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03-21-2013, 06:01 PM
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Would you guys feel comfortable if the Kings acquired Jarome Iginla and Calgary's 2nd in 2014 for Jonathan Bernier and Brandon Kozun, and then flipped Calgary's draft pick to Ottawa for Ben Bishop?
I know Kozun played for the Hitmen but I think they'd want Vey.

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Would you guys feel comfortable if the Kings acquired Jarome Iginla and Calgary's 2nd in 2014 for Jonathan Bernier and Brandon Kozun, and then flipped Calgary's draft pick to Ottawa for Ben Bishop?
Why ? what have you heard ? don't hold out on us !

Yeah I think you'd have to strongly consider something like that, though not sure if Bishop is the guy I'd want backing up Quicker. Personally I get a feeling Quicky is turning the corner and getting back to the Quick we all know and love, and he'll only look that much better should we get Greene and/or Mitchell back for a playoff run, which means backup smashup, who cares the backup ain't seeing a minute of playoff ice time anyways. And would Kozun ever really see time as an LA King ? dunno ...

SO what that boils down to, is Bernier, for a RENTAL of Iginla for a shot at winning back-to-back Cups, and not much else as most likely he flees back to Calgary at some point to retire, if not as a UFA then I think something along the lines of a more amicable Smyth request to go back home and retire a Flame, should he stay a King at all after the playoffs. SO, is it worth a stronger Chance at CUP #2, or do we take our chances with what we have, and trade Bernier near the Draft and get an asset that will be more useful long term for the Kings ?

I don't know ... and guessing that's something Lombardi is scratching his head about right about now as well

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That's what has me wondering as well, if Iginla makes sense if he is a pure rental, and at what cost? My guess is that Lombardi would ask Calgary's permission to see if he could get Iginla to sign an extension before advancing any further, and maybe they can work on a deal contingent on Iginla signing at the very least a one year extension so that they could at least use him for more than just a minor fraction of a shortened season.

The Kings did something similar with the Flames back in 1998 when they were discussing a potential Theo Fleury trade that would have sent Yanic Perreault and Pavel Rosa to Calgary, contingent on Fleury re-signing with the Kings for 4 years at $25M. Fleury didn't sign, so he was dealt to Colorado, and ended up signing with the Rangers over that summer.
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/mar/01/sports/sp-12988

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Do we really need Iginla? Offense has been great. I just don't want to waste pieces when we're really in need of defense especially if Greene and Mitchell are gone for the season
I don't understand the infatuation with him.

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That's what has me wondering as well, if Iginla makes sense if he is a pure rental, and at what cost? My guess is that Lombardi would ask Calgary's permission to see if he could get Iginla to sign an extension before advancing any further, and maybe they can work on a deal contingent on Iginla signing at the very least a one year extension so that they could at least use him for more than just a minor fraction of a shortened season.

The Kings did something similar with the Flames back in 1998 when they were discussing a potential Theo Fleury trade that would have sent Yanic Perreault and Pavel Rosa to Calgary, contingent on Fleury re-signing with the Kings for 4 years at $25M. Fleury didn't sign, so he was dealt to Colorado, and ended up signing with the Rangers over that summer.
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/mar/01/sports/sp-12988
What the hell?!?

Theo Fleury is my favorite player in league history and the reason for my #! I had no idea of this before. Thanks for the info. Would've broken my heart to know at the time, haha.

As much as I'd like Iginla, he's just a luxury in the arms race, and doubt it would be worth what it costs to get him. Unless you win a cup, it's a deal with the devil having to play vs. Bernier/Kozun for the next 15 years. Plus, how many games are left in the regular season after the trade deadline? That's a lot for what, 12 games + playoffs? It's a gamble, for sure.

I agree fully--a little bit more certainty makes that a much easier pill to swallow.

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27 games in Iginla has 7 goals. He will likely score in the 15g range if he stays put. If we had another 82game season this year it isn't a stretch for JI to score at or near 20 goals this season.

