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03-20-2013, 03:12 PM
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With the Smid contract a potential issue, I wonder if Tambellini does take a flyer on Komisarek just as insurance in case he doesn't resign him. It's a downgrade I know.
That sounds like a classic Tambo move/ thought process.

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03-20-2013, 04:26 PM
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That sounds like a classic Tambo move/ thought process.
True I remember him doing that in the past or something.

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03-20-2013, 04:53 PM
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Or we could just pay Smid the same money that Komisarek is scheduled to get next year(4.5 million). I think he signed for 3.5-4 million.


That would be the logical thing to do; however, I'm not so sure logical and Tambellini belong in the same sentence.

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03-20-2013, 06:08 PM
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I asked Steve Tambellini if the Oilers would add a rental player to make a playoff push: "It's possible if we think it can help us."


Not that it's like groundbreaking news or anything, but at least he didn't say that he's still assessing what he's got and may not do anything at all.

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03-20-2013, 06:15 PM
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Picking up Komi and letting Smid walk is the definition of a tambo move.

"We didnt want to over pay or best defenseman so we picked up a crappy defenseman for more money"

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03-20-2013, 07:47 PM
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Wow the Tambo hate on here is pretty bad. I get that people want to hate on the guy but he has done a good job thus far of adding now without sacrificing the future.

Over the past year he's added Yakupov, Schultz, Fistric and Brown without losing anything. On paper we are better than we were last year. If he can do this every year I'm happy with him as our GM (outside of the 1st overall part).

Sure you would like to see him more active but he hasn't let anyone important walk. He managed to sign Eberle and Hall long term. I don't see Smid going anywhere.

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03-20-2013, 07:47 PM
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Picking up Komi and letting Smid walk is the definition of a tambo move.

"We didnt want to over pay or best defenseman so we picked up a crappy defenseman for more money"
When's he ever done that? I get that people don't like Tambo, but that's a little ridiculous to suggest

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03-20-2013, 08:02 PM
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Wow the Tambo hate on here is pretty bad. I get that people want to hate on the guy but he has done a good job thus far of adding now without sacrificing the future.

Over the past year he's added Yakupov, Schultz, Fistric and Brown without losing anything. On paper we are better than we were last year. If he can do this every year I'm happy with him as our GM (outside of the 1st overall part).

Sure you would like to see him more active but he hasn't let anyone important walk. He managed to sign Eberle and Hall long term. I don't see Smid going anywhere.
Prepare to get flamed for that positivity.

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03-20-2013, 11:10 PM
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Doug Riseborough taking it ANOTHER Oiler game. I think he's been at 4-5 already.

Although I think they are taking notes on Smid, I guarantee Ryan Whitney is their backup plan if they don't get Dan Boyle.

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03-20-2013, 11:18 PM
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Prepare to get flamed for that positivity.
Yeah it's only a matter of time before someone comes in here and says how useless he is. I don't think he's the best GM in the league by any stretch but I don't think he's as bad as other poster make him out to be. Signing UFAs isn't as easy as most people think and the Oilers are actually pretty active on the trade front relative to other teams. The NHL is a no trade league lol.

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03-21-2013, 12:28 AM
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Rumors that Babcock might be on the outs in Detroit. Please come here Mike. Bring Jim Nill with you.

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Rumors that Babcock might be on the outs in Detroit. Please come here Mike. Bring Jim Nill with you.
Everyone praises Babcock and I gave him the benefit of the doubt myself, but it's obvious his team was the reason they did so well. Lose Lidstrom and they look average.

He never made the wings the team they were, the team made him. He himself said he had one way to coach and the team showed him that their way was better.

As for Komisarek, not sure who said it but apparently the Leafs were willing to take half his salary in a trade. This move just appears to be for him to go to the Marlies and get his game back.

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03-21-2013, 08:12 AM
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OKC needs help, time to waive Peckham and use that roster spot on another forward.

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03-21-2013, 08:32 AM
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OKC needs help, time to waive Peckham and use that roster spot on another forward.
He won't get there, better to make a trade.

