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03-21-2013, 02:03 AM
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Teams lose momentum but you have other issues if a bad goal completely deflates your team..

Issues like an inexperienced line-up. We are doing better this year than any year since the cup run of not folding. We've given some away but we've stole some comebacks. It's getting better and we are almost in reach of a playoff spot. If someone had prognosticated this spot at the beginning of the year it would have been deemed acceptable.

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Lol, hi-lighted so a month from now you remember you said this


Columbus is riding a ridiculously hot goalie. The Oilers just lost a game because of theirs.


We dressed two centers tonight but people keep blaming coaching.
Well I just think the BJ's have more determination and are actually working hard more consistently. Sure they have a hot goalie... BUT they are simply playing as a TEAM right now. Oilers are still a bunch of individuals... and they win when their individuals put up great performances.. which isn't often enough.

Columbus has a perfect record when leading after 2 periods.. best in the NHL.

Oilers are 2nd worst in the NHL when leading after 2. Only the Avs collapse more than the Oilers.

I'm looking forward to the Oilers-Blue Jackets game next Thursday to see if the Oilers can lift themselves up to the Blue Jackets level.

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03-21-2013, 02:06 AM
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Did you know...............

according to the box score on nhl.com Nail Yakupov had more TOI than Ryan Smyth?

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Smyth needed to play alot. We were down a centre because RNH did not suit up and Smyth is our best faceoff man.
I watched most of the game and was appalled by the play of Dubnyk and Petry. With poor goaltending and defense, do you expect to make the playoffs?
It is a shame we keep getting 1 pt out of these games. Kevin Lowe will get to keep his job and sell it to the fans that this team is "turning the corner". If we lost 10 straight games that would be best because there would be immense pressure to fire Lowe.
Should've called up Vande Velde.

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Usually it's the worst 10-15 defensemen in the league that give up >3 GA/60 over the course of an NHL season.

Justin Schultz is in that category right now.

Yet let's go blame Dubnyk.
There's 147 defensemen who get a better SV% from their goalie while they're on the ice.

Let's absolve Dubnyk of any of the blame though.

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"Playing against these guys is kind of like a measuring stick for myself to see where my game is.
Its fun to play like this." Logan Couture on the post game show.

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Smyth needed to play alot. We were down a centre because RNH did not suit up and Smyth is our best faceoff man.
I watched most of the game and was appalled by the play of Dubnyk and Petry. With poor goaltending and defense, do you expect to make the playoffs?
It is a shame we keep getting 1 pt out of these games. Kevin Lowe will get to keep his job and sell it to the fans that this team is "turning the corner". If we lost 10 straight games that would be best because there would be immense pressure to fire Lowe.
I kind of agree with you. The team is gutting out points but the glaring holes just become more glaringly



When Horcoff was hurt they should have found an NHL player to replace him. We roll with VV to see if he is an NHLer, decide he's not after a dozen games and roll Smyth out as center. We again create our own problems and it puts us in a situation where in a key game we are dressing two centers. In the corporate world that would be seen as mismanagement and people would be fired.

"Failure to forecast"

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Did you know...............

according to the box score on nhl.com Nail Yakupov had more TOI than Ryan Smyth?
Maybe its because Smyth skates in slow motion his shifts seem longer.

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Issues like an inexperienced line-up. We are doing better this year than any year since the cup run of not folding. We've given some away but we've stole some comebacks. It's getting better and we are almost in reach of a playoff spot. If someone had prognosticated this spot at the beginning of the year it would have been deemed acceptable.
To be fair, the Oilers did finish 9th in the conference in 2007-08 and were mathematically eliminated only in game 81 and still managed to mathematically eliminate Vancouver in game 82.

The following season, the Oilers were actually in a playoff spot with 11 games remaining (... which they promptly squandered... so I guess you could say they just folded).

EDIT: And yes, the team this year is doing way better than the last three.

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Did you know...............

according to the box score on nhl.com Nail Yakupov had more TOI than Ryan Smyth?
By a whole 13 seconds!

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Did you know...............

according to the box score on nhl.com Nail Yakupov had more TOI than Ryan Smyth?

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Did you know...............

according to the box score on nhl.com Nail Yakupov had more TOI than Ryan Smyth?
It's not so much the total time on ice that matters; it's when they're being played.

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"Playing against these guys as kind of like a measuring stick for myself to see where my game is.
Its fun to play like this." Logan Couture on the post game show.
Couture was definitely having fun out there.

He even took a victory lap when his name was announced in the three stars.

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Couture was definitely having fun out there.

He even took a victory lap when his name was announced in the three stars.
Would've been great to see Fistric absolutely crush mister toothy grin out there. Here's praying for next game.

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Couture was definitely having fun out there.

He even took a victory lap when his name was announced in the three stars.
Ah, an extra "F U" for Edmonton fans.

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03-21-2013, 02:13 AM
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This ones on Dubnyk. His rebound control was horrible.

First goal he makes the initial save it scoots back out as he squeezes his pads. Hits fistrics skate and in.

