promise, the latter two don't look as promising as they used to.

We need top notch talent at every position. Need should not play a role in this year's draft. In past years we had a surplus of potential NHLers at one position but not another (i.e. center), so it made sense to go center heavy. But this year we don't need to stock one specific position, we just need an impact player regardless of position--the need in terms of numbers is not that great.

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03-19-2013, 06:52 PM
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I don't think Jones is a bad pick by any rate, but the Sabres needs elite talent whatever the position. Should be a BPA draft.
BPA is still Jones in most of the rankings.

We need talent everywhere, but we have arguably an elite goalie in Miller and an elite scorer in Vanek.

We are playing guys that should be bottom pairing defensemen in the top 4 for years, Montador, Morrisson, Leopold I'm sick of this, we need a stud to get Myers going.

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03-19-2013, 07:28 PM
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Stamkos > Doughty
Tavares > Hedman
Toews > Johnson

The elite forward almost always turns out better than the elite D of the draft
agreed, I feel like defense are easier to grab in Free agency as well

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03-19-2013, 07:42 PM
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BPA is still Jones in most of the rankings.

We need talent everywhere, but we have arguably an elite goalie in Miller and an elite scorer in Vanek.

We are playing guys that should be bottom pairing defensemen in the top 4 for years, Montador, Morrisson, Leopold I'm sick of this, we need a stud to get Myers going.
It also asks longer for D to develope. We need help now. I don't want to draft a d, even if blue chip that won't be ready until 2014-15.

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03-20-2013, 10:44 AM
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Frederik Gauthier (C/W, 2013), Rimouski via McKeen's:
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A potential power pivot given his size and physical approach .. uses size assertively to create initial space, slight shoulder nudges to knock an opponent off course .. boasts smooth skating mechanics and excellent lateral mobility for his size .. light and agile able to reverse directions with speed and fluidity .. boasts a terrific top gear, but can still add power to a stride that already has good length, flexibility, and thrust .. needs to work on his skating quickness and acceleration .. developing strength and building muscle mass will fill in the pieces here .. his frame is still rangy and relatively thinnish with plenty of muscle potential .. notably talented with his feet and accentuated by excellent foot-eye co-ordination proactively moves his feet in order to block passes or make plays .. remarkably co-ordinated on his feet for such a big man .. exhibits decent skill and control with the end of his blade able to deliver sharp passes using the tip of blade at full stretch .. could be a more assertive shooter .. excels defensively and distinguishes himself killing penalties .. demonstrates tremendous stamina able to sustain a high work rate through a full two-minute shift in his own end and still have some jump left at the end .. could be killing penalties in the NHL within a couple of years .. works diligently to get back in proper lanes and close gas on his checks .. can engulf opponents with an imposing gull-like wingspan .. decent playmaker moves the puck with confidence and skill in open ice but will require work on his puckhandling in tighter quarters and heavier traffic .. can struggle with control at times and also shows limits in his ability to sense stick pressure .. gaps close on him .. must work on refining his play selection and puckmoving decisions .. makes blind passes to areas rather than to specific targets .. seems to miss some field of vision at times .. tends to fixate and gravitate to the puck in pursuit situations and will waste energy on fruitless routes.
His latest measurements are: 6'5" 210.

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03-20-2013, 12:05 PM
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Frederik Gauthier (C/W, 2013), Rimouski via McKeen's:

His latest measurements are: 6'5" 210.
Would look great with Grig and Cody as a third liner in the future.

I still think were not in the top 3 and we draft Barkov. Leino-Barkov-Armia

My dream is to get 2-3 1st rounders somehow get Drouin with our pick (hoping we get top 3), get Erne, and a defenseman that drops maybe Ristolainen, Morrissey etc., With our 2nd round pick we take Hartman and with our 3rd round pick we select Sorensen

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03-20-2013, 12:18 PM
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I'm really hoping we acquire another 1st rounder. I'd like Drouin and Nurse.

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03-20-2013, 12:24 PM
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Would look great with Grig and Cody as a third liner in the future.

I still think were not in the top 3 and we draft Barkov. Leino-Barkov-Armia

My dream is to get 2-3 1st rounders somehow get Drouin with our pick (hoping we get top 3), get Erne, and a defenseman that drops maybe Ristolainen, Morrissey etc., With our 2nd round pick we take Hartman and with our 3rd round pick we select Sorensen
No chance for that dream.

Drouin is a top 3 pick. Erne will go top 15 for sure, Ristolainen should go in the 8-13 range and Morrissey will also probably go in the 10-17 range. I feel Hartman will go late 1st, in 22-30 range, and Sorensen is a early/mid 2nd Round Pick and wouldn't last till the 3rd Round. If we manage to trade for 1st this year, they will most likely be in the 20s. So say we luck out and finish with a top 3 pick, and trade for 2 more 1st's in the 20s. Realistically, you're probably looking at a draft of Drouin, Lazar, Hartman. Then a D in Round 2 between Bowey, Morin, McCoshen, Mueller, and Theodore. And there's nothing wrong with that, that would actually be a very good draft.

