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03-21-2013, 07:18 AM
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I don't think they will sign him that long personally, I think 5 will continue to be the limit of length Toronto hands out. Burke did it, Nonis did it recently with Lupul. Seems to me that it will continue that way, but we will have to wait and see.
If DN does not lock up his key players using the 8 year max and scale down the cap hit, then he should join BB on another team.

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Wish the Aulie/Ashton deal never happened. Aulie is the defenseman we are lacking now and I bet he would be thriving in the Carlyle system. I think Ashton will be passed quickly on the depth chart when Biggs turns pro.
...You mean Aulie, who's averaging 12:50 of ice time per game, including 00:00 PP TOI/G and only 0:49 SH TOI/G?

He's being used less than Brian Lee, on a team that's fairly thin on the blueline, and who's main weakness is defensive play... and he's averaging 12:50 TOI/G and has had a cup of coffee on the PK... and you wish we had him?

Ashton isn't in the NHL, but he looks like he can be a pretty solid two-way 3rd liner. It's been three years since Aulie has shown any ability to play in the NHL at a decent level.

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...You mean Aulie, who's averaging 12:50 of ice time per game, including 00:00 PP TOI/G and only 0:49 SH TOI/G?

He's being used less than Brian Lee, on a team that's fairly thin on the blueline, and who's main weakness is defensive play... and he's averaging 12:50 TOI/G and has had a cup of coffee on the PK... and you wish we had him?

Ashton isn't in the NHL, but he looks like he can be a pretty solid two-way 3rd liner. It's been three years since Aulie has shown any ability to play in the NHL at a decent level.
Not to mention he is a LHS and plays LD... We are stacked at that position and wouldn't of had room for him anyways...

The trade makes sense!

Ashton has been a good grinder on the Marlies and even chips in offensively. He is a prototypical BIG 3rd line winger that will help ANY playoff team in the playoffs.

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03-21-2013, 07:43 AM
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Wish the Aulie/Ashton deal never happened. Aulie is the defenseman we are lacking now and I bet he would be thriving in the Carlyle system. I think Ashton will be passed quickly on the depth chart when Biggs turns pro.
Aulie has 1g 2a and is 6th in ice time for the bolts. Hes 7th in average ice time. He has a worse stats line then Holzer

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03-21-2013, 08:01 AM
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Just wondering speculatively-with SJ doing as poor as they are this year, what realistically would it take to get Joe Thorton out? Probably too much I guess...a demand for Toronto's first plus plus would be the order of the day?

Just thinking with Kadri coming up well, be a great 1A/1B situation with good vet leadership for Kadri. Again though, too much, probably Reilly/Gardiner/1st combination....

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03-21-2013, 08:06 AM
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Just wondering speculatively-with SJ doing as poor as they are this year, what realistically would it take to get Joe Thorton out? Probably too much I guess...a demand for Toronto's first plus plus would be the order of the day?

Just thinking with Kadri coming up well, be a great 1A/1B situation with good vet leadership for Kadri. Again though, too much, probably Reilly/Gardiner/1st combination....
Too much.

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Too much.
Yea thought so. Toronto can't afford the resources for what SJ would want, plus I think Thorton has an NTC anyway.

Was just a passing though

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Aulie has 1g 2a and is 6th in ice time for the bolts. Hes 7th in average ice time. He has a worse stats line then Holzer
Stop stat watching. If anything, go ask the Bolts what they think of him. Last time I checked, they loved him on their 3rd pairing.

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...You mean Aulie, who's averaging 12:50 of ice time per game, including 00:00 PP TOI/G and only 0:49 SH TOI/G?

He's being used less than Brian Lee, on a team that's fairly thin on the blueline, and who's main weakness is defensive play... and he's averaging 12:50 TOI/G and has had a cup of coffee on the PK... and you wish we had him?

Ashton isn't in the NHL, but he looks like he can be a pretty solid two-way 3rd liner. It's been three years since Aulie has shown any ability to play in the NHL at a decent level.
He said he thought Aulie could thrive in RC's defensive minded system which i agree with. Not a run and gun system...

I don't think Ashton will turn into much of anything.

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...You mean Aulie, who's averaging 12:50 of ice time per game, including 00:00 PP TOI/G and only 0:49 SH TOI/G?

He's being used less than Brian Lee, on a team that's fairly thin on the blueline, and who's main weakness is defensive play... and he's averaging 12:50 TOI/G and has had a cup of coffee on the PK... and you wish we had him?

Ashton isn't in the NHL, but he looks like he can be a pretty solid two-way 3rd liner. It's been three years since Aulie has shown any ability to play in the NHL at a decent level.
Of course he's only getting 13 minutes of ice time, he's still young and developing. Putting him on the top line in Tampa would be like throwing him to the wolves. In time I think he'll be a solid 2nd pairing defenseman.

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...You mean Aulie, who's averaging 12:50 of ice time per game, including 00:00 PP TOI/G and only 0:49 SH TOI/G?

He's being used less than Brian Lee, on a team that's fairly thin on the blueline, and who's main weakness is defensive play... and he's averaging 12:50 TOI/G and has had a cup of coffee on the PK... and you wish we had him?

Ashton isn't in the NHL, but he looks like he can be a pretty solid two-way 3rd liner. It's been three years since Aulie has shown any ability to play in the NHL at a decent level.

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Aulie has 1g 2a and is 6th in ice time for the bolts. Hes 7th in average ice time. He has a worse stats line then Holzer
What does him offensive production have to do with anything? He's a physical stay-at-home defenseman, something the Leafs are lacking right now.

