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Gaborik Available; Canucks interested (Per HNIC)

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03-19-2013, 03:50 PM
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I don't see the harm in speculating Gaborik's worth both at a $7.5m cap hit and at a reduced cap hit with the Rangers eating some salary. This forum's lifeblood is speculation, and it makes no sense to exclude speculation about one not-unrealistic scenario where the Rangers eat some salary.

Obviously the Rangers would prefer not to eat salary, but retained cap space is a tradeable commodity in this CBA not different from a draft pick.
I don't think it's relevant because it greatly skews the value of the asset. You could create a brand new thread about Gaborik and ask what his worth is as a $5mill asset, it would be completely different. It's like comparing two different assets, because that's really what it is.

And again, you could make this same argument about ANY player in the league.

So when you ask what's Gaborik's value, you have to assume that we're discussing the value of the asset as it is. If you're asking what's his value under a much lower cap hit, it's a completely different asset. It's like comparing Nash to Gaborik. Which player in your opinion has more value? Now compare Nash at $7.8mill cap hit to say Gaborik at a $4mill cap hit. Is their value still the same comparitively?

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03-19-2013, 04:34 PM
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I don't think it's relevant because it greatly skews the value of the asset. You could create a brand new thread about Gaborik and ask what his worth is as a $5mill asset, it would be completely different. It's like comparing two different assets, because that's really what it is.

And again, you could make this same argument about ANY player in the league.

So when you ask what's Gaborik's value, you have to assume that we're discussing the value of the asset as it is. If you're asking what's his value under a much lower cap hit, it's a completely different asset. It's like comparing Nash to Gaborik. Which player in your opinion has more value? Now compare Nash at $7.8mill cap hit to say Gaborik at a $4mill cap hit. Is their value still the same comparitively?
But this isn't a "Value of" thread, it's a Rumor thread based on the belief that Gaborik is available. Based on that rumored availability, different permutations of trades have been discussed. Some of those permutations include more than just Gaborik, and instead package together other pieces, e.g., Gaborik + Boyle or Gaborik + pick.

There's no doubt that Gaborik at $7.5m million is less valuable than Gaborik at $5m. Nor is there any doubt that Gaborik is less valuable than Gaborik + pick.

With only a single year left on Gaborik's deal, one would have to think that there's a significant chance that the Rangers would be willing to retain a portion of his salary + hit if it helps facilitate a move they like. In fact, I'd view that as more likely than the Rangers being willing to take back an albatross with multiple years on it.

Ignoring the possibility of retained salary or the possibility of other players/picks being added by the Rangers (or creating a new thread for every possible permutation of retained salary as you suggested) seems entirely illogical to me.

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03-19-2013, 05:12 PM
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I think this is/could be a deal that will go down.

But for cap reasons alone for the Nucks/Rangers to make a trade It will have to involve cap going back to NYR.

I'd seriously consider something around Edler for Gaborik

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03-19-2013, 05:42 PM
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Jarome Iginla isn't your run-of-the-mill 35-year-old. EVERY team in the NHL would want him. Every single one.

Gaborik may have more value to a non-contender, but not playoff contenders. And even some of the non-contenders would want one of the great captains in NHL history to suit up for their team.

I love Gaborik but he's a one-shot sniper. Great speed too, when he uses it. You can't compare that to what Iginla brings to the table. It's really not close.

Last night, the Flames were completely lifeless. Down 2-0 and looking pretty pathetic. Iginla fights Eakin. They get down 3-0 and take over the game for a fairly lengthy stretch. They didn't win the game, and Iginla didn't score, but he impacted that game in his typical way.

You can't get players like Jarome Iginla in their prime. They're simply not available.
I understand what Iginla is and no, he isn't your typical, run-of-the-mill 35 year old, but you're simply wrong if you think he commands more value than Gaborik with his age and declining play, even with the cap going down.

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I don't think Perry really changes anything atleast from our perspective.

He was never seriously on the market IMO, and we had no possibility of bringing him in either way.

Plus it is a bit different, Perry was a rental, there is a big commitment that needs to be made to Gaborik next season.

For us this makes no sense right now.
For Vancouver, maybe it doesn't make sense, but I'm speaking in an overall sense. Perry resigning drastically affects the market and Gaborik makes sense for a lot more teams than you think.

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I think this is/could be a deal that will go down.

But for cap reasons alone for the Nucks/Rangers to make a trade It will have to involve cap going back to NYR.

I'd seriously consider something around Edler for Gaborik
I would too as a Ranger fan, but you're high or out of this realm if you think Vancouver would.

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03-19-2013, 05:49 PM
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I think this is/could be a deal that will go down.

But for cap reasons alone for the Nucks/Rangers to make a trade It will have to involve cap going back to NYR.