Sorry to kill the dream

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03-20-2013, 01:05 PM
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No chance for that dream.

Drouin is a top 3 pick. Erne will go top 15 for sure, Ristolainen should go in the 8-13 range and Morrissey will also probably go in the 10-17 range. I feel Hartman will go late 1st, in 22-30 range, and Sorensen is a early/mid 2nd Round Pick and wouldn't last till the 3rd Round. If we manage to trade for 1st this year, they will most likely be in the 20s. So say we luck out and finish with a top 3 pick, and trade for 2 more 1st's in the 20s. Realistically, you're probably looking at a draft of Drouin, Lazar, Hartman. Then a D in Round 2 between Bowey, Morin, McCoshen, Mueller, and Theodore. And there's nothing wrong with that, that would actually be a very good draft.

Sorry to kill the dream
I do not disagree with that but you filled in on my point. Grab BPA forward at 4-6 pick wherever we are. Grab another, and for D guys, I was using those 2 as examples players always fall, I would be happy with Mueller.

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03-20-2013, 04:51 PM
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Almost forgot the 4th round pick we traded with Gaustad is for this years draft and not last years.Still a great move, our 4th round pick will most likely be ~#125th overall, so Paul Gaustad essentially moved us up 100 spots.I have to give credit to Darcy for that trade, I am still shocked over a year later that he actually got a 1st round draft choice for Paul Gaustad, who has 1 goal in his 33 games going back to last season as a Pred. It's just a shame more of these trades don't happen to often for Darcy. (Hodgson trade not withstanding )

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03-20-2013, 04:59 PM
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Assuming we have the 7th pick and the draft goes as follows, who do you take?

MacKinnon
Jones
Drouin
Barkov
Lindholm
Monahan
?????????

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03-20-2013, 05:21 PM
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Assuming we have the 7th pick and the draft goes as follows, who do you take?

MacKinnon
Jones
Drouin
Barkov
Lindholm
Monahan
?????????
DON'T SPEAK SUCH BLASPHEMY, MACKINNON IS OURS.

Hypothetically I'm leaning towards Nurse, Shinkaruk seems like too much of the same here. Perhaps Mantha?

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03-20-2013, 06:36 PM
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DON'T SPEAK SUCH BLASPHEMY, MACKINNON IS OURS.

Hypothetically I'm leaning towards Nurse, Shinkaruk seems like too much of the same here. Perhaps Mantha?
Nurse and Mantha are solid choices.

Is it too soon to take Erne at 7? Maybe trade down with someone who has a pick 9-12 that wants Nurse/Shinkaruk at 7 and get even more picks.

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Nurse and Mantha are solid choices.

Is it too soon to take Erne at 7? Maybe trade down with someone who has a pick 9-12 that wants Nurse/Shinkaruk at 7 and get even more picks.
I would absolutely hate to trade down, I take Nurse, Ristalainen, Shinkaruk before moving back for a guy like Erne.

If this is the case we need to be trying to move up as we need high end talent.

My guess is a team will take someone higher than they are ranked and that one of the top 6 would fall.

It would be such a disappointment to be 3rd last with 18 games left and not come out with an elite prospect.

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03-20-2013, 06:48 PM
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I would absolutely hate to trade down, I take Nurse, Ristalainen, Shinkaruk before moving back for a guy like Erne.

If this is the case we need to be trying to move up as we need high end talent.

My guess is a team will take someone higher than they are ranked and that one of the top 6 would fall.

It would be such a disappointment to be 3rd last with 18 games left and not come out with an elite prospect.
I suppose, I just like Erne more than Shinkaruk. Shinkaruk is probably the better scorer, but Erne brings that with physicality.

It would be a treat to win the lottery too, boy that would be a great feeling.

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03-20-2013, 06:50 PM
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Assuming we have the 7th pick and the draft goes as follows, who do you take?

MacKinnon
Jones
Drouin
Barkov
Lindholm
Monahan
?????????
Try to trade up 1-3 spots. If not possible I'd be OK with taking Nurse at that point or maybe Shinkaruk? I haven't been following him much lately.

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03-20-2013, 07:06 PM
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I would absolutely hate to trade down, I take Nurse, Ristalainen, Shinkaruk before moving back for a guy like Erne.

If this is the case we need to be trying to move up as we need high end talent.

My guess is a team will take someone higher than they are ranked and that one of the top 6 would fall.

It would be such a disappointment to be 3rd last with 18 games left and not come out with an elite prospect.
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I suppose, I just like Erne more than Shinkaruk. Shinkaruk is probably the better scorer, but Erne brings that with physicality.

It would be a treat to win the lottery too, boy that would be a great feeling.
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Try to trade up 1-3 spots. If not possible I'd be OK with taking Nurse at that point or maybe Shinkaruk? I haven't been following him much lately.
Don't fret people, we will be getting MACKINNON!!!

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03-20-2013, 07:34 PM
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Assuming we have the 7th pick and the draft goes as follows, who do you take?

MacKinnon
Jones
Drouin
Barkov
Lindholm
Monahan
?????????
Nichushkin

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Risky though.

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Zadarov.

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Zadarov.
another solid option

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