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03-21-2013, 02:40 PM
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I remember when he first came over and was at camp in the summer he had everyone freaking out, he looked really good, so much for him!

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03-21-2013, 03:22 PM
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Yet another great talent trashed by the organisation. Couldve accounted to something good but heh...
Great talent lol, the guy never even played for his U20 national team, he was overhyped cause he is Russian... you know, everybody knows Russians have upside..

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03-21-2013, 03:44 PM
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21 years old.

109th Overall.

People here are talking like we're Tampa Bay wondering what happened to Alex Svitov

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03-21-2013, 03:59 PM
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Just for shirts and googolplexes, I'm gonna say he turns it around. I'll be the only one to say it so I can get all the kudos if I'm right.

It's a very low risk/high reward post.

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03-21-2013, 04:25 PM
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Just for shirts and googolplexes, I'm gonna say he turns it around. I'll be the only one to say it so I can get all the kudos if I'm right.

It's a very low risk/high reward post.
I will be the first to give you an internet high five.

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03-21-2013, 04:26 PM
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He was rushed to North American Pro hockey in hindsight. Should have stayed in the KHL or at least went to the Q until he was 20. His season in the KHL as a 18 year old was pretty good (better than Collberg's in the SEL for example). He was good in the camps too, scored in the main camp scrimmages a few times.

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03-21-2013, 04:36 PM
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Was still a good draft pick. You got to go for the homerun from time to time.

But there is a reason he was drafted where he was. I think the Habs could have handled him better (he should have been left in Russia longer and Lefebvre would rather play a goon than Europeans this year), but it's likely he wouldn't have made the NHL no matter what.

Oh well, maybe we will have better luck with Nystrom or Pribyl.

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Just for shirts and googolplexes, I'm gonna say he turns it around. I'll be the only one to say it so I can get all the kudos if I'm right.
You never know, but even if he does, I can see him avoiding North America after this experience. I think we can say he will never play for the Habs at this point, but perhaps another team will have luck with him someday.

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03-21-2013, 04:43 PM
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Along with the Alexander Avtsin move, Hamilton also assigned Daultan Leveille and Antoine Corbin to San Francisco of the ECHL.

They also signed Dean Ouellet and Alex Belzile to Tryout contracts.

Can anyone tell me anything about these guys? The dogs site says Ouellet is 25 and played at UdeMoncton and the ECHL. Belzile is 21 and led the Rimouski Oceanic in scoring last year.

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It is not his fault that the coach hates him.

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03-21-2013, 05:12 PM
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It is not his fault that the coach hates him.
It is, actually.

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03-21-2013, 05:17 PM
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Ya. Lets blame every coach he ever had.

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Along with the Alexander Avtsin move, Hamilton also assigned Daultan Leveille and Antoine Corbin to San Francisco of the ECHL.

They also signed Dean Ouellet and Alex Belzile to Tryout contracts.

Can anyone tell me anything about these guys? The dogs site says Ouellet is 25 and played at UdeMoncton and the ECHL. Belzile is 21 and led the Rimouski Oceanic in scoring last year.
Both 5' 11" and weighing 180 pounds.

We need more small players.

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03-21-2013, 05:20 PM
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Ya. Lets blame every coach he ever had.
No but he did show progress this year that was squandered by the Dogs joke of a coach. He'd probably flop anyway though.

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Both 5' 11" and weighing 180 pounds.

We need more small players.
We should cut Gallagher and replace him with 6'2" Avtsin.

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No but he did show progress this year that was squandered by the Dogs joke of a coach. He'd probably flop anyway though.



We should cut Gallagher and replace him with 6'2" Avtsin.


A team filled with talented undersized players will not succeed.

A team filled with non-skilled grinders will not succeed.

Balance.

But you know that.

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03-21-2013, 05:34 PM
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A team filled with talented undersized players will not succeed.

A team filled with non-skilled grinders will not succeed.

Balance.

But you know that.
The Dogs are pretty stacked when it comes to grinders though. And you are more likely to find a hidden gem who is "too small" than a big guy.

