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03-14-2013, 06:27 PM
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Love how Holmgren 'hasnt even thought about firing lavy'

just like how jeff carter and mike richards were the future of the franchise, right Paul? *winky face*




Honestly, does anyone believe him for one second?


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03-14-2013, 08:45 PM
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Well... I mean, what is he supposed to say? If Peter doesn't win this next devils game, I am going to fire his ass so fast...

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03-14-2013, 09:04 PM
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I trust him...

Yeah I know right....thought the same thing

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03-15-2013, 06:31 PM
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Every morning I wake up expecting to see the headline he's been fired. Not saying he is the sole reason this team sucks, but usually when a team that is expected to be a contender bombs this bad, the coach is fired by now.

I can only guess that the team is waiting to be close to eliminated or embarrassed to fire him.

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Every morning I wake up having dreamed of this clod being fired.

Look at their breakouts again tonight. Totally inept.

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03-18-2013, 11:19 PM
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Lavi's message is definitely not getting through.....team is just way too inconsistent. Can't win more than 2 games in a row. Team was undisciplined tonight in a lot of areas....Hartnell is back to playing stupid and apparently Bryz says there is "nothing else he can do."

Having said this..no point in bagging Lavi right now. Finish out the season and let the chips fall as they may with hopefully a blue chip draft pick coming our way.... Hey hey hey...

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03-18-2013, 11:33 PM
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Every morning I wake up having dreamed of this clod being fired.

Look at their breakouts again tonight. Totally inept.
It's not just the breakouts, it's the point coverage in their end. Most peewee teams cover the point better.

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03-19-2013, 12:18 AM
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Him benching Hartnell after a dumb penalty was really dumb.

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03-19-2013, 12:22 AM
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Him benching Hartnell after a dumb penalty was really dumb.
Hartnell though is playing stupid again....it's like his toe incurred brain damage on him. Having said this...it's how Lavi sends his messages and who he chooses to make examples and who he does not that I'm not crazy about...

I think overall Lavi's coaching this year has been inconsistent just like his team. This whole crappy year is a team effort with no "leader" able to get them out of this malaise of mediocrity..which includes the coaching staff.

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03-19-2013, 08:08 AM
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Him benching Hartnell after a dumb penalty was really dumb.
Hartnell was getting Stevens-bad. He also was, predictably (to some of us), unable to sustain his career-high production from a year ago. I know he missed half the season, but he needs to have more than 6 points. And if he's not producing offense, he isn't effective.


I think the Flyers were waiting for this point to make a decision on the coach, thinking they would at least tread water and the talent would win out on some nights. It didn't, and thus the team didn't. The Flyers are not going to the playoffs, so the effect of firing the coach in order to turn the season around is lost - they waited too long if it was really under consideration. I wouldn't say it's obvious, but it's probable he won't be back next year. If they want to fire him as to wake the team up from their bad habits, that's another thing, but the prudent thing to do would be to wait until the offseason to hire a new coach. In a perfect world, the new coach would be hired by a new GM. Holmgren must be held responsible because he is the biggest reason the Flyers are not going to the playoffs.

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03-22-2013, 11:33 AM
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Anyone who thinks that Laviolette will be fired anytime soon has simply lost their perspective.

He's had his highs and lows with his team-motivating timeout strategies, and with his other strategies. But it's only been about 30 games since we've seen the pinnacle of those strategies.

The importance of coming back again and again after the cup-favored Penguins kept going up 2-0 shan't be ignored by the management nor the ownership of this team.

And frankly, it's ****** that's it's been so quickly forgotten by some of the more surly elements of the fanbase. But that's the internet for you.

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03-22-2013, 02:07 PM
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Anyone who thinks that Laviolette will be fired anytime soon has simply lost their perspective.

He's had his highs and lows with his team-motivating timeout strategies, and with his other strategies. But it's only been about 30 games since we've seen the pinnacle of those strategies.

The importance of coming back again and again after the cup-favored Penguins kept going up 2-0 shan't be ignored by the management nor the ownership of this team.

And frankly, it's ****** that's it's been so quickly forgotten by some of the more surly elements of the fanbase. But that's the internet for you.
and if the Flyers come out after this short break and loss badly to the Pens (which is entirely likely). i wont be at all surprized to read about lavi being let go...

in fact i'd be more suprized to read that Snider was ok, with throwing away whats left of the season.

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03-22-2013, 05:33 PM
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Anyone who thinks that Laviolette will be fired anytime soon has simply lost their perspective.

He's had his highs and lows with his team-motivating timeout strategies, and with his other strategies. But it's only been about 30 games since we've seen the pinnacle of those strategies.

The importance of coming back again and again after the cup-favored Penguins kept going up 2-0 shan't be ignored by the management nor the ownership of this team.

And frankly, it's ****** that's it's been so quickly forgotten by some of the more surly elements of the fanbase. But that's the internet for you.
It's how the coaching carousel works in the NHL these days. I don't want him to be fired, but when the Flyers miss the playoffs, heads are going to roll when Mount Snider erupts.

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Anyone who thinks that Laviolette will be fired anytime soon has simply lost their perspective.

