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View Poll Results: What type of player should we draft?
Powerforward [Centre/Winger] 10 5.92%
Two-Way Forward 1 0.59%
Playmaking Centre 8 4.73%
Goalscoring Winger 64 37.87%
Defensive-Defenseman 16 9.47%
Offensive-Defenseman 10 5.92%
Two-Way Defenseman 47 27.81%
Goaler 0 0%
Trade our 1st for an upgrade 4 2.37%
Other [Smallish Character Centres] 9 5.33%
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03-20-2013, 01:08 PM
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Amazing. A lot of people on HF were saying that there is no way he would pull this off at the NHL. Although that may be true with some of the moves he pulled he still showed some great NHL style play there. Coming off the side boards, puck protection, some physicality. Great player.
Like I said before, the only question about Drouin is if he will be Datysuk elusive against NHL defensemen or Ennis elusive. That "looked" very Datysuk-like to me.

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03-20-2013, 01:09 PM
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Pracey is a smart man.
Agreed, if Hishon hadn't suffered that concussion, I think he very well could have seen some NHL time by now and the offensive abilities are there for him that he could have been a regular contributor. Hishon getting the concussion isn't Pracey's fault, and Joey showed the year following him getting drafted that he's a smart, crafty offensive player.

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Considering a lot of you haven't been here until recently, here was something posted some pages back.

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Not even close to Tanguay. Also gotta love the goal song.
I just saw that and some other clips of him a few days ago. Holy Puckhandling Batman!

Surely that kind of skill will serve him well as a pro, but are people thinking he'll have to modify his game significantly against NHL defensemen?

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Like I said before, the only question about Drouin is if he will be Datysuk elusive against NHL defensemen or Ennis elusive. That "looked" very Datysuk-like to me.
Ennis is still a great player, I'd be happy with a guy like him in the draft.

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03-20-2013, 01:14 PM
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Pracey is a smart man.
Can we change his title to Director of Amateur Player and Professional Coach Scouting?

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Ennis is still a great player, I'd be happy with a guy like him in the draft.
If we pick top10 and only get a player similar to Ennis out of this , I would be furious.

Ennis has skill. No doubt. But I don't think that you can get away with a player like him in your Top6 if you want to contend.
He is a guy who will always be overpaid for what he brings.

But I just really dislike him. Maybe I am wrong.

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03-20-2013, 01:37 PM
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I just saw that and some other clips of him a few days ago. Holy Puckhandling Batman!

Surely that kind of skill will serve him well as a pro, but are people thinking he'll have to modify his game significantly against NHL defensemen?
No. What he's doing is natural to him. He isn't doing a gimmicky set of moves that would only get around WHL players, that skillset will translate to the AHL/NHL quite nicely. I have no doubt he'll be Datsyuk-elusive as opposed to Ennis-elusive. That was part of the reason Ennis went 26th overall, there was question marks about how he'd handle the transition. Drouin is 10x the player Ennis at the same age IMO.

Plus Drouin just sounds like one of those allstar names

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Agreed, if Hishon hadn't suffered that concussion, I think he very well could have seen some NHL time by now and the offensive abilities are there for him that he could have been a regular contributor. Hishon getting the concussion isn't Pracey's fault, and Joey showed the year following him getting drafted that he's a smart, crafty offensive player.
I'm not blaming the concussion on Pracey. I'm just saying that most seemed to have Hishon going about a full round after we picked him. We probably could have traded down and still gotten him, but we didn't.

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03-20-2013, 01:41 PM
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Ennis is still a great player, I'd be happy with a guy like him in the draft.
I agree that Ennis is a great player, but between 1st and 5th I would like someone with better skill than Ennis.

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I'm not blaming the concussion on Pracey. I'm just saying that most seemed to have Hishon going about a full round after we picked him. We probably could have traded down and still gotten him, but we didn't.
Maybe, who knows really.

