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03-20-2013, 10:00 PM
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I would not mind Brandon Gormley back in a deal with the Yotes ...even if we needed to make the deal bigger . Kid is going to be a real good one and also the reason Yotes are shopping Yandle . These guys have to be obtained before they play in the NHL...like McDonagh was .
I'd love to get Gormley. Although I'm still wondering where the idea of trading with Phoenix came from. I mean I know Don Maloney loves to help us out, but...

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A lot of who is available is dependent on how teams play up until the deadline. If Vancouver has problems scoring will they move Kassian +? Same for LA? Detroit? PHX?
Just watched some footage from the Nucks/Stl game. Sestito took a run at Jackman. Next face off Kassian and Stewart had a go. Good tilt.

Guys like both Kassian and Stewart are hybrids. Good enough to play top 6. Physical drought to impose on other clubs top forwards.

Playing the Devils in a 7 game series would be very entertaining if Kassian was playing against Clarkson.
". " Flyers in a 7 game series would be very entertaining if Stewart was playing against Hartnett

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Just watched some footage from the Nucks/Stl game. Sestito took a run at Jackman. Next face off Kassian and Stewart had a go. Good tilt.

Guys like both Kassian and Stewart are hybrids. Good enough to play top 6. Physical drought to impose on other clubs top forwards.

Playing the Devils in a 7 game series would be very entertaining if Kassian was playing against Clarkson.
". " Flyers in a 7 game series would be very entertaining if Stewart was playing against Hartnett
I am not going to hide my love for power forwards. Kassian, Hartnell, Wimmonds, Lucic, Clarkson, Perry, Getzlaf, E. Staal, Kane, etc.

I think having a player like that is a HUGE positive to your team. Of course Philly has a few which sucks. Over a long series they are very difficult to contain and play against on a nightly basis because they can hurt you both physically and on the score board.

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I am not going to hide my love for power forwards. Kassian, Hartnell, Wimmonds, Lucic, Clarkson, Perry, Getzlaf, E. Staal, Kane, etc.

I think having a player like that is a HUGE positive to your team. Of course Philly has a few which sucks. Over a long series they are very difficult to contain and play against on a nightly basis because they can hurt you both physically and on the score board.
Totally agree.

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I am not going to hide my love for power forwards. Kassian, Hartnell, Wimmonds, Lucic, Clarkson, Perry, Getzlaf, E. Staal, Kane, etc.

I think having a player like that is a HUGE positive to your team. Of course Philly has a few which sucks. Over a long series they are very difficult to contain and play against on a nightly basis because they can hurt you both physically and on the score board.
Be careful, though. Getzlaf is a cut above the rest of these players. He's not just a power forward; he's a terrific playmaker. When he's on his game, he's one of the top 10 players in the league. Guys like him and Lindros are the ultimate power forward.

Power forwards are terrific assets to have, but the problem with most of them is they tend to be inefficient. A lot of shots, a lot of penalty minutes. PFs have drawbacks, and no team is going to win if their best players are these guys (unless you're talking about the elite playmaking type, like Getz and Lindros).

Most power forwards are ideally your complimentary players. Your #2 or #3 options on offense. If you sacrifice a lot to get a power forward through salary or trade (like, say the Rangers overpaid to get Nash, who is surely one of the best power forwards in the league, but he's not on the level of a Getzlaf), you have a problem. Eric Staal is overpaid, IMO. I know he's having a great season, but he's not a consistent superstar, yet he's paid like he's one of the best. Rick Nash, same thing. You put yourself in a less than desirable position sacrificing a large portion of your cap to players who ultimately are not the most important piece of the puzzle. Your top line playmaker (usually center) has to be the number one offensive player on your team, even if he isn't the top pointgetter.

In many ways, power forwards are about as valuable as one-dimensional snipers like Gaborik. They can't be the guy on your team that carries the puck the most.

The Rangers will go as far as Brad Richards' play ultimately takes them. It's imperative for him to start playing better, as it's unrealistic to expect Stepan to maintain his current form for the rest of the season (hopefully he does, though). Richards has to be the key, because Nash and/or Gaborik are a lot better depending on how well Richards plays.