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I've seen him play only a few times but he looked like the sterotypical russian you can tell he has all kinds of skill but floated around alot and accomplished nothing. In hindsight they should of left him in russia like they did with Emelin

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03-21-2013, 05:48 PM
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No but he did show progress this year that was squandered by the Dogs joke of a coach. He'd probably flop anyway though.
Fair enough but I was referring to his many coaches over the years and not just the current one.

Avtsin, Trunev, etc... all 5th round steals, late round gems. Studs in the making. Ya ya. I'm not surprised.

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03-21-2013, 05:59 PM
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These aren't busts. Avtsin was a mix of being put in the wrong situation, being overhyped and coming up short. I wouldn't say all the blame is put on him, but it's safe to say that he's under performed. What I'd like to see is him go back to the KHL, tear it up, and pull an Emelin where he comes back an excellent player in our Top 6. What I do think will happen is that he'll probably carve himself a nice career in the KHL. It's really hard being a 19 year old shipped across the world, and expected to be "the next Ovechkin".


Although I do wonder what would happen if he were given a trial with the Habs. A part of me thinks that if he was given one game with good minutes, good linemates, etc., he'd really shine. But with a nice stock of prospects and a successful team this year, the Habs don't really gain much from that experiment.

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03-21-2013, 07:43 PM
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Although I do wonder what would happen if he were given a trial with the Habs. A part of me thinks that if he was given one game with good minutes, good linemates, etc., he'd really shine. But with a nice stock of prospects and a successful team this year, the Habs don't really gain much from that experiment.
Honestly he couldn't even "shine" with good minutes in the AHL. I understand the power of motivation, but after three years, Avtsin should have understood he needed to perform in the minors first. I don't buy that he wasn't given opportunities by two (three?) different coaches.

It's sad, really, but hey, our late picks can't all turn into NHL regulars.

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03-21-2013, 07:50 PM
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Honestly he couldn't even "shine" with good minutes in the AHL. I understand the power of motivation, but after three years, Avtsin should have understood he needed to perform in the minors first. I don't buy that he wasn't given opportunities by two (three?) different coaches.

It's sad, really, but hey, our late picks can't all turn into NHL regulars.
I agree with the last part. But I can't help but think that he was thrust int a whole new place, a whole new game (EU vs. NA hockey) and then when he didn't rip it up off the bat, he was benched, then demoted. But it's very possible he just stopped progressing. There's a reason he's a fourth rounder, not a top 3 pick, despite the chance that he could've had the skillset and success of a top pick.

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03-21-2013, 08:52 PM
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First, if ever, we are not talking about a majority here who wanted to see Avtsin on our first line...Come on, what,s the point in bringing a point that 2 or 3 people talked about....

Then...who here know FIRST HAND how great a prospect he is? People have just watched his stats in the MHL and though he was Ovechkin. He was picked in the 5th round. Timmins though that Avtsin had THE POTENTIAL to be a gem. Just like Timmins thought that Valentenko was a better Emelin. So...if a head scout can make mistake, why the heck would posters not be allowed to make some...This board sometimes.

Now, the reality of that prospect was that he had indeed the potential to be a very good offensive player....but had to work EVERYTHING else to a great degree. What he showed is that he does have indeed some great instincts. But doesn't use his body enough, isn't especially solid as far as his balance is concerned, and his defensive game is not remotely good enough. It's still not done...though, it doesn't look all that great. The idea was to indeed get him home and work on things and then see if there's a future. Though, we all know what will happen if that is the idea.

For a 4th rounder, it was a good pick. And I say that even if I was a big Gabriel Bourque fan. But to be able to get an offensively very good potential, it was worth it.

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03-21-2013, 09:12 PM
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Great talent lol, the guy never even played for his U20 national team, he was overhyped cause he is Russian... you know, everybody knows Russians have upside..
He has talent. He shouldve been groomed to be a good player.

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He has talent. He shouldve been groomed to be a good player.
He's not a pokemon.

If he can't push himself to consistent NHL quality he's not making it.

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03-22-2013, 01:08 PM
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When he was drafted, he was not considered a "safe" pick. It was a high risk selection that could have paid some major dividends. You cant expect success every time you swing for the fences. Barring a really nice story, this particular pick didn't pay off. It happens. Time to move on.

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