I'm of the mindset that if you REALLY like someone, you take them, even if it's a bit early. Better to get the player you REALLY want than having to scramble for option(s) B-Z

That being said, the pick certainly did come as a surprise to damn near everyone here and, seemingly, on TV as well.

Most had us taking Etem if he were still on the board, and he was and we passed.

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I'm not blaming the concussion on Pracey. I'm just saying that most seemed to have Hishon going about a full round after we picked him. We probably could have traded down and still gotten him, but we didn't.
This is the same draft that had people expecting Etem to be in the top 10, and ended up being 29th overall.

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I'm not blaming the concussion on Pracey. I'm just saying that most seemed to have Hishon going about a full round after we picked him. We probably could have traded down and still gotten him, but we didn't.
I thought there was something said that other teams in the 1st round were potentially targeting Hishon as well.

Also that some thought he could be a top-10 pick (preseaon rankings) if not for an injury his draft year.


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I thought there was something said that other teams in the 1st round were potentially targeting Hishon as well.

Also that some thought he could be a top-10 pick (preseaon rankings) if not for an injury his draft year.
I know the second part is accurate, but the first is pretty tough to tell.

I really didn't mean to get off on this tangent. My only real point is that I doubt we'd trade down in 2013 regardless of who we wanted.

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I know the second part is accurate, but the first is pretty tough to tell.

I really didn't mean to get off on this tangent. My only real point is that I doubt we'd trade down in 2013 regardless of who we wanted.
Would be a good way to pick up a 2nd though. About the cost to move up 2 spots, probably 1 spot in the top 5 I think.

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Alright to answer some of your questions the few pages back.

5v5
Jones plays on the right side and his partner is Wotherspoon who is a really good shutdown defenseman

PP
Jones again plays on the right side to start the faceoff or on breakout, but Portland plays the umbrella system and he is on the top point for one timers.

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His partner on the PP is Rutkowski.

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From the Drouin/prospects thread:


Originally Posted by decma
Q scoring has gone up after Christmas and I believe the league is now at 6.98 goals per game.

But this is still lower than the OHL's 7.46 during Kane's draft eligible season
(2006/2007).

Normalizing all the data to 8 goals per game, and projecting each player's points per game over 80 games, here are the top 40 draft-eligible major junior seasons by forwards since 1981.


1 Crosby 05 Q 266
2 Mario 84 Q 257
3 Kane 07 O 204
4 Drouin 13 Q 201
5 Briere 96 Q 197

6 Lafontaine 83 Q 187
7 Brendl 99 W 186
8 Spezza 01 O 185
9 Lindros 91 O 183
10 Gagner 07 O 183

11 Daigle 93 Q 183
12 Bouchard, PM 02 Q 182
13 Lecavalier 98 Q 177
14 Hall 10 O 167
15 Tavares 09 O 167

16 Hawerchuk 81 Q 163
17 Savard, M 91 O 163
18 Brassard Q 06 163
19 Turgeon, P 87 Q 161
20 Thornton 87 O 161

21 Little 06 O 154
22 MacKinnon 13 Q 154
23 Stamkos 08 O 154
24 Langkow 95 W 153
25 Ribeiro 98 Q 152

26 Tanguay 98 Q 151
27 Gratton 93 O 150
28 Couturier 11 Q 150
29 Huberdeau 11 Q 150
30 Damphousse 85 Q 149

31 Staal, E 03 O 148
32 Richards, B 98 Q 145
33 Seguin 10 O 145
34 Falloon 91 W 145
35 Bellows 82 O 145

36 Primeau 90 O 144
37 Ryan 05 O 143
38 Marleau 97 W 143
39 Turgeon, S 83 O 142
40 Nugent-Hopkins 11 W 142



A few observations:
1) Drouin is having some kind of year.

2) the list is dominated by Q players. Even controlling for league scoring levels by normalizing to 8 goals per game, Q fwds take 5 of top 6 spots (and 18 of top 40. O with 17 in top 40 and W with only 5).