The thing about all this trade talk is that it doesn't mean diddly squat unless Richards picks up his game. It'd be nice to fill the holes on the blueline and bottom 6, but that won't take this team to the Finals. What matters far more is Richards playing better, which will make Gaborik play better, and that is more valuable than anything we can acquire in a trade.

That's why I think it's foolish to move Gaborik now unless you're getting a really good return. If Richards and him don't start playing better, the team isn't going to get that far this season, anyway. We already have a great power forward in Nash, who eats up a ton of cap space. We also have Callahan, who plays like a power forward, and is far more efficient and better at everything other than scoring than virtually every big name power forward in the league. He keeps getting better and better offensively, too.

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03-20-2013, 11:12 PM
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Be careful, though. Getzlaf is a cut above the rest of these players. He's not just a power forward; he's a terrific playmaker. When he's on his game, he's one of the top 10 players in the league. Guys like him and Lindros are the ultimate power forward.

Power forwards are terrific assets to have, but the problem with most of them is they tend to be inefficient. A lot of shots, a lot of penalty minutes. PFs have drawbacks, and no team is going to win if their best players are these guys (unless you're talking about the elite playmaking type, like Getz and Lindros).

Most power forwards are ideally your complimentary players. Your #2 or #3 options on offense. If you sacrifice a lot to get a power forward through salary or trade (like, say the Rangers overpaid to get Nash, who is surely one of the best power forwards in the league, but he's not on the level of a Getzlaf), you have a problem. Eric Staal is overpaid, IMO. I know he's having a great season, but he's not a consistent superstar, yet he's paid like he's one of the best. Rick Nash, same thing. You put yourself in a less than desirable position sacrificing a large portion of your cap to players who ultimately are not the most important piece of the puzzle. Your top line playmaker (usually center) has to be the number one offensive player on your team, even if he isn't the top pointgetter.

In many ways, power forwards are about as valuable as one-dimensional snipers like Gaborik. They can't be the guy on your team that carries the puck the most.

The Rangers will go as far as Brad Richards' play ultimately takes them. It's imperative for him to start playing better, as it's unrealistic to expect Stepan to maintain his current form for the rest of the season (hopefully he does, though). Richards has to be the key, because Nash and/or Gaborik are a lot better depending on how well Richards plays.

The thing about all this trade talk is that it doesn't mean diddly squat unless Richards picks up his game. It'd be nice to fill the holes on the blueline and bottom 6, but that won't take this team to the Finals. What matters far more is Richards playing better, which will make Gaborik play better, and that is more valuable than anything we can acquire in a trade.

That's why I think it's foolish to move Gaborik now unless you're getting a really good return. If Richards and him don't start playing better, the team isn't going to get that far this season, anyway. We already have a great power forward in Nash, who eats up a ton of cap space. We also have Callahan, who plays like a power forward, and is far more efficient and better at everything other than scoring than virtually every big name power forward in the league. He keeps getting better and better offensively, too.
well said!! lets hope we just sure up the bottom 6 with toughness and a steady vet dman on the backend and i think we're set.. Pyatt for Torres please!!

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03-20-2013, 11:14 PM
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Great post above . Not sure what happened to Richards but whatever it is it happened fast and in a huge way because he's been horribly ineffective and there is no spinning it . He pulled off some late season magic last year . What pisses me off is he doesn't appear to be doing anything about it .

He is the most important player and hardest to acquire or replace .

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Be careful, though. Getzlaf is a cut above the rest of these players. He's not just a power forward; he's a terrific playmaker. When he's on his game, he's one of the top 10 players in the league. Guys like him and Lindros are the ultimate power forward.

Power forwards are terrific assets to have, but the problem with most of them is they tend to be inefficient. A lot of shots, a lot of penalty minutes. PFs have drawbacks, and no team is going to win if their best players are these guys (unless you're talking about the elite playmaking type, like Getz and Lindros).

Most power forwards are ideally your complimentary players. Your #2 or #3 options on offense. If you sacrifice a lot to get a power forward through salary or trade (like, say the Rangers overpaid to get Nash, who is surely one of the best power forwards in the league, but he's not on the level of a Getzlaf), you have a problem. Eric Staal is overpaid, IMO. I know he's having a great season, but he's not a consistent superstar, yet he's paid like he's one of the best. Rick Nash, same thing. You put yourself in a less than desirable position sacrificing a large portion of your cap to players who ultimately are not the most important piece of the puzzle. Your top line playmaker (usually center) has to be the number one offensive player on your team, even if he isn't the top pointgetter.

