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03-21-2013, 06:02 PM
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Hall is last, right?
Looks like no one is agreeing with him. Oops.

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03-21-2013, 06:05 PM
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It's way too early to come to conclusions on things like this for those guys. If we had done this for Stamkos or Tavares early on they'd have been near the bottom of the list.
Random off-topic, but I've always wondered what your avatar is a picture of. I've tried to decipher exactly what it is, but the picture is just too small for me to see. Would ye be able to shed some insight unto my blind eyes?

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03-21-2013, 06:11 PM
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Random off-topic, but I've always wondered what your avatar is a picture of. I've tried to decipher exactly what it is, but the picture is just too small for me to see. Would ye be able to shed some insight unto my blind eyes?
There's a building in Edmonton with a picture of the 5 Cup Rings on it's side

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03-21-2013, 06:13 PM
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Looks like no one is agreeing with him. Oops.
Woops. The only ones seemingly ranked worse than Hall are our own players. And Stefan.

This means from 1997-2010 other than Patrik Stefan Hall is the least skilled 1st overall taken. Point proven.

My original notion of him being the "least talented 1st overall since Patrick Stefan" holds up.

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03-21-2013, 06:17 PM
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The conversation starts with Crosby and Kane IMO. Both always seem to have complete control of the puck and what they can do with it.

Ovechkin and Kovalchuk are similar in that they're skilled, but it's really their physical talent (size, strength, speed, explosiveness) that allow them to showcase their skill.

I'd complete a list, but Michigan just tipped off and I'd have to think about it for a moment.

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03-21-2013, 06:20 PM
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Personally, here's how I'd put it

1) Crosby
2) Ovechkin
3) Kane
4) Kovalchuk
5) Stamkos
6) Nash
7) Tavares
8) Lecavalier
9) Thornton
10) Yakupov
11) RNH
12) Hall
13) Stefan

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03-21-2013, 06:23 PM
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Hockey sense isn't necessarily a skill, so how is Crosby #1?

yes he's the best player - no doubt... but Kovalchuk has a better shot and skating ability, and I assume that counts for a lot of "skill".

I'm not trying to argue, but do I not have a point?
Crosby dominates because of his brain, not his pure skill. That said, he's still incredibly skilled.. i just wouldn't say he's the best purely based off that one word.

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03-21-2013, 06:26 PM
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Crosby
Ovechkin
Thornton
Tavares
Stamkos
Kovalchuk
Kane
Lecavalier
Nash
RNH
Hall
Yakupov
Stefan

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03-21-2013, 06:26 PM
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Hockey sense isn't necessarily a skill, so how is Crosby #1?

yes he's the best player - no doubt... but Kovalchuk has a better shot and skating ability, and I assume that counts for a lot of "skill".

I'm not trying to argue, but do I not have a point?
Crosby dominates because of his brain, not his pure skill. That said, he's still incredibly skilled.. i just wouldn't say he's the best purely based off that one word.
Crosby dominates because of skill, physical talent, and hockey sense.

When it comes to Kovy, shot power and explosive/power skating are physical talent IMO. Shot release and accuracy I classify as skill though.

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03-21-2013, 06:58 PM
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Woops. The only ones seemingly ranked worse than Hall are our own players. And Stefan.

This means from 1997-2010 other than Patrik Stefan Hall is the least skilled 1st overall taken. Point proven.

My original notion of him being the "least talented 1st overall since Patrick Stefan" holds up.
Based on what? An internet poll where 1 or 2 agree with you. Yeah, talk about empirical fact. It doesn't matter if it's our "own" players. We're talking about Hall. No one is agreeing with you. Again.

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03-21-2013, 07:05 PM
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Where's DiPietro?