I know he brings a ton to the table, or that he used to but there is allot of talk around the league behind the scenes that say that JI is only going to be able to produce from this point out if he is THE top minute earning forward on your team. He has definitely slowed a bit but he is still a solid player. Would he be a very good add to our current team? Absolutely. Would he be the difference maker? Maybe.

Do we deal JB plus for someone who would be a very good add to our current team for the rest of the season and playoffs but who isn't likely to be THE difference maker? I don't know, not when we have other options available to us that won't cost us anything much at all.

I wouldn't be alright with JB plus for Iggy. To steep for him. Had the Flames been smart and dealt him last year then sure, but not any longer.

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Currently Iginla's shooting percentage is at about half of the usual, so thats likely to rise at some point. If he were on this team he'd be playing 15-18 minutes a night I'd expect. How much could his production suffer, especially considering his upgraded linemates?

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Would you guys feel comfortable if the Kings acquired Jarome Iginla and Calgary's 2nd in 2014 for Jonathan Bernier and Brandon Kozun, and then flipped Calgary's draft pick to Ottawa for Ben Bishop?
I'd be ok with that.

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Meh, I don't think the Kings NEED Iginla at all. He is a luxury item Dean simply cannot afford.

That and the Kings can do much better for Bernier.

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03-21-2013, 09:25 PM
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Meh, I don't think the Kings NEED Iginla at all. He is a luxury item Dean simply cannot afford.

That and the Kings can do much better for Bernier.
Yes they can. Move him at the draft, which is supposed to be very deep.

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I don't want Bernier traded within the new division for a 35 year old UFA. Iginla is a luxury, not a need. We need to be using Bernier's eventual departure as an opportunity to replace draft pick/s we have traded away or a stay at home defenseman

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I don't want Bernier traded within the new division for a 35 year old UFA. Iginla is a luxury, not a need. We need to be using Bernier's eventual departure as an opportunity to replace draft pick/s we have traded away or a stay at home defenseman
I agree.

Deep deep draft, JB should return what DL is looking for by then too.

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Forget Iginla, go get Jagr!

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Forget Iginla, go get Jagr!
I'm down. One of my all time favourite players. Love to own a CZE Nagano Jagr jersey.

He has the abilitie to make his teammates work harder in practices - making them better (Giroux, Voracek, Read), and is still capable of deciding games on his own.

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I want to see the Kings land Iginla for the soul purpose of seeing nhl.com use the headline Ig-in-LA

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Would the Kings think about something like:

Williams + Clifford + prospect for Gaborik?

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Would the Kings think about something like:

Williams + Clifford + prospect for Gaborik?
Eww god no. Do not want Gaborik.

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Forget Iginla, go get Jagr!
Jagr wouldnt' cost as much and would be a pure rental. Flames are asking way too much (rumor they wanted Malcolm Subban, Chris Kelly and a 1st from the Bruins) and will price themselves out of the market. This isn't the Iggy from 3 or 4 years ago and they are cutting themselves short but not realizing that and asking a fair market price.

DL is looking for a top 6 forward and top line stay at home d. Greene will be back, I believe, before teh playoffs start .Mitchell I'm not so sure about. Even if he manages to get back to practice with the team b4 the playoffs, he's not played in almost a year and that knee (or how tentative he might be playing on it) might change the way he plays. Even if he does come back, he's done after next year. If you can get a veteren D it might not be a rental, it might be to take Willie's place.

I'd bet he's already approached the Stars about Jagr, who would be good fit for a playoff run, he's got an insane work ethic and has experience in playoffs, OT, et c, that you want for the Cup run. The workout routine he does religiously makes him one hard player to move off the puck . Look at the board battles he had with Kopi in the 3rd. He's still a very dangerous player and a very very smart one.

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Yeah, I actually wouldn't mind Jagr, especially if the price isn't too bad. Much rather have him then Iginla which will probably cost an arm and a leg.