In many ways, power forwards are about as valuable as one-dimensional snipers like Gaborik. They can't be the guy on your team that carries the puck the most.

The Rangers will go as far as Brad Richards' play ultimately takes them. It's imperative for him to start playing better, as it's unrealistic to expect Stepan to maintain his current form for the rest of the season (hopefully he does, though). Richards has to be the key, because Nash and/or Gaborik are a lot better depending on how well Richards plays.

The thing about all this trade talk is that it doesn't mean diddly squat unless Richards picks up his game. It'd be nice to fill the holes on the blueline and bottom 6, but that won't take this team to the Finals. What matters far more is Richards playing better, which will make Gaborik play better, and that is more valuable than anything we can acquire in a trade.

That's why I think it's foolish to move Gaborik now unless you're getting a really good return. If Richards and him don't start playing better, the team isn't going to get that far this season, anyway. We already have a great power forward in Nash, who eats up a ton of cap space. We also have Callahan, who plays like a power forward, and is far more efficient and better at everything other than scoring than virtually every big name power forward in the league. He keeps getting better and better offensively, too.
Rick Nash i consider more of a sniper than power forward.. he isnt too aggressive in the physical department although he does through hits at times and seldom throws big hits.... he is one of the few power forwards since he is considered one by most that rarely fights..

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Rangers are not getting Williams, Brown or Voynov for Gaborik......

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Great post above . Not sure what happened to Richards but whatever it is it happened fast and in a huge way because he's been horribly ineffective and there is no spinning it . He pulled off some late season magic last year . What pisses me off is he doesn't appear to be doing anything about it .

He is the most important player and hardest to acquire or replace .
He's been better lately. I think he's just trying to hard and overthinking things. Just needs to play

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Great post by NYR Sting about power forwards. To add to this, they usually only have a very limited shelf life (like a power RB in football) because most of their success is based on their physical play rather than finesse. The hybrids or ones who have other skills like Iginla, Doan, Tzachuk, Shanny are/were still effective players into their late 30s because they had something else to their game.

Tim Kerr was done by 91, Gillies by 84, Graves by 2000, Leclair by 2005, etc.

As for Gaborik, I just don't see LA as an ideal trading partner. Williams has to come back in deal because of the cap hit for next year and Penner is a UFA so LA doesn't have any benefit in dealing him for anything other than picks.

Would LA do a Gaborik for Toffoli, Muzzin, and a 1st or am I drunk? Is that even something the Rangers would want? Muzzin shoots lefty unfortunately.

As for Boyle would Chicago be interested in him for Bolland (cap move)? What about San Jose for either Handzus or Burish?

Or the craziest idea yet; would San Jose take B. Boyle/Asham for D. Boyle? They'd save a lot in cap room.

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Great post by NYR Sting about power forwards. To add to this, they usually only have a very limited shelf life (like a power RB in football) because most of their success is based on their physical play rather than finesse. The hybrids or ones who have other skills like Iginla, Doan, Tzachuk, Shanny are/were still effective players into their late 30s because they had something else to their game.

Tim Kerr was done by 91, Gillies by 84, Graves by 2000, Leclair by 2005, etc.

As for Gaborik, I just don't see LA as an ideal trading partner. Williams has to come back in deal because of the cap hit for next year and Penner is a UFA so LA doesn't have any benefit in dealing him for anything other than picks.

Would LA do a Gaborik for Toffoli, Muzzin, and a 1st or am I drunk? Is that even something the Rangers would want? Muzzin shoots lefty unfortunately.

As for Boyle would Chicago be interested in him for Bolland (cap move)? What about San Jose for either Handzus or Burish?

Or the craziest idea yet; would San Jose take B. Boyle/Asham for D. Boyle? They'd save a lot in cap room.
No they wouldn't.

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Be careful, though. Getzlaf is a cut above the rest of these players. He's not just a power forward; he's a terrific playmaker. When he's on his game, he's one of the top 10 players in the league. Guys like him and Lindros are the ultimate power forward.