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03-21-2013, 07:23 PM
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Based on what? An internet poll where 1 or 2 agree with you. Yeah, talk about empirical fact. It doesn't matter if it's our "own" players. We're talking about Hall. No one is agreeing with you. Again.
Why don't you stick the Oilers board if you don't like this thread? This reminds me of the other thread where Oiler fans tried to compare Hall to Tavares

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03-21-2013, 07:30 PM
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Crosby
Ovechkin
Malkin
Stamkos
Kovalchuk
Thorton
Lecavalier
Kane
Tavares
Nash
Hall
Yakupov
RNH
Stefan
Malkin was second overall behind Oveckin

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03-21-2013, 08:20 PM
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Any list that has Lecavalier over Kane can be immediately dismissed as illegitimate.

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03-21-2013, 08:49 PM
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Stamkos is rated really low on a few lists...

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Stamkos is rated really low on a few lists...
He should be around the mid-bottom half.

In terms of skill anyone ranking Stamkos over Lecavalier clearly didn't/don't watch either players. Vinny's tool box in his prime was much bigger than Stamkos'.

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03-21-2013, 09:49 PM
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1.Ovechkin
2.Kane
3.Crosby
4.Nash
5.Kovalchuk
6.Lecavalier
7.Tavares
8.RNH
9.Yakupov
10.Stamkos
11.Thornton
12.Hall
13.Stefan

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03-21-2013, 09:50 PM
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1) Crosby
2) kane
3) ovechkin
4) Kovalchuk
5) Stamkos
6) Nash
7) Tavares
8) Lecavalier
9) Thornton
10) Yakupov
11) RNH
12) Hall
13) Stefan

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03-21-2013, 09:57 PM
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Hockey sense isn't necessarily a skill, so how is Crosby #1?

yes he's the best player - no doubt... but Kovalchuk has a better shot and skating ability, and I assume that counts for a lot of "skill".

I'm not trying to argue, but do I not have a point?
Crosby dominates because of his brain, not his pure skill. That said, he's still incredibly skilled.. i just wouldn't say he's the best purely based off that one word.
You have a point. But I do believe that Crosby has better passing, and skating than Kovalchuk. Kovalchuk has a better shot though.

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03-21-2013, 10:13 PM
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Hall and stefan are last

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03-22-2013, 12:14 AM
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Hockey sense isn't necessarily a skill, so how is Crosby #1?

yes he's the best player - no doubt... but Kovalchuk has a better shot and skating ability, and I assume that counts for a lot of "skill".

I'm not trying to argue, but do I not have a point?
Crosby dominates because of his brain, not his pure skill. That said, he's still incredibly skilled.. i just wouldn't say he's the best purely based off that one word.
Skating ability shouldn't count, according to OP (working on the guideline that speed is not considered a skill, and speed is essentially a function of skating ability). Honestly, I'm not sure why these weird categories need to exist; we've got the specific attributes (shooting, stickhandling, etc) and the overall result (simply how effective a player is). Throwing in middleman categories that are difficult to define doesn't make much sense to me. e.g. if we're calling shooting a skill, it's still closely-linked to strength (which is not a skill); and stickhandling is dependant somewhat on skating ability, etc. although most of this "skill" stuff is essentially dexterity and hand-eye coordination

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Hockey sense isn't necessarily a skill, so how is Crosby #1?

yes he's the best player - no doubt... but Kovalchuk has a better shot and skating ability, and I assume that counts for a lot of "skill".

I'm not trying to argue, but do I not have a point?
Crosby dominates because of his brain, not his pure skill. That said, he's still incredibly skilled.. i just wouldn't say he's the best purely based off that one word.
Crosby's hand-eye coordination is ridiculous. I've never seen a player take so many passes in his feet, kick it up to his stick, and keep skating at full speed without even breaking stride. He can also feather passes through multiple sticks and onto the tape of a teammate as good or better than anyone in the league. I'd say both of those count as "skill".

Even if he had "average" hockey sense, he'd be pretty damn good with the puck on his stick.

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How can I judge talent without results?

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Where's DiPietro?
with Fluery and Johnson because they are not fowards

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How can I judge talent without results?
your eyes

edit: Kovy and Kane are wayyyyy too low on some people's lists

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