To FLA: Peckham, Plante, VV and Byers

To EDM: Goc, Yonkman and Deveux

Edit: Besides you're better off waiving Potter.

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03-21-2013, 08:38 AM
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He won't get there, better to make a trade.

To FLA: Peckham, Plante, VV and Byers

To EDM: Goc, Yonkman and Deveux

Edit: Besides you're better off waiving Potter.
I don't think they waive Potter. They seem to like him more than Peckham.

Although I'd look at something like you suggested. I do think at some point there is some sort of trade at the AHL level.

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Boychuk back to Carolina. Komi clears.

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03-21-2013, 11:23 AM
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Wow the Tambo hate on here is pretty bad. I get that people want to hate on the guy but he has done a good job thus far of adding now without sacrificing the future.

Over the past year he's added Yakupov, Schultz, Fistric and Brown without losing anything. On paper we are better than we were last year. If he can do this every year I'm happy with him as our GM (outside of the 1st overall part).

Sure you would like to see him more active but he hasn't let anyone important walk. He managed to sign Eberle and Hall long term. I don't see Smid going anywhere.
we all could have drafted Yakupov, Schultz from rumors and such, was lured here from players on the team, and former players, and we were a prime destination for him. IF fistric and brown are your 2 major upgrades to help build the second worse team in the league, until a more stronger, powerful, smarter, more sound hockey team. Than I don't know anymore on what to do. Real GM's are ones like Alex Anthopolous of the Toronto Blue Jays, Loaded up on prospects, and when the time was right, built himself a real team. No one knows how that will pan out, but atleast the effor is there. Anyone of us can sit on our hands and draft 3 strait number 1's.

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03-21-2013, 11:30 AM
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we all could have drafted Yakupov, Schultz from rumors and such, was lured here from players on the team, and former players, and we were a prime destination for him. IF fistric and brown are your 2 major upgrades to help build the second worse team in the league, until a more stronger, powerful, smarter, more sound hockey team. Than I don't know anymore on what to do. Real GM's are ones like Alex Anthopolous of the Toronto Blue Jays, Loaded up on prospects, and when the time was right, built himself a real team. No one knows how that will pan out, but atleast the effor is there. Anyone of us can sit on our hands and draft 3 strait number 1's.
I'm getting so sick of people saying Tambo didn't do anything to get Schultz. Do you think Gretzky just calls up random free agents and tells them to sign with Edmonton? How about Hall. Does he fly around the continent and try to land every free agent? No. Just because Tambo was smart enough to use everything at his disposal to land Schultz, doesn't mean that he had no impact on his decision

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03-21-2013, 11:33 AM
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Real GM's are ones like Alex Anthopolous of the Toronto Blue Jays, Loaded up on prospects, and when the time was right, built himself a real team. No one knows how that will pan out, but atleast the effort is there.
You do know that baseball isn't hockey right? The number of transactions in the MLB greatly outsize that of the NHL. And the types of trades that happen in baseball don't happen in hockey.

Name an NHL trade that any GM made in the last 10 years that resembles the Toronto trade:

"Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, John Buck, Emilio Bonifacio and cash considerations to Toronto for Yunel Escobar, Adeiny Hechavarria, Henderson Alvarez, Jeff Mathis, Justin Nicolino, Anthony Desclafani and Jake Marisnick."

Different sport, different dynamics and a different way you have to GM.

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we all could have drafted Yakupov, Schultz from rumors and such, was lured here from players on the team, and former players, and we were a prime destination for him. IF fistric and brown are your 2 major upgrades to help build the second worse team in the league, until a more stronger, powerful, smarter, more sound hockey team. Than I don't know anymore on what to do. Real GM's are ones like Alex Anthopolous of the Toronto Blue Jays, Loaded up on prospects, and when the time was right, built himself a real team. No one knows how that will pan out, but atleast the effor is there. Anyone of us can sit on our hands and draft 3 strait number 1's.
Maybe the time isn't right...