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Calgary like Columbus(Nash), is going to try and rebuild their roster with Kipper and Iggy trades.

And just like Columbus it's going to be a reduced package and take forever.

Iggy and Kipper are not 28, they are both past prime age.

I just cant see a True contender creating multiple holes in their lineup to add ether guy.

B prospect, and a couple draft picks is what I say. No reason to add roster players at all.

Unless Iggy is going to plug the hole you create.

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Calgary like Columbus(Nash), is going to try and rebuild their roster with Kipper and Iggy trades.

And just like Columbus it's going to be a reduced package and take forever.

Iggy and Kipper are not 28, they are both past prime age.

I just cant see a True contender creating multiple holes in their lineup to add ether guy.

B prospect, and a couple draft picks is what I say. No reason to add roster players at all.

Unless Iggy is going to plug the hole you create.
Thing is, for Iginla anyways, he's a rental right now. Rick Nash had a long-term deal. So automatically the situations are different. Iginla is older than Nash too. At this point in Iggy's career, he's a piece of the puzzle instead of being a MAIN piece of the puzzle, like Nash.

A prospect plus a pick should do it for Iginla. Basically highest bidder will get him

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Thing is, for Iginla anyways, he's a rental right now. Rick Nash had a long-term deal. So automatically the situations are different. Iginla is older than Nash too. At this point in Iggy's career, he's a piece of the puzzle instead of being a MAIN piece of the puzzle, like Nash.

A prospect plus a pick should do it for Iginla. Basically highest bidder will get him
We are talking about Calgary's GM here. He is going to be asking for the moon to save his job.

He won't get it, but he is going to want the farm.

And if Vey, or Pearson gets traded, I am going to lose it...Pearson/Vey/Toffoli is a future line in LA.

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IWe are in a win now mode, but that doesn't mean you throw anything to the wayside, not for a rental. Notice that only B prospects and under get moved for unsigned players, i.e. Hossa, Kovalchuk, etc... You don't move your best prospect for a rental.
No, but you move a very good one (at the time), plus a 1st, plus a roster player plus another asset. Assuming Iggy has the same market as Hossa and Kovalchuk, you'd be looking at something along the lines of Lewis, Fraser, 2014 1st and Tanner Pearson/Derek Forbort.

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I don't think Iginla wants to be here. I think that's the media looking at us when we needed scoring and said that'd be a fit. I think if he goes anywhere it's Pittsburgh. Playing with Crosby is ideal for him.
Why wouldn't he? Actually, playing in the same conference can work in your favor, as Iggy would have a good look at us and get a better opinion of our (and other Western teams) ability to win it all. That plays extra in a season like this where there is no games against the opposite conference.

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Thanks for the insight. I have no idea if any of these guys are NHL ready. I know Dean is probably going to look for someone who is maybe a couple years away from joining the club. Kind of like Forbort. Plus, he wants to finish college also.(at least from what I have read) So, it works for both sides. He could be looking at another case like that.
I'm not sure if you know or not (can't tell from your post), but any college kid that signs with an NHL team immediately comes out of college. You can't have a pro contract and stay in college, so if we got someone, he'd have to leave school. This is why teams that draft college kids (like Forbort and Gravel) have four seasons to sign him and not two, like they do with juniors and Europeans.

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All I can say is I'm glad it's not my choice. If DL does trade for Iginla and we don't get to the WCF again, people won't be too happy about it and will wonder why he gave up these assets. If he doesn't and we don't get there again, people won't be happy about it and will blame him for not making the trade.

Life of a GM.
Agreed. Granted I would be fine with him not doing the deal, and in fact would support it as I think we shouldn't give up what the Flames would be asking, the more bandwagon fans would be unimpressed.

Hopefully he sticks to his guns and avoids the trade deadline flurry if he feels it's not worth it, like Holland has in Detroit at times.