Power forwards are terrific assets to have, but the problem with most of them is they tend to be inefficient. A lot of shots, a lot of penalty minutes. PFs have drawbacks, and no team is going to win if their best players are these guys (unless you're talking about the elite playmaking type, like Getz and Lindros).

Most power forwards are ideally your complimentary players. Your #2 or #3 options on offense. If you sacrifice a lot to get a power forward through salary or trade (like, say the Rangers overpaid to get Nash, who is surely one of the best power forwards in the league, but he's not on the level of a Getzlaf), you have a problem. Eric Staal is overpaid, IMO. I know he's having a great season, but he's not a consistent superstar, yet he's paid like he's one of the best. Rick Nash, same thing. You put yourself in a less than desirable position sacrificing a large portion of your cap to players who ultimately are not the most important piece of the puzzle. Your top line playmaker (usually center) has to be the number one offensive player on your team, even if he isn't the top pointgetter.

In many ways, power forwards are about as valuable as one-dimensional snipers like Gaborik. They can't be the guy on your team that carries the puck the most.

The Rangers will go as far as Brad Richards' play ultimately takes them. It's imperative for him to start playing better, as it's unrealistic to expect Stepan to maintain his current form for the rest of the season (hopefully he does, though). Richards has to be the key, because Nash and/or Gaborik are a lot better depending on how well Richards plays.

The thing about all this trade talk is that it doesn't mean diddly squat unless Richards picks up his game. It'd be nice to fill the holes on the blueline and bottom 6, but that won't take this team to the Finals. What matters far more is Richards playing better, which will make Gaborik play better, and that is more valuable than anything we can acquire in a trade.

That's why I think it's foolish to move Gaborik now unless you're getting a really good return. If Richards and him don't start playing better, the team isn't going to get that far this season, anyway. We already have a great power forward in Nash, who eats up a ton of cap space. We also have Callahan, who plays like a power forward, and is far more efficient and better at everything other than scoring than virtually every big name power forward in the league. He keeps getting better and better offensively, too.
Agreed with everything but what you said about Nash.

I honestly think, from what I've seen thus far, that Nash can be that #1 guy. Richards, at this point in time, is playing like a #9 or a #10 guy. He needs to step it up and be able to at least get the puck to Nash. He's hardly been controlling the puck while on the ice this season, and Richards is effective only when the puck is on his stick, for the most part.

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Agreed with everything but what you said about Nash.

I honestly think, from what I've seen thus far, that Nash can be that #1 guy. Richards, at this point in time, is playing like a #9 or a #10 guy. He needs to step it up and be able to at least get the puck to Nash. He's hardly been controlling the puck while on the ice this season, and Richards is effective only when the puck is on his stick, for the most part.
Agreed with this response to an otherwise excellent post by Sting.

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Nash worries me as the number one option because of his turn overs whenever he tries to pull a move. Nash has an outstanding success rate with it, nearly 50% from the games I've watched. However, I don't see that translating well into the playoffs. I'm not saying he won't be effective, he will be. It's just food for thought.

We're in a difficult situation with Richards. What do we do if he doesn't get better? Where do we find another number one center? Best case scenario, Stepan develops into it but the chances of him becoming a completely legit #1 aren't great (although he's been playing great recently) and then we still need a good offensive #2. If we buy out Richards, I fear we'll be back at square one.

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So long as we're looking at picking up prospects, Brett Connolly has been in the AHL all year.

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Gabby for Evander Kane anyone?

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The Phoenix "rumor" is pure speculation. Somebody brought up the idea of Phoenix as a dark horse for Gaborik. Discussion took off from there.

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Would it be possible to fit Martin St. Louis on this team and not give up Gaborik (this season, but trade him at the draft)?

Anyone want to do the math?

Let's say it was for prospects and picks, hypothetically...


St. Louis - Richards - Nash
Hagelin - Stepan - Gaborik
Kreider - Miller - Callahan
Pyatt - Boyle - Powe/Asham

*drool*

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If I'm sending Gaborik to LA I want Mike Richards as the center of the package. Gaborik for something around Mike Richards, and a defenseman like Muzzin or Voynov. Send them someone like Thomas maybe too.

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