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You do know that baseball isn't hockey right? The number of transactions in the MLB greatly outsize that of the NHL. And the types of trades that happen in baseball don't happen in hockey.

Name an NHL trade that any GM made in the last 10 years that resembles the Toronto trade:

"Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, John Buck, Emilio Bonifacio and cash considerations to Toronto for Yunel Escobar, Adeiny Hechavarria, Henderson Alvarez, Jeff Mathis, Justin Nicolino, Anthony Desclafani and Jake Marisnick."

Different sport, different dynamics and a different way you have to GM.
I think you missed my point, we have a team loaded with prospects, and young players, I am not saying trade all 7 of them, for a quality roster, but instead of sitting on all these players, waiting for them to develop, maybe look around the league and see what we can get for a few of them. When was the last time we traded a player away with any sort of potential?

He is proactive, and knew he didnít have a team that could win now, so he built and built and built, and then when he thought the time was right, started trading, and trying to improve. If you look at this season, and the points we could have taken, I think the team could be a lot closer, if we tried to make some trades to improve this team, not just sitting on our hands, I am sure a faceoff specialist, or another Dman, could have been something pursued, maybe it has, maybe it hasnít. but expecting to build a team through a draft, on a 7 year plan. I donít get it.

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Maybe the time isn't right...
It's hard to tell, is it the team, that can't win games and protect leads? is it the fact, we are still playing with 3/4 of an AHL roster, I don't know, I don't get paid to figure this out, who ever does, needs to figure it out.

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I'm getting so sick of people saying Tambo didn't do anything to get Schultz. Do you think Gretzky just calls up random free agents and tells them to sign with Edmonton? How about Hall. Does he fly around the continent and try to land every free agent? No. Just because Tambo was smart enough to use everything at his disposal to land Schultz, doesn't mean that he had no impact on his decision
I agree, Every Free agent you pursue you should be rolling out the red carpet for, just cause it worked on one player, doesn't mean he should be praised for it. Did he facilitate the efforts of everyone, most likely it's his job too.

I still have this sneaky suspicion anyways that J.Shultz only came here cause he knew he could get his minutes in

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I don't think they waive Potter. They seem to like him more than Peckham.

Although I'd look at something like you suggested. I do think at some point there is some sort of trade at the AHL level.
That, and I think they could stand to move out some contracts now, so they can sign kids and College UFAs.

It doesn't to be a ton of them, but they are further along then some of the draft picks (low draft picks) that you would move to get rid of contracts.

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I think you missed my point, we have a team loaded with prospects, and young players, I am not saying trade all 7 of them, for a quality roster, but instead of sitting on all these players, waiting for them to develop, maybe look around the league and see what we can get for a few of them. When was the last time we traded a player away with any sort of potential?
And what makes you think he isn't? Don't assume lack of action is due to lack of trying. Understand that the hockey trade market isn't conducive to the type of action you're talking about and alluding to in your Blue Jays example. Further, give some examples of these types of trades happening in the league? There are a few but nothing to suggest that making them is easy.

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He is proactive, and knew he didnít have a team that could win now, so he built and built and built, and then when he thought the time was right, started trading, and trying to improve. If you look at this season, and the points we could have taken, I think the team could be a lot closer, if we tried to make some trades to improve this team, not just sitting on our hands, I am sure a faceoff specialist, or another Dman, could have been something pursued, maybe it has, maybe it hasnít. but expecting to build a team through a draft, on a 7 year plan. I donít get it.
How can you assume any of this? That trades weren't made. Maybe they couldn't be made. The last offseason was right before the end of the CBA, which led to the lockout - there was little trade action, obviously. How many trades are ever made early in the season and well before the lockout?

Understand that in hockey and in the current market, deals are exceptionally hard to make. Big power forwards, puck moving Dmen, faceoff specialists, etc. don't just grow on trees. And can cost a relatively significant amount. Personally, I'm glad that management isn't so myopic in their focus.

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