HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Ottawa Senators
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Ottawa Senators 2013-2014 lineup

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
03-20-2013, 11:45 PM
  #51
Rals
Registered User
 
Rals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,697
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by koreaboy View Post
Please identify for me a situation where semin was an impact player, a leader, a key cog, for a team in the crunch during playoffs.
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/show...5v5&type=corsi

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/20...emin-arguments

I bet you think Russian's should have segregated bathrooms.


I just wish we got him last year when his price was way lower...


Last edited by Rals: 03-20-2013 at 11:51 PM.
Rals is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-20-2013, 11:46 PM
  #52
Novak Djokovic
#12 and counting...
 
Novak Djokovic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 20,712
vCash: 500
Why would you wanna trade Methot? Seriously? This guy is paid $2.75 million, and he's good enough to be on our #1 pair.

This team seriously needs an elite winger for Spezza in order to be a Cup contender. Also, Gonchar or a similar replacement is also needed on the back-end.

Novak Djokovic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-20-2013, 11:55 PM
  #53
ReginKarlssonLehner
Let's Win It All
 
ReginKarlssonLehner's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 27,926
vCash: 500
Lmao, the guy is saying to trade our most consistent defender, loooooooooool.

Regardless. I pray Ottawa makes a huge pitch for Bobby Ryan.

1st+Michalek+DaCosta

For Ryan+Prospect

Silfverberg-Spezza-Ryan
Latendresse-Turris-Alfredsson
Condra-Zibanejad-Neil
Greening-Smith-Regin
Kassian

Karlsson-Methot
Cowen-Gryba
Phillips-Wiercioch
2Chainz

Anderson
Lehner

I'd even change the trade to Wiercioch+1st+DaCosta+Greening

ReginKarlssonLehner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-20-2013, 11:58 PM
  #54
CanadianHockey
Smith - Alfie
 
CanadianHockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Petawawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 29,768
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by KarlssonnSchultz View Post
Sens/Oilers fan here. I guess the n basically just means and. The word and in the middle didn't look good and for some reason I didn't want it to have just the two names. I also just like the look of it a bit better.


Quote:
Originally Posted by MandyAlwaysKnows View Post
Trade Bishop, Michalek and Methot. Get Matt Read in the process (+ other stuff as well).
Why?

This is a big downgrade, unless the + other stuff as well is a great second line forward or a top-3 defenceman.

__________________
CanadianHockey_________ _ _ _ _ _______Sens, Oilers, and Team Canada

Last edited by CanadianHockey: 03-21-2013 at 12:05 AM. Reason: Added emphasis to the question.
CanadianHockey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 12:02 AM
  #55
Curtinho
Spero Meliora
 
Curtinho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 22,224
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by koreaboy View Post
Please identify for me a situation where semin was an impact player, a leader, a key cog, for a team in the crunch during playoffs.
Why does it have to be during the playoffs?

Anyway, I can identify him as an impact player in the playoffs by virtue of having 34 points in 51 playoff games with 15 goals on top of which being a very good two-way player and one of the more underrated defensive forwards in the league. Off the top of my head I know that he scored the OT winner against the Rangers in the playoffs I think two years ago before their whole team went to ****.

Also I believe that in the World Championships in the Gold medal game against Canada he scored two goals and an assist being the point leader in that game for Russia and being the gamebreaker that lead them to the Gold.

That's just off the top of my head.

EDIT: Just looked it up and he scored 2 goals and an assist in helping Russia win the Gold medal in the WC again in 2012 (they spelled his name SYOMIN for some reason).

Semin is one of the most talented players in the league. Is Alfredsson the kind of player you win with? Is Spezza? Is Callahan? Is Backes? Parise? Weber? These guys are all viewed as great leaders but haven't won anything. Only Spezza and Alfredsson are as good as Semin...and realistically speaking Semin is just as talented as either of them.


Last edited by Curtinho: 03-21-2013 at 12:09 AM.
Curtinho is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 04:18 AM
  #56
Step
GO SENS GO
 
Step's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,673
vCash: 2550
Sorry, I like fatty but there's no way you put the Tenderness on the top line.

__________________
Step is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 05:57 AM
  #57
WhiteLight*
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 16,082
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanadianHockey View Post
Why?

This is a big downgrade, unless the + other stuff as well is a great second line forward or a top-3 defenceman.
If the + can be a young 2nd line LW, that would be great (then replace Latendresse with him). But that's too much to ask IMO.

Also, if you're saying Michalek to Read is a big downgrade, then no, that's wrong.