I'd seriously consider something around Edler for Gaborik
Edler? Sign me up!

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03-19-2013, 05:55 PM
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I think this is/could be a deal that will go down.

But for cap reasons alone for the Nucks/Rangers to make a trade It will have to involve cap going back to NYR.

I'd seriously consider something around Edler for Gaborik
That is absolutely horrible.

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03-19-2013, 06:01 PM
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I think this is/could be a deal that will go down.

But for cap reasons alone for the Nucks/Rangers to make a trade It will have to involve cap going back to NYR.

I'd seriously consider something around Edler for Gaborik
Putrid for Vancouver. No way the Canucks do that

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03-19-2013, 06:42 PM
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I think this is/could be a deal that will go down.

But for cap reasons alone for the Nucks/Rangers to make a trade It will have to involve cap going back to NYR.

I'd seriously consider something around Edler for Gaborik


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I understand what Iginla is and no, he isn't your typical, run-of-the-mill 35 year old, but you're simply wrong if you think he commands more value than Gaborik with his age and declining play, even with the cap going down.



For Vancouver, maybe it doesn't make sense, but I'm speaking in an overall sense. Perry resigning drastically affects the market and Gaborik makes sense for a lot more teams than you think.



I would too as a Ranger fan, but you're high or out of this realm if you think Vancouver would.
I don't think it really has as big an affect as you do, Perry was a rental so he would likely cost less and it was easier to plan with him moving forward, having Gaborik at 7.5 Million next year will drive teams off.

And that aside who exactly do you think is interested in him? I mean which teams in your opinion are legitimately in the market for him.

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03-19-2013, 07:36 PM
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I don't get why so many Canucks posters are trying to sell off Edler. He's our best producing defensemen, and we want to trade him? Right now, he's one of two defensemen on the Canucks, Garrison being the other, that can play on the PP. Even then, our PP is still horrific, imagine without Edler?

In no way would I entertain Edler for Gaborik.

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what can we give for him?
not luongo, they already have a good goalie lol

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Canucks would probably have to flip Luongo/Schneider for pieces, then utilize those resources along with additional picks and players from our current roster to package a deal. Would be a long shot but an interesting scenario...

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I don't get why so many Canucks posters are trying to sell off Edler. He's our best producing defensemen, and we want to trade him? Right now, he's one of two defensemen on the Canucks, Garrison being the other, that can play on the PP. Even then, our PP is still horrific, imagine without Edler?

In no way would I entertain Edler for Gaborik.
I haven't seen any Canucks fan advocate Edler for Gaborik. Most of them are puking at the site of that.

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Guys we have no need for Gaborik. We have found our Sniper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdJfCbenDm0

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I haven't seen any Canucks fan advocate Edler for Gaborik. Most of them are puking at the site of that.
Yup. Losing our only real offensive presence on the back-end would be too much of a hit for us to take for Gabby.

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don't think we make it to the SCF final let alone the WCF with Gaborik instead of Kesler in 2011

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don't think we make it to the SCF final let alone the WCF with Gaborik instead of Kesler in 2011
No one is advocating trading Kesler for Gaborik.

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don't think we make it to the SCF final let alone the WCF with Gaborik instead of Kesler in 2011
We wouldn't even make it out of the first round if we had Gaborik instead of Kesler. There would be noone to shutdown Toews.

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I haven't seen any Canucks fan advocate Edler for Gaborik. Most of them are puking at the site of that.
There have been a couple recently, just a response to those. Reading my post again, clear I chose poor wording with "so many posters". But yes, most Canucks fans are, and should be getting sick at the thought of Edler for Gaborik.

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How about Gaborik to Red Wings? Any ideas from Rangers side?

It would be interesting to get this Slovakian National hero to be a leader for our Slovakian winger-prospects Tatar, Jurco and Tvrdon. Gaborik's impact for their development would be huge, just to be some kind of father figure for them.

Red Wings would survive with the high caphit at next season, and if Pavel is gone after 2014, then we could add some 1st line talent like Gaborik for that time.


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How about Gaborik to Red Wings? Any ideas from Rangers side?
Realistically (?) something with Filppula, a first and something else not a major piece necessarily though

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Realistically (?) something with Filppula, a first and something else not a major piece necessarily though
Any need for a puckmoving/2ndPP defenceman? White or Colaiacovo.

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So would there be more interest if the Rangers retained 2 million in salary and cap hit for next season? Gaborik @ 5.5 million for 1 more year.

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So would there be more interest if the Rangers retained 2 million in salary and cap hit for next season? Gaborik @ 5.5 million for 1 more year.
Yes, 100% but I think thats pretty obvious.

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Yes, 100% but I think thats pretty obvious.
So then what would other teams offer for Gaborik @ 5.5?

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