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03-21-2013, 02:42 PM
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You'd assume that with JT Miller and Christian Thomas, a guy like Hagelin could be dealt if the right deal arose, like Boyle+Clowe+Murray etc etc for Hagelin+Del Zotto+a mid round pick etc.
Nope, apparently NYR fans believe Hagelin is as untouchable as 93-94' Mark Messier

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03-21-2013, 02:43 PM
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Well, for us it does. No way in hell do the Rangers do that.
Well I didn't mean it as a straight up deal, just the core pieces. I think we'd have to add to it as well.

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03-21-2013, 02:45 PM
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You'd assume that with JT Miller and Christian Thomas, a guy like Hagelin could be dealt if the right deal arose, like Boyle+Clowe+Murray etc etc for Hagelin+Del Zotto+a mid round pick etc.
Nope, apparently NYR fans believe Hagelin is as untouchable as 93-94' Mark Messier
I like how Boyle and Clowe are only worth Gaborik. When they would be worth 2 picks 2 prospects and a top 6 forward.

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03-21-2013, 02:49 PM
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I like how Boyle and Clowe are only worth Gaborik. When they would be worth 2 picks 2 prospects and a top 6 forward.
Apparently since Boyle is 36, he has mediocre value at best because his skill set is eroding rapidly. All of us watch on a nightly basis that he's a core pillar of this team and a elite puck moving d.

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The biggest mistake we made on the burns trade is that we didnt have 7 top six forwards anymore.

so you run into the same problem we had before the burns trade if you move boyle.

unless the return is a top 6 forward, we cant really negotiate i dont think. we dont really threaten from our third line, nor do we have fill ins that can actually do damage with top 6 minutes.

so you either

A. fully convert burns back to forward and go with status quo.
B. move burns back to D, move boyle for a top six forward and prospect (least favorable)
C. keep boyle, promote demers to the second pairing long term, keep burns at forward and move clowe/murray for one higher tier top 6 and transition back to pavs at 3c

couture-jt-burns
new forward-marleau-havlat
wingels-pavs-sheppard
desi-burish-galiardi

boyle/irwin
stuart/demers
vlasic/braun
petrecki

or
boyle/stuart
vlasic/demers
irwin/braun
petrecki

personally I like option C.

we could also keep clowe as the seto role, but i think he has bottomed out as a truly effective player in todays NHL. and lining him up with pavelski will likely negate any benefit from that third line in terms of zone time and defensive ability.

so to recap: I say, keep burns as a forward. move clowe and murray. promote demers long term and see what he can do.

if boyle is our only tradeable asset right now, the return has to be a top six forward or a potential #1D (burns in top six). burns can still operate as PP QB, as well as pavelski, we lose some of that one man break out ability, but demers and braun are both capable, just stunted due to poor management.

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03-21-2013, 02:59 PM
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Well, for us it does. No way in hell do the Rangers do that.
Only if DW can sell Sather on why he need toughness for a playoff run, like Boyle, Clowe, Murray and a 1st for Hagelin and Del Zotto.

But honestly, if Sather does not want to get swindled, he would demand, at least:

Boyle + Pavs for Hagelin and Del Zotto.

Would you guys do that? Nevermind if NYR would.

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Main board says Philly is shopping Talbot.

Talbot for Murray+?

Seems like it'd be good for us. Talbot can hop in the top 6 right away, he's under 30, and has a few years left at a very friendly cap hit.

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Main board says Philly is shopping Talbot.

Talbot for Murray+?

Seems like it'd be good for us. Talbot can hop in the top 6 right away, he's under 30, and has a few years left at a very friendly cap hit.
Does Philly want a physical PK specialist #6/#7 dman? If they do and will swap Talbot, sure!!

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03-21-2013, 03:03 PM
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Really hate the Gaborik talk. Do not want him at all but it is a DW move....sigh.

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Main board says Philly is shopping Talbot.

Talbot for Murray+?

Seems like it'd be good for us. Talbot can hop in the top 6 right away, he's under 30, and has a few years left at a very friendly cap hit.
It would probably be Demers rather than Murray. They need PMD not stay at home shot blockers.

Just my opinion.

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Really hate the Gaborik talk. Do not want him at all but it is a DW move....sigh.
Agreed, I really don't want to have him on the sharks, especially at the cost of Boyle.

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Really hate the Gaborik talk. Do not want him at all but it is a DW move....sigh.
Honestly it does and that's why I'm concerned. It will essentially be Heatley 2.0.

