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03-20-2013, 05:08 PM
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I'm willing to bet it's gonna be $6 mil for Marleau and Thornton and $5 for Boyle. Don't really know what the terms would be like though.
Ouch! 26% of your payroll to three 35+ players.

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03-20-2013, 05:11 PM
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All 3 of these guys genuinely seem to want to be in San Jose more than they want a huge pay day. They have plenty of huge pay days already. I don't see any of them walking in free agency barring a massive offer from another team or the Sharks ultra low-balling them.

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I'm willing to bet it's gonna be $6 mil for Marleau and Thornton and $5 for Boyle. Don't really know what the terms would be like though.
boyle is as good as gone when his contract comes up (if he even makes it that far as a shark). he will be 38 by the time his new contract comes.

and then i also believe 1 of marleau and thornton won't be here, if they are still both producing like they are right now.

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Ouch! 26% of your payroll to three 35+ players.
You realize that Timonen is still making $6 mil?

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Ouch! 26% of your payroll to three 35+ players.
For Marleau, Thornton and Boyle. Hardly just run of the mill "35+" players, Thornton especially.

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03-20-2013, 05:17 PM
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Thornton, Marleau and Boyle just seem like the type of players that have a good 4-5 more years of hockey in them. If we get Thornton for 6m, Marleau for 6m, and Boyle for 5.5m I would do it.

With the extra 3m we could pick up a great 3rd liner.

Hopefully we'll be filling our bottom 6 with "homegrown" players whose cap hits are low anyway.

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You realize that Timonen is still making $6 mil?
Yes, but ask the Flyers how they are doing with PMD's in their organization.

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Thornton, Marleau and Boyle just seem like the type of players that have a good 4-5 more years of hockey in them. If we get Thornton for 6m, Marleau for 6m, and Boyle for 5.5m I would do it.

With the extra 3m we could pick up a great 3rd liner.

Hopefully we'll be filling our bottom 6 with "homegrown" players whose cap hits are low anyway.
We say that every year and Doug over pays some scrub.

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We say that every year and Doug over pays some scrub.
DW is going to be our GM next year ?

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DW is going to be our GM next year ?
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DW is going to be our GM next year ?
Hasso answers to Wilson, so yes he will be.

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We say that every year and Doug over pays some scrub.
Irks me that Burish is making the same money as Winnik.

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I've never been good with the whole contract thing, but my gut tells me that Thornton and Marleau both want to retire as Sharks—and they would like to win a cup before that happens. I believe that both of them would take a considerable contract reduction in order to boost the possibility of doing just that.

I feel the same way about Boyle, but much there's a much higher chance of him leaving to a top team (or traded, obviously).

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I've never been good with the whole contract thing, but my gut tells me that Thornton and Marleau both want to retire as Sharks—and they would like to win a cup before that happens. I believe that both of them would take a considerable contract reduction in order to boost the possibility of doing just that.

I feel the same way about Boyle, but much there's a much higher chance of him leaving to a top team (or traded, obviously).
thornton doing the 6-5-4 contract, would be a 2 mil reduction in pay. and would also set up a next shorter term contact for under 4 mil if he was still able to play after 38.

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I honestly think Patty will finish his career in teal, and I think he will make his contract decisions with that in mind . At this point he has played his entire career here, his wife and in laws are here, his children have grown up here, etc. I think he will continue to be a productive player for several years, and he has a knack for staying healthy, which is normally what scares me with older vets. I see him taking a discount to stay here and developing into a secondary role, which would probably serve to make a lot of fans happy.

I think Jumbo is here to stay, but I see him retiring as a top guy rather than stepping back. I could be wrong on that, but I see him as the guy who will step down from the top before he's relegated too far down. But, I think he wants to win a cup badly enough to make sure his contract won't hinder the teams ability to compete, especially if it frees up room for him to get a solid rw.

I believe Boyle when he says he wants to stay here, but I'm not confident the org is as committed to him as they are to 12 and 19. I don't think he would take as much of a discount to stay, but if he leaves he strikes me as the guy who seeks top dollar for the rest of his remaining career. Not that I blame him for that at all, btw.

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On contracts, if the birthday is after the contract becomes active the contract is NOT 35+. Even if the player is 35 when actually playing in the first year of the contract. Both JT and PM will be on under 35 contracts when they sign their next contracts.

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03-20-2013, 06:16 PM
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The problem will occur if Thornton, Marleau, and Boyle continue to not regress.

Then, how can you justify sitting them for an inferior, albeit younger, player? After all, NHL teams are in it to win.

Then, the team will have to let the older players walk.

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The problem will occur if Thornton, Marleau, and Boyle continue to not regress.

Then, how can you justify sitting them for an inferior, albeit younger, player? After all, NHL teams are in it to win.

Then, the team will have to let the older players walk.
Wait....what? I don't...

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I'd give Thornton a blank check and tell him to name his price while telling him everyone in the org wants him to retire in teal and they'll put in whatever contract clause he wants in order to help make that happen.

Then play super hardball with Marleau and bully him into a 3-4 contract which pays him 3M or less per year, and then try the same with Boyle.

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Ouch! 26% of your payroll to three 35+ players.
Yes, let's dump them in favor of a slew of unproven prospects. I'm glad you aren't making the decisions for the team.

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Especially if he remains steady at approx. a point per game.
exactly...the guy is one of the top producers since the lockout..he may, however give SJ a break HTD...depends on what marloo wants though..

if you want perspective..take a look at the SJ All-Time points leaders and the time it took to get there..

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On contracts, if the birthday is after the contract becomes active the contract is NOT 35+. Even if the player is 35 when actually playing in the first year of the contract. Both JT and PM will be on under 35 contracts when they sign their next contracts.
Exactly why I think we do resign them both to 3 year extensions.

The poster that was hoping Thornton goes 6-5-4, I think that would be AWESOME, but unlikely. I do think his first year would be 6, and then probably 6-5 for a 5.66 hit (best case scenario). Marleau maybe the same, both full NMC. Boyle may go as low as 5 if we give him a full NMC.

On Timonen, 6 was under old cap. With the reduction next year, he would not have gotten 6.

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Exactly why I think we do resign them both to 3 year extensions.

The poster that was hoping Thornton goes 6-5-4, I think that would be AWESOME, but unlikely. I do think his first year would be 6, and then probably 6-5 for a 5.66 hit (best case scenario). Marleau maybe the same, both full NMC. Boyle may go as low as 5 if we give him a full NMC.

On Timonen, 6 was under old cap. With the reduction next year, he would not have gotten 6.
He got an extension for $6 mil for next year.

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If Boyle doesn't hold enough trade value that he can't pull a good young speedy forward then I'd keep him. I would keep Marleau without any hesitation so long as he's not making more than 6-6.5 mil at the most. I would not keep Thornton...under any circumstances.

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Wait....what? I don't...
What's not clear?

I am saying that it makes sense for JT, Marleau, and Boyle to take secondary roles if they actually decline.

But if they don't decline, and you are committed to continuing with a younger group (that is less talented), then you have to let the older players go.

Thornton's style usually improves with age. I'd have thought that Boyle would decline, but he does have less-wear-and-tear on his body and is going strong at 37.

I'd have thought Marleau will decline, but Boyle's perseverance has surprised me.

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