WhiteLight* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 09:52 AM
  #58
Pellegrino
Registered User
 
Pellegrino's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sweden
Country: Sweden
Posts: 904
vCash: 500
Watched most Senators games this season. I think you should keep all players (exception being Bishop, replace him with Lehner) and let your young guys develop. More young players are always coming in as you have Binghamton Senators and a few prospects elsewhere as well.

Someone like Semin isn't really a team player and can screw up the dynamics within the group. It's better to continue to give the young players responsability. But you'll have to replace Alfie with an experienced two way-forward if he leaves the game.

Pellegrino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 10:05 AM
  #59
Curtinho
Spero Meliora
 
Curtinho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 22,224
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pellegrino View Post
Someone like Semin isn't really a team player and can screw up the dynamics within the group. It's better to continue to give the young players responsability. But you'll have to replace Alfie with an experienced two way-forward if he leaves the game.

Curtinho is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 10:11 AM
  #60
Micklebot
I bee-beard'lieve
 
Micklebot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 14,458
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MandyAlwaysKnows View Post
If the + can be a young 2nd line LW, that would be great (then replace Latendresse with him). But that's too much to ask IMO.

Also, if you're saying Michalek to Read is a big downgrade, then no, that's wrong.
Matt Read is 26 years old and has scored 31 goals in the NHL. Michalek is 28 and has 168.

It's not like Read hasn't had great line-mates, he's played with Giroux and Briere and Simmonds.

If your afraid of Michalek's knee being an issue, fine, but the guy is a better player when healthy.

Micklebot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 10:18 AM
  #61
Pellegrino
Registered User
 
Pellegrino's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sweden
Country: Sweden
Posts: 904
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cujomi View Post
You'll have to replace Alfie with a reliable, hard working two-way forward who shows up every night and has leadership-skills, Semin isn't that guy.

Pellegrino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 10:21 AM
  #62
Ghost in the Shell
#WeLikeOurKarlssons
 
Ghost in the Shell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Chicago
Country: United States
Posts: 12,018
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pellegrino View Post
You'll have to replace Alfie with a reliable, hard working two-way forward who shows up every night and has leadership-skills, Semin isn't that guy.
Problem is, those guys don't really grow on trees.

Ghost in the Shell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 10:23 AM
  #63
HockeySens
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 2,289
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigun View Post
Problem is, those guys don't really grow on trees.
except swedish trees that is

HockeySens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 10:25 AM
  #64
Ghost in the Shell
#WeLikeOurKarlssons
 
Ghost in the Shell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Chicago
Country: United States
Posts: 12,018
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HockeySens View Post
except swedish trees that is
In Landeskogs (country forests).

Ghost in the Shell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 10:35 AM
  #65
Curtinho
Spero Meliora
 
Curtinho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 22,224
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pellegrino View Post
You'll have to replace Alfie with a reliable, hard working two-way forward who shows up every night and has leadership-skills, Semin isn't that guy.
Don't tell Carolina that.

Regardless Silfverberg has already started filling in to that role. He actually looks better defensively than Alfredsson is right now...though obviously not as polished over the ice, or close to a prime Alfredsson.

Curtinho is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 10:37 AM
  #66
CanadianHockey
Smith - Alfie
 
CanadianHockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Petawawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 29,768
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by MandyAlwaysKnows View Post
If the + can be a young 2nd line LW, that would be great (then replace Latendresse with him). But that's too much to ask IMO.

Also, if you're saying Michalek to Read is a big downgrade, then no, that's wrong.
Michalek to Read is a downgrade. Tossing away Methot and Bishop on top of that without providing any clear justification or return just makes it awful.

CanadianHockey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 12:37 PM
  #67
senorchang
Registered User
 
senorchang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 415
vCash: 500
dear god this team is ridiculous. I think im hopping on the wagon.

senorchang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 01:27 PM
  #68
FolignoQuantumLeap
Huck Farper
 
FolignoQuantumLeap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 22,083
vCash: 500
Really hoping we're looking at extending Gonchar and Latendresse.

FolignoQuantumLeap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 03:23 PM
  #69
aragorn
YES WE CAN
 
aragorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Country: Azores
Posts: 14,110
vCash: 500
I don't get why people are asking to trade for players who are on teams that are in playoff positions & most likely not available. Why would Carolina trade Semin who is one of their best forwards? Won't he help them in the playoffs? It makes no sense. The same for Ann & Bobby Ryan besides the fact he is signed for two more yrs. Why would they trade him, they already have him under contract. It makes no sense?

Teams that will be sellers looking at the standings today are Florida, Washington, Buffalo, Calgary & Colorado although Buffalo may not trade with Ottawa. There are a couple of guys from each of these teams that could help Ottawa in the playoffs that may not cost our best young prospects.