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One thing I can't figure out with the Iginla to LA rumors/suggestions. The Kings are overloaded with RWs and need a high quality LW if they are going to make an upgrade up front.

Brown is a natural RW who has shifted to LW. Williams, Carter, Lewis are the top three RWs on the roster. Toffoli is a RW who was also shifted to LW to play in a top six role. Penner can play RW as he has been in the past few games on the fourth line, and there's also Nolan.

On LW the Kings have Brown, King, Clifford, and Penner who appears to be back on the 2nd line. If the Kings are to add a winger, I would think that they'd be looking at a LW. Iginla has never played LW so I'm not sure if he'd be a good fit nor can I comprehend where exactly he would fit in the lineup. It would force some forwards to play a position they haven't played.
One could be dealt in the deal. Additionally, moving to the opposite wing isn't as difficult of a deal as many make it out to be.

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In my original post I had Smyth but indeleted it somehow. Guess I shouldn't post from my phone. Aside from Smyth weve got no one.
Carter? Richards?

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As long as you don't expect him to score 30 goals like he does with the flyers.

Simmonds, voracek, and especially hartnell thrive in the flyers system. The only guys I would want are two way forwards from the flyers cause I know once they get away from pond hockey, their production will be cut in half
Hartnell's numbers in Philly are very close to his numbers in Nashville, aside from last year and 2008-2009. He's also used to a tight checking game from Nashville, he'd do great here, but his cap hit just doesn't work.

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27 games in Iginla has 7 goals. He will likely score in the 15g range if he stays put. If we had another 82game season this year it isn't a stretch for JI to score at or near 20 goals this season.
If you look past the fact he had a bad scoring slump to start the season, Iginla has scored 7 goals in his last 12 games. He's still got it, just had a bad start to the season.

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Forget Iginla, go get Jagr!
This x1000. Even if Jagr's offense dries up, he's still got the size and strength to create a lot of offense just by his board work and drive to the net. He'd be a great fit in the Kings system. Not to mention we likely could get him for a 2nd and something, not a 1st, Pearson, Lewis and Fraser like what Iginla will likely command.

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Plus, Gudas. That guy is a train. (didn't he have a try out with the Kings?)
Yep, and I was hoping the Kings would be able to grab him in the 3-4 round that draft. He was at the development camp and prospect camps in his draft year. May not be big at 6'0", be he plays the game like he's 8'0" with a chip on his shoulder. Would love him on the Kings back-end right now if there was any chance to make it happen.

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Would you guys feel comfortable if the Kings acquired Jarome Iginla and Calgary's 2nd in 2014 for Jonathan Bernier and Brandon Kozun, and then flipped Calgary's draft pick to Ottawa for Ben Bishop?
Not sure I'd want Iginla but I think Bishop (would Ottawa part with him, and go with Anderson and Lehner?) would be perfect to bring in and have backup Quick while continueung to push him and keep him motivated at the same time.

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What I find so appealing with Jagr is that the guy just makes those around him better. Look at what Sutter said last night about him: his age doesn't matter because he's in such terrific shape.

He turned it on last night in the 3rd period and took over shifts. I can't remember the last time we saw Kopitar have difficulty checking a forward, but Jagr really did a remarkable job in hanging onto the puck for long periods of time inside the Kings' end of the ice.

Look at how Jagr helped Giroux and Hartnell last season. Those two had phenomenal seasons and are suddenly struggling this season without him. Imagine how Jagr would do playing with Kopitar or with Carter? I think his style and the way he plays the game would fit the Kings better than Iginla. Iginla doesn't have the puck possession or passing and creative skills that Jagr does. He's not going to find holes or buy time for teammates to get open like a Jagr would.

If the Stars make Jagr available at the deadline, I seriously hope that Lombardi aggressively pursues him. He'd be an affordable option as his contract expires at the end of the season, and he'd get a great opportunity to help a team advance to the Cup Final.

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