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i love Ashton's game by the way. He'll be a solid 3rd liner for the Leafs for years

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Of course he's only getting 13 minutes of ice time, he's still young and developing. Putting him on the top line in Tampa would be like throwing him to the wolves. In time I think he'll be a solid 2nd pairing defenseman.
Meh, it''s his 4th year of professional hockey, 3rd in the NHL. Same draft year as McDonagh, Shattenkirk, Subban, Smith, Gunnarson, Cole, Blum, Weber (Montreal), etc.

Yannick Weber is the only one playing a similar role to Aulie at the moment, and I wouldn't be rushing to trade Ashton for him.

Now that's not to say I think Ashton has a particularly high ceiling. I think he should just become a solid two-way 3rd liner with size who can add some secondary scoring, which is what it is. I just don't see the point in getting all concerned about what Aulie is doing, because he hasn't shown the ability to be and isn't projected to be anything special at the NHL level.

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What does him offensive production have to do with anything? He's a physical stay-at-home defenseman, something the Leafs are lacking right now.
Physical stay at home defencemen play on the PK. That's literally where their skills are the most valuable. Aulie does not play on Tampa's PK on a consistent basis at all.

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Aulie would not replace either of our bottom pairing (Fraser or Franson).

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Any interest from the fans in Brian Boyle? Seems to covet the "big body" top 9 center we have been rumored to be looking for.

Obviously not a top 6 guy, which would be ideal but I think he could fit the mold of what Carlyle wants in his prototypical third/fourth line center. He has had a bad year so far and many times in Torts dog house but he had a great year last year so perhaps a change of scenery could be in order.

Maybe a prospect like Carrick or Crescenzi and a mid-round draft pick for him?

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Any interest from the fans in Brian Boyle? Seems to covet the "big body" top 9 center we have been rumored to be looking for.

Obviously not a top 6 guy, which would be ideal but I think he could fit the mold of what Carlyle wants in his prototypical third/fourth line center. He has had a bad year so far and many times in Torts dog house but he had a great year last year so perhaps a change of scenery could be in order.

Maybe a prospect like Carrick or Crescenzi and a mid-round draft pick for him?
Not really, we need a big body guy to take over Bozak or Grabovski's role and I doubt Boyle is that guy.

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Not really, we need a big body guy to take over Bozak or Grabovski's role and I doubt Boyle is that guy.
Not entirely BB, Mclem can fill Grabo s spot. A big 4th line C that brings a bit more speed and physical play then Steckle did , would be ok.

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Not really, we need a big body guy to take over Bozak or Grabovski's role and I doubt Boyle is that guy.
As I said, obviously finding someone that can be an upgrade over Bozak or even Grabovski with size would be the ideal situation... but not many teams are likely to just give them away, let alone trade them for a fair package. A lot of teams will be looking at an overpayment as they are not common.

So instead of looking at depleting our roster depth and prospects depth, why not go after someone that would perhaps fit the role better as a "shut down" center, one that's big and can grind well.

His value is low, thus the value may be worth it.

Makes a lot more sense than the usual third line winger proposals.

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Any interest from the fans in Brian Boyle? Seems to covet the "big body" top 9 center we have been rumored to be looking for.

Obviously not a top 6 guy, which would be ideal but I think he could fit the mold of what Carlyle wants in his prototypical third/fourth line center. He has had a bad year so far and many times in Torts dog house but he had a great year last year so perhaps a change of scenery could be in order.

Maybe a prospect like Carrick or Crescenzi and a mid-round draft pick for him?
Would love him but I think it'd cost a better prospect than either of those two- but not one of our top guys. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing him with McClement who has played wing this year, so they could rotate taking draws. I love Komarov and don't like seeing him on the 4th unit.

I'd like to see us deal MacA for a '13 2nd and move Komarov into his spot

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As I said, obviously finding someone that can be an upgrade over Bozak or even Grabovski with size would be the ideal situation... but not many teams are likely to just give them away, let alone trade them for a fair package. A lot of teams will be looking at an overpayment as they are not common.

So instead of looking at depleting our roster depth and prospects depth, why not go after someone that would perhaps fit the role better as a "shut down" center, one that's big and can grind well.

His value is low, thus the value may be worth it.

Makes a lot more sense than the usual third line winger proposals.
Not sold that the JVR/Kessel line needs a big C.

What it needs IMO is a player that has the skill and hockey IQ to compliment that line.

Frankly, i don't think Boz has either quality.

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Any interest from the fans in Brian Boyle? Seems to covet the "big body" top 9 center we have been rumored to be looking for.

Obviously not a top 6 guy, which would be ideal but I think he could fit the mold of what Carlyle wants in his prototypical third/fourth line center. He has had a bad year so far and many times in Torts dog house but he had a great year last year so perhaps a change of scenery could be in order.

Maybe a prospect like Carrick or Crescenzi and a mid-round draft pick for him?
I don't think Boyle is better than any of the 4 centers currently employed by the Leafs but he is bigger.

If cheap I wouldn't mind moving Grabovski to the wing and picking him up as a 3rd/4th line C with McClement filling the other spot.

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Would love him but I think it'd cost a better prospect than either of those two- but not one of our top guys. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing him with McClement who has played wing this year, so they could rotate taking draws. I love Komarov and don't like seeing him on the 4th unit.

I'd like to see us deal MacA for a '13 2nd and move Komarov into his spot
EDIT: Looks like I completely miss-read what you wrote. My bad. MacArthur for a 2nd, not with a 2nd for Boyle. My bad!

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Not sold that the JVR/Kessel line needs a big C.

What it needs IMO is a player that has the skill and hockey IQ to compliment that line.

Frankly, i don't think Boz has either quality.
Defensive acumen wouldn't hurt either.

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