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03-20-2013, 03:26 PM
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Richard Nixon, **** you

I'm surprised that this hasn't gotten a lot of attention around here, or in the media in general... But it now appears that Nixon deliberately sabotaged peace talks in Vietnam before the 68 election.

Yes, that's right he deliberately kept us in Vietnam for his own political gain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21768668


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It begins in the summer of 1968. Nixon feared a breakthrough at the Paris Peace talks designed to find a negotiated settlement to the Vietnam war, and he knew this would derail his campaign.

He therefore set up a clandestine back-channel involving Anna Chennault, a senior campaign adviser.
I'm on my phone right now, so the link might not be quite right.


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21768668

Not a surprise in the slightest. He was an epic POS.

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Wow....
that's low. And I always defended Nixon

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Nixon really gives Bush a run for his money.

That being said, it seems like Johnson should have done something with this knowledge.

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This is par for the course - not shocked in the least, lol.

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I thought this was somewhat old news, I guess that was just unofficial knowledge, while this seals the deal.

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Nixon really gives Bush a run for his money.

That being said, it seems like Johnson should have done something with this knowledge.
Johnson? Don't you mean Humphrey? Johnson didn't run.

Sorry, didn't read the article until now.


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We've always been at war with Eastasia.

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What was his opponent's stance on the war in Vietnam?

You gotta admit, tho, without Nixon in power, we wouldn't have had a re-opening of relationship with China for a while.

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Nixon really gives Bush a run for his money.

That being said, it seems like Johnson should have done something with this knowledge.
The information was illegally wiretapped.

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I'm surprised that this hasn't gotten a lot of attention around here, or in the media in general... But it now appears that Nixon deliberately sabotaged peace talks in Vietnam before the 68 election.

Yes, that's right he deliberately kept us in Vietnam for his own political gain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21768668




I'm on my phone right now, so the link might not be quite right.
It also suggests that Johnson was using the peace talks as political leverage himself.

Johnson decides to re-join election>Peace talks ramp up. Kind of interesting isn't it?

I also believe the tapes a greatly overestimating Nixon's impact here. It is predicated on the belief that he was a sure thing to win the election in '68, yet the only reason why they didn't take this public is because they felt they were sure things to win it without going public? If the election was that close, and the Democrats were considered the favorites literally right until the day of the election why would the South Vietnamese take a deal from a guy who wasn't supposed to be President?

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What was his opponent's stance on the war in Vietnam?

You gotta admit, tho, without Nixon in power, we wouldn't have had a re-opening of relationship with China for a while.
and then we wouldn't have hemorrhaged manufacturing jobs in order to clog up landfills with cheap plastic ****

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and then we wouldn't have hemorrhaged manufacturing jobs in order to clog up landfills with cheap plastic ****
You are going to blame THIS on good relationships with China?

Like there isn't available cheap labor elsewhere, maybe?

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Why am I not surprised. This is the guy that brought you Watergate so not like it is out of character.

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Wierdly enought, not so much of a spurise, the USA have always been a dirty state. I am sure todays war have equal awful truths about them.

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The information was illegally wiretapped.
I am sure there must have been a way to leak it to the press. 22,000 additional American life lost and who knows how many Vietnamese, because Nixon and LBJ put domestic politics first.

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It also suggests that Johnson was using the peace talks as political leverage himself.

Johnson decides to re-join election>Peace talks ramp up. Kind of interesting isn't it?

I also believe the tapes a greatly overestimating Nixon's impact here. It is predicated on the belief that he was a sure thing to win the election in '68, yet the only reason why they didn't take this public is because they felt they were sure things to win it without going public? If the election was that close, and the Democrats were considered the favorites literally right until the day of the election why would the South Vietnamese take a deal from a guy who wasn't supposed to be President?
They didn't have anything to lose (at least that's what they though), but waiting for the outcome of the election, rather than commit to LBJ plan.

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Figured this was common knowledge

I remember hearing about this years ago

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It was never confirmed before.

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The narrative as outline by the Guardian strains the limits of credulity.

So I'm suppose to believe that LBJ -- who had systematically escalated the conflict to its peak in 1968 (in terms of total ground troops) -- was blindsided by Nixon?

Johnson felt it was the ultimate expression of political hypocrisy but in calls recorded with Clifford they express the fear that going public would require revealing the FBI were bugging the ambassador's phone and the National Security Agency (NSA) was intercepting his communications with Saigon.

So they decided to say nothing.

The president did let Humphrey know and gave him enough information to sink his opponent. But by then, a few days from the election, Humphrey had been told he had closed the gap with Nixon and would win the presidency. So Humphrey decided it would be too disruptive to the country to accuse the Republicans of treason, if the Democrats were going to win anyway.


Anyone care to interject any more innuendo and speculation into this narrative?

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