3) If guys score at that clip as 17/18 year olds in major junior, they almost definitely will be able to score at NHL level (only complete bust on the list in Brendl) and should not be passed over in draft. Six on that list slipped past the top 10 of the draft - Biere 24th, Savard 91st, Little 12th, Ribeiro 45th, Tanguay 12th, and Richards 64th. Jury still out on Little, but the other 5 are (or were) top 6 forwards with some seasons at all-star level.


If you do the same things with goals (arguably a better predictor of NHL success than points), here are the top 40:

1 Mario 121
2 Crosby 107
3 Stamkos 92
4 Tavares 91
5 Lindros 87

6 Brendl 87
7 Kane 83
8 Tanguay 83
9 Lafontaine 80
10 Drouin 80

11 Briere 80
12 Skinner 75
13 P. Turgeon 75
14 Langkow 72
15 Hawerchuk 72

16 Gratton 72
17 Lupul 71
18 Convery 71
19 Bellows 70
20 Legwand 70

21 Spezza 69
22 E. Kane 69
23 Hall 68
24 Lecavalier 67
25 Seguin 66

26 Nolan 66
27 Falloon 66
28 Primeau 66
29 Warriner 65
30 Huberdeau 65

31 Niedermeyer 64
32 Brassard 64
33 Bernier 64
34 Ricci 63
35 E. Staal 63

36 MacKinnon 63
37 Gelinas 63
38 Carson 63
39 D. Roy 62
40 Brule 62

Guys going to be a hell of a player I would take him over Jones.

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Avs have 19 games remaining in the regular season.

9 Home Game: 5 Playoff Teams, 4 Non Playoff Teams

10 Away: 5 Playoff Teams, 5 Non Playoff Teams

4 back-to-back game series.

Should be a interesting finish to the season.

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Avs have 19 games remaining in the regular season.

9 Home Game: 5 Playoff Teams, 4 Non Playoff Teams

10 Away: 5 Playoff Teams, 5 Non Playoff Teams

4 back-to-back game series.

Should be a interesting finish to the season.
If we went .500, how many points and/or place would that put us in?

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Guys going to be a hell of a player I would take him over Jones.
I have a feeling it won't be our choice. I'm betting we finish third to last and we take the one of the three that's left. I'll be okay with that.

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If we went .500, how many points and/or place would that put us in?
We need 29 points to get in (55 total is the projected line)... 14-4-1

.500 = 9-9-1 (19P, 45P total) not even close, and probably (just a guess) bottom five.

36% chance we finish 13th in the West with that record according to :

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/W.../Colorado.html

We can go 13-3-3 as well, and make it (LOL).


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I'm not blaming the concussion on Pracey. I'm just saying that most seemed to have Hishon going about a full round after we picked him. We probably could have traded down and still gotten him, but we didn't.
No one will ever know if thats true. I remember like a year after the draft people were saying that hishon would probably be a top 10 pick if the draft was redone. Was a great pick if anything.

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I have a feeling it won't be our choice. I'm betting we finish third to last and we take the one of the three that's left. I'll be okay with that.
I don't even think we will finish that badly. I think we'll probably end up top ten and get Monahan. He's seems like an Avs draft pick.

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I don't even think we will finish that badly. I think we'll probably end up top ten and get Monahan. He's seems like an Avs draft pick.
Maybe. I certainly feel our roster is that good. We've kind of been saying all year, "just wait til we're healthy." These past five games we've been pretty healthy, and we're only 1-4. I think we'll probably battle it out with Buffalo, Washington, and Florida for the first four picks. Anywhere north of that in the standings and I see teams with better, more expensive, rosters.

I always hate to blame a coach for poor play. I always thought that was a cop out, but this team is much better that what we're seeing on the ice.

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I want Jones first and foremost. But Drouin is the best consolation prize in the draft in my honest opinion and has been since day one. I said in this thread I liked Drouin more than MacK awhile before people started questioning which one of the two to select.

That was with limited viewings of both though (only 2 games).

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