Second goal he makes the initial save, fails to to pounce on the rebound directly in front of him, 2 seconds later it's in the net.

At no point in this game did Dubnyk make a game changing save unless you count the posts doing it for him.

I'm sick of people using save % to justify him being good. I'm starting to wonder how many extra saves he's had to make cause he's failed to kill the play.
Absolutely. He has played well, but then poorly, and then well again, and then poorly, he has to play better on a more consistent basis.

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There's 147 defensemen who get a better SV% from their goalie while they're on the ice.

Let's absolve Dubnyk of any of the blame though.
99 defensemen* that have played >20gp (fair sample) have goalies with better save percentages.

That being said, this is a completely anomalous stat - and has nothing to do with assessing the defensive player, unless J.Schultz is so handsome it distracts Dubnyk from making the save.

Funny though, because here are other Oilers' stats for that:

Petry : 0.940 ( you'd think otherwise with all the own-goals)
Smid: 0.929
Whitney: 0.928

J.Schultz: 0.912
N.Schultz: 0.897

It's obvious who are worst defensive defensemen are - these guys are giving up the highest quality shooting opportunities with the lowest quality competition

Blows my mind that J.Schultz sees 25min a night.

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Absolutely. He has played well, but then poorly, and then well again, and then poorly, he has to play better on a more consistent basis.
Fair point. Hard to score an "own-goal" on your goalie when he's not giving you big juicy rebounds to throw into your own net.

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At the game.

Seemed like a real disjointed choppy affair. Can't say the Oilers really deserved to be up 3-1 but wasn't shocked when SJ tied it up.

The lines sucked but that's what happens when you only have 2 centers on 4 lines.

Dubnyk had to at least have the last goal in a 3-2 playoff implication game in the 3rd period.

Had to say we really didn't have many scoring chances again even strength or on the PP.

I realize SJ has the #3 PK or whatever but a 4 minute PP with nothing to show for it was weak.

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Nearly 17 full teams worth of defenseman who have a better goalie behind them.

Pretty easy to see why his GA/60 looks like that.

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99 defensemen* that have played >20gp (fair sample) have goalies with better save percentages.

That being said, this is a completely anomalous stat - and has nothing to do with assessing the defensive player, unless J.Schultz is so handsome it distracts Dubnyk from making the save.
He is a pretty good looking guy...

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I thought Nail actually had a really poor game. Awful giveaways, forgiven mostly because you expect that from a rookie. But in the offensive zone and on the PP, I don't think I've seen someone with his caliber of shot pass up on so many one-time opportunities. Whitney had a **** game also, but he was laying them on a platter for Yak.

An amazing shift in the 3rd by Nail. And it should've been rewarded with more shifts for so many reasons:

1. Kid's having a tough night overall, you have to let him try to rectify.
2. Confidence building will happen when a coach positively reinforces efforts like that shift.
3. The guy was selected 1st overall because he's a game-changer. And if he was sent out even once more after that shift, he would've shown why.

Definition of sitting back. Threat player like Nail gets leashed in OT and the 3rd while ace snipers like Tommy Wigglytuff or whatever the **** his name is, are easing the game past Dubnyk to a 3-3 game and eventual win. I'm shocked we didn't lose in regulation the way we played after Whitney's penalty. Should've iced the game when we ere gifted all those PP's.

Leave it to the Oilers to lose to a team that has 5 ****ing wins in their last 21 games #slumpbusters


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Ah, so Eberle is gimped up thanks to a broken finger; that's one sniper pretty much down and out.

Then you have Yakupov, our next best sniper (he will be even better, I'm sure). He's playing his best hockey and no longer a huge liability, and he gets benched when we need him the most. Not only that, but benched after perhaps one of his best shifts in the NHL so far. WTF is Ralph doing? Is he trying to suck the life out of Yakupov? Yakupov has the best shot on the team, we need goal, and he benches him... Just horribad coaching, and that's being fair about it.
True enough, but what were we expecting? This from the management team that hired Mact clones in Renney and Krueger. Krueger was here during the deflowering of Paajarvi as he disappeared into the Belanger triangle. Some people would have you believe that this was actually "good" for his development.

Krueger is playing to save his job. Nothing more.

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Nearly 17 full teams worth of defenseman who have a better goalie behind them.

Pretty easy to see why his GA/60 looks like that.
You're not assessing the stat properly - see above post.

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Funny though, because here are other Oilers' stats for that:

Petry : 0.940 ( you'd think otherwise with all the own-goals)
Smid: 0.929
Whitney: 0.928

J.Schultz: 0.912
N.Schultz: 0.897

It's obvious who are worst defensive defensemen are - these guys are giving up the highest quality shooting opportunities with the lowest quality competition - utter embarrassment as top-4 defensemen

Blows my mind that J.Schultz sees 25min a night.

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You're not assessing the stat properly - see above post.
You conveniently left out Potter and Fistric in your "assessment".

According to your conclusion, Fistric is far and away our best defenseman and Potter is better than Smid.

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