Florida - Fleischmann LW - IMO is the best option for Ottawa available but expensive
Washington - Brouwer RW - size & muscle
Calgary - Glencross C/LW - may be cheaper than Fleischmann
Colorado - O'Reilly C - may not be a deadeline deal but a draft day deal
Dallas - Roy C - Dallas is still close enough to a playoff position, may not deal
Tampa - Brewer D/Malone LW - TB may want to unload some salary
Edmonton - Hemsky RW - not sure they are ready to part with him just yet

aragorn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 03:26 PM
  #70
Curtinho
Spero Meliora
 
Curtinho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 22,224
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
I don't get why people are asking to trade for players who are on teams that are in playoff positions & most likely not available. Why would Carolina trade Semin who is one of their best forwards? Won't he help them in the playoffs? It makes no sense. The same for Ann & Bobby Ryan besides the fact he is signed for two more yrs. Why would they trade him, they already have him under contract. It makes no sense?

Teams that will be sellers looking at the standings today are Florida, Washington, Buffalo, Calgary & Colorado although Buffalo may not trade with Ottawa. There are a couple of guys from each of these teams that could help Ottawa in the playoffs that may not cost our best young prospects.

Florida - Fleischmann LW - IMO is the best option for Ottawa available but expensive
Washington - Brouwer RW - size & muscle
Calgary - Glencross C/LW - may be cheaper than Fleischmann
Colorado - O'Reilly C - may not be a deadeline deal but a draft day deal
Dallas - Roy C - Dallas is still close enough to a playoff position, may not deal
Tampa - Brewer D/Malone LW - TB may want to unload some salary
Edmonton - Hemsky RW - not sure they are ready to part with him just yet
Colorado can't trade O'Reilly until next year at the deadline IIRC.

Curtinho is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 04:46 PM
  #71
McManked
Ooh to be a Gooner
 
McManked's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Edmonton, AB
Country: Canada
Posts: 19,519
vCash: 535
Ugh Colorado is not trading O Reilly.

McManked is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 05:05 PM
  #72
Magix
Registered User
 
Magix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,512
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by koreaboy View Post
Please identify for me a situation where semin was an impact player, a leader, a key cog, for a team in the crunch during playoffs.
Yeah because hockey is a 1 man game. Seriously do you even watch the guy? O, wait its because he is Russian right?

Magix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 05:41 PM
  #73
Wallet Inspector
Registered User
 
Wallet Inspector's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,117
vCash: 500
Chris Stewart-Spezza-Michalek
Silfverberg-Turris-Alfredsson
Greening-Zibanejad-Smith
Condra-O'Brien-Neil

Karlsson-Cowen
Methot-Weircioch
Philips-Gryba

Anderson
Lehner

I really wanna trade for Chris Stewart. Him playing on the first line with Spezza would be awesome.

Wallet Inspector is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 06:33 PM
  #74
WhiteLight*
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 16,082
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Micklebot View Post
Matt Read is 26 years old and has scored 31 goals in the NHL. Michalek is 28 and has 168.

It's not like Read hasn't had great line-mates, he's played with Giroux and Briere and Simmonds.

If your afraid of Michalek's knee being an issue, fine, but the guy is a better player when healthy.
Yes I'm afraid of Michalek's knee. But the downgrade is only a slight one.

Read had 13 points in 17 games before getting hurt and now he's playing injured so he's cooled off. It's not like Giroux has been having a great year.

Last year he didn't play with Giroux. He scored 47 points from the 3rd line and was their 3rd most productive player in points/ice time.

Career totals don't have anything to do with current play.

Michalek scored 35 last year (only 13 more points than Read) riding shotgun with Spezza and Karlsson ( with 5 empty netters). He won't repeat that season. He had Spezza for 5/15 games this season and has 2 goals.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CanadianHockey View Post
Michalek to Read is a downgrade. Tossing away Methot and Bishop on top of that without providing any clear justification or return just makes it awful.
Methot and Bishop would return futures.

Trade Bishop because he is clearly the worst of the three headed goalie monster.

Trade Methot because he is worse than Cowen and Wiercioch, and Phillips is unmovable. Sens also need a Left handed D-man who can play the PP (Gonchar is old). Cowen, Methot and Phillips are all in the same mold. Adding Wiercioh gives some variety on that left side.

WhiteLight* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-21-2013, 07:23 PM
  #75
Chito
Registered User
 
Chito's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 57
vCash: 500
I'd trade Anderson for a first line winger and have the Lehner-Bishop tandem. The defence next year will be sick, Karlsson, Cowan, Weircoch, Methot, Philips, Gonchar (if he stays). Spezza, Michalek, Silfverberg, Turris, Alfredsson, Zibanedjad,

Chito is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:15 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2016 All Rights Reserved.