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DW didn't bite on Nash, so I have faith he won't with Gaborik either.



And if Demers gets traded I'm gonna blow a gasket.

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DW didn't bite on Nash, so I have faith he won't with Gaborik either.



And if Demers gets traded I'm gonna blow a gasket.
Just my opinion on what Philly would ask for Talbot. Or maybe they want a goalie in which case we have nothing to offer.

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Honestly it does and that's why I'm concerned. It will essentially be Heatley 2.0.
gabs is three times the player heatley is, hes just made of glass and has questionable work ethic.

That said, its not a move the sharks should make at this point since Boyle is still the pillar of the Defense. If Demers was playing 18 minutes a night at this point and running the PP...maybe you do it.

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Really hate the Gaborik talk. Do not want him at all but it is a DW move....sigh.
I'd think he would have learned his lesson by now after the Heatley and Havlat deals.

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Really hate the Gaborik talk. Do not want him at all but it is a DW move....sigh.
Seriously, my fear/concern is that he wants Gaborik/Iginla. I know there is a huge difference between the two, but he is obsessed with previously proven guys with question marks instead of trading for the guy who is a 15 goal scorer that has potential to be a 40+ goal scorer.

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Seriously, my fear/concern is that he wants Gaborik/Iginla. I know there is a huge difference between the two, but he is obsessed with previously proven guys with question marks instead of trading for the guy who is a 15 goal scorer that has potential to be a 40+ goal scorer.
I'd be more concerned if the team were near or at the top of the conference and in prime position to compete for the Cup. I hope even DW can see this team may sneak into the playoffs but a long playoff run is highly unlikely.

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According to hockey insider the "Wings are interested in Clowe. Hearing a Filppula-for-Clowe swap is being discussed".

Dont know the credibility of this site. is it a Hockeybuzz 2.0?

regardless, good move or not???

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Main board says Philly is shopping Talbot.

Talbot for Murray+?

Seems like it'd be good for us. Talbot can hop in the top 6 right away, he's under 30, and has a few years left at a very friendly cap hit.
Would be nice having our bottom 6 players locked up long term.

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According to hockey insider the "Wings are interested in Clowe. Hearing a Filppula-for-Clowe swap is being discussed".

Dont know the credibility of this site. is it a Hockeybuzz 2.0?

regardless, good move or not???


In before the obligatory "I'll pick up Filppula from the airport myself" post.

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It would probably be Demers rather than Murray. They need PMD not stay at home shot blockers.

Just my opinion.
Yeah... Just don't want to give up Demers. But you know what. I might do it anyway. Our forwards are terrible. Make the trade, trade Murray and Clowe for picks and maybe young forward.


Couture - Thorton - (Filppula for Clowe?)
Havlat - Marleau - Wingels
Talbot - Pavelski - Gomez
Burish - Desjardins - Sheppard

Burns Vlasic
Boyle Irwin
Stuart Braun

Fire Tmac. Make a run in the playoffs.

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According to hockey insider the "Wings are interested in Clowe. Hearing a Filppula-for-Clowe swap is being discussed".

Dont know the credibility of this site. is it a Hockeybuzz 2.0?

regardless, good move or not???
Yeah, I'd do it.

Also I just read on Hockeybuzz that we need Lubo Visnovsky in a big way then we will trade Boyle.#smartestthingiveheardallday

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Yeah... Just don't want to give up Demers. But you know what. I might do it anyway. Our forwards are terrible. Make the trade, trade Murray and Clowe for picks and maybe young forward..
I wouldn't, especially not at the cost of Demers. Talbot would improve the bottom-6, but that's about it. The Sharks need another Top-6, and he's not a Top-6 player. Personnel wise, our bottom-6 is actually decent, plus I wouldn't really trust Talbot's inflated Philly numbers.

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According to hockey insider the "Wings are interested in Clowe. Hearing a Filppula-for-Clowe swap is being discussed".

Dont know the credibility of this site. is it a Hockeybuzz 2.0?
Pretty much. Not reliable at all.

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According to hockey insider the "Wings are interested in Clowe. Hearing a Filppula-for-Clowe swap is being discussed".

Dont know the credibility of this site. is it a Hockeybuzz 2.0?

regardless, good move or not???
I put him slightly above Eklund reliability wise, but not much.

That being said, I don't see why DET would make this move. Both are pending UFAs and we all know how terrible Clowe has been this season.

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