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03-20-2013, 04:13 PM
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And what constitutes "giving a damn"? Hitting someone? Yelling? Elbowing someone in the head? Who keeps their head up as the walk to the dressing room after losing? Please, you have no grounds for this team being any different than any other team.

So you know that they've changed since then, but I can't? Seems like quite the double standard. I'm putting out a HISTORIC comeback, IN THE PLAYOFFS, but no, that doesn't mean anything?
Someone who hasn't accepted defeat and would rather die fighting than wither away into a shell of what they once were.

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03-20-2013, 04:16 PM
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I think the "core" has been fine, the surrounding cast of bottom 6 forwards and 4-6 Dmen has been quite bad for many years.

The D is sorted out now, but the bottom 6 is still laughably bad.

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03-20-2013, 04:18 PM
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Someone who hasn't accepted defeat and would rather die fighting than wither away into a shell of what they once were.
You clearly are intimately familiar with the behaviors of not only the Sharks but also every other team around the league, so I'll take your word on this matter.

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03-20-2013, 04:23 PM
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You clearly are intimately familiar with the behaviors of not only the Sharks but also every other team around the league, so I'll take your word on this matter.
Platitudes for the win eh.

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03-20-2013, 04:23 PM
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Someone who hasn't accepted defeat and would rather die fighting than wither away into a shell of what they once were.
come on. Putting your head down in defeat doesn't mean anything.

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03-20-2013, 04:25 PM
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Someone who hasn't accepted defeat and would rather die fighting than wither away into a shell of what they once were.
How is this something we could possibly know? It's like people blaming Marleau for not showing his emotions. Some people just don't show their emotions in public easily and that also doesn't mean that they don't leave it all on the ice. For all we know, they rage in the locker room. It's not something that's easy to know.

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03-20-2013, 04:36 PM
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So I guess if the Sharks started pointless fights late in games means they care? Why not come out with that kind of energy.

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03-20-2013, 04:43 PM
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This is Grit:


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03-20-2013, 04:45 PM
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This is Grit:

Seriously, yes.

Remember when Semin slew-foot Boyle in the Olympics? Boyle slew-foot him right back.

Would Thornton have? Would Marleau have?

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Seriously, yes.

Remember when Semin slew-foot Boyle in the Olympics? Boyle slew-foot him right back.

Would Thornton have? Would Marleau have?
so you really are talking about dirty plays, you are completely lost at what grit actually is.

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I thought this was grit.




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03-20-2013, 04:49 PM
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Seriously, yes.

Remember when Semin slew-foot Boyle in the Olympics? Boyle slew-foot him right back.

Would Thornton have? Would Marleau have?
Semin hit Boyle into the boards and Boyle then slew footed him. Joe Thornton speared Jamie Benn after being speared then they fought a few weeks ago.

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03-20-2013, 04:52 PM
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Oh ok so all this team needs is some dirty players. Got it.

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so you really are talking about dirty plays, you are completely lost at what grit actually is.
"Dirty's" definition has moved a lot. Catching a guy with his head down is now illegal!

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Does the core lack some intangible and undefinable vaporous attribute that is somehow attributed to winning even though no one can actually define it in the first place?

Grit is such a garbage term, it's almost completely meaningless and some of the best players in history have 'lacked' it.
If I could get HFBoards to ban 'grit' and 'heart' as foul words I would. Takes any reasonable discussion and flushes it down the toilet as soon as either of those words come into play.
Which players are these?

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03-20-2013, 05:19 PM
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Which players are these?
Gretzky would probably be the obvious one.

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03-20-2013, 05:24 PM
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"Dirty's" definition has moved a lot. Catching a guy with his head down is now illegal!
Other then that being incorrect, your making sense....

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03-20-2013, 05:41 PM
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"Dirty's" definition has moved a lot. Catching a guy with his head down is now illegal!
yes because your own example of boyle slew footing semin is legal, my god just give it up already.

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03-20-2013, 06:03 PM
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Ben Eager had grit

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03-20-2013, 07:08 PM
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Gretzky would probably be the obvious one.
Gretzky actually had quite a bit of sandpaper to his game...he just solely relied on stick slashes and hacks instead of elbows and hitting.

Moreover, even if Gretzky was a total pansy, he was also a generational talent. When Thornton can score 160+ points, then he can be as soft as a piece of toilet paper.

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03-20-2013, 07:10 PM
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yes because your own example of boyle slew footing semin is legal, my god just give it up already.
Fighting is also illegal...which is why a 5 minute penalty is handed out for it. Doesn't meant it shouldn't be done at times.

What Boyle did, IMO, shows something about his character. His willingness to engage physically, the seriousness with which he takes his game, etc.

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03-20-2013, 07:14 PM
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I don't know about grit but they sure lack goal scoring.

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Fighting is also illegal...which is why a 5 minute penalty is handed out for it. Doesn't meant it shouldn't be done at times.

What Boyle did, IMO, shows something about his character. His willingness to engage physically, the seriousness with which he takes his game, etc.
Boyle just talks big but Thornton emits such a burning manly spirit that it makes Apollo weep with joy and causes titans to kneel in awe. So idk where you're getting all of this Thornton doesn't have grit from. Watch the game bro.

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03-20-2013, 07:20 PM
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Look at the recent SC champions. Anaheim had Perry, Getzlaf, and Pronger. The Red Wings had it in Holmstrom and Clearly. The Penguins had Crosby, Staal, and Orpik. The Hawks had Kane, Toews, and Keith. The Bruins had Krejci, Marchand, and Chara. Lastly, the Kings had it in Richards, Penner, and Brown...

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Some of these examples arent very good. Holmstrom and Clearly are gritty guys but they were just good depth players. The guys driving the bus: Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Datsyuk arent really gritty but they know that come playoff time they have to be the best players every night, no excuses. Which cant be said for Thornton, Marleau and other key Sharks players over the years.

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03-20-2013, 07:21 PM
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Gretzky and Lidstrom were the two that came to mind immediately. But again, since 'grit' is such a meaningless term I'm sure you can find some way to define it that fits those two.

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