He's had his highs and lows with his team-motivating timeout strategies, and with his other strategies. But it's only been about 30 games since we've seen the pinnacle of those strategies.

The importance of coming back again and again after the cup-favored Penguins kept going up 2-0 shan't be ignored by the management nor the ownership of this team.

And frankly, it's ****** that's it's been so quickly forgotten by some of the more surly elements of the fanbase. But that's the internet for you.
Coaches have won cups and been fired a couple of seasons after that. It's the way she goes in the NHL when it comes to Head Coaches. Lavi's a good coach but his time might running out. He's been here a while now. A fresh face might be better for this team.

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We wouldn't want this to fall to the 4th page in the midst of a 4-game win streak and now having lost 4 defensemen, would we?

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I like lavi but with such a young team we need actual coaching to make them strong players. I'd personly like Ted Nolan. I think how he coaches will stunt our young players. Lavi is more suited for a team like the pens or hawks

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I like lavi but with such a young team we need actual coaching to make them strong players. I'd personly like Ted Nolan. I think how he coaches will stunt our young players. Lavi is more suited for a team like the pens or hawks
I used to like Lavy, but watching them play this year, even before all the D got hurt, I kept asking myself whether they had any coaches at all.

There is no D zone coverage. None of the forwards seem to know their assignments. Or if they do, but ignore them, there are no consequences. I'm not even going to talk about all the bad penalties.

The team has tuned him out. The old 'early timeout to scream at them' doesn't work. Lavy needs to go and Berube needs to go with him.

What we need is a young, disciplined coach like Peter DeBoer, who came up from Jr and knows the game and how to teach a young team how to play a structured game. I haven't scanned the entire Jr and AHL ranks for 'next one' of coaching, but someone like Dallas Eakins for example, would be a better option.

The 'system' Lavy is trying to use, whatever it is, only works against teams that don't play D, like Pittsburgh, and then only sometimes.

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I used to like Lavy, but watching them play this year, even before all the D got hurt, I kept asking myself whether they had any coaches at all.

There is no D zone coverage. None of the forwards seem to know their assignments. Or if they do, but ignore them, there are no consequences. I'm not even going to talk about all the bad penalties.

The team has tuned him out. The old 'early timeout to scream at them' doesn't work. Lavy needs to go and Berube needs to go with him.

What we need is a young, disciplined coach like Peter DeBoer, who came up from Jr and knows the game and how to teach a young team how to play a structured game. I haven't scanned the entire Jr and AHL ranks for 'next one' of coaching, but someone like Dallas Eakins for example, would be a better option.

The 'system' Lavy is trying to use, whatever it is, only works against teams that don't play D, like Pittsburgh, and then only sometimes.
The system requires a lot of work (constantly moving your feet/skating), discipline and the right personnel .....none of which we have this season and yes injuries compounded things. I think Lavi is good coach and given the right personnel and a fresh start he can continue to have success in the league..I just think his time here has run it's course and yes they need a good teaching coach but still needs to be stern...no Stevens types or for that matter recycled old boy network coaches like Murray and Paddock. They need a fresh perspective from outside the organization.....and depending on what Holmgren does in the offseason.....they might need the same for a GM if Snider can bring himself to stop his meddling and cosa nostra crap. I love how he said Bryz was Holmgren's idea and that the coach will be up to Holmgren. If Snider was really that far removed and believed the Flyers were Holmgren's to manage he would just shut his dentured trap...honestly I know he is the father of the Flyers and all and I respect him for what he's done for this city but I think he needs to step back more although if Holmgren craps the bed this offseason obviously he's going to have to get involved and think outside the box...something I'm not so sure he can do considering dementia seems to be setting in...

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I used to like Lavy, but watching them play this year, even before all the D got hurt, I kept asking myself whether they had any coaches at all.

There is no D zone coverage. None of the forwards seem to know their assignments. Or if they do, but ignore them, there are no consequences. I'm not even going to talk about all the bad penalties.

The team has tuned him out. The old 'early timeout to scream at them' doesn't work. Lavy needs to go and Berube needs to go with him.

What we need is a young, disciplined coach like Peter DeBoer, who came up from Jr and knows the game and how to teach a young team how to play a structured game. I haven't scanned the entire Jr and AHL ranks for 'next one' of coaching, but someone like Dallas Eakins for example, would be a better option.

The 'system' Lavy is trying to use, whatever it is, only works against teams that don't play D, like Pittsburgh, and then only sometimes.
I'm all for a coach like deboer. Just really need to teach these kids that skating hard isn't the only thing in hockey. There is a reason why no talent teams are successful. We are not a no talent team. Really really hoping mason works and we can coach him well. If so him plus our team with additions and new solid coaching make us contenders.

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I like lavi but with such a young team we need actual coaching to make them strong players. I'd personly like Ted Nolan. I think how he coaches will stunt our young players. Lavi is more suited for a team like the pens or hawks
what has Nolan been up to since his NHL days?

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I will be this team's head coach before Ted Nolan. Ted Nolan is a power guy who gets into spats with the front office. That ain't gonna fly here. There's a reason no one hires him.

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I will be this team's head coach before Ted Nolan. Ted Nolan is a power guy who gets into spats with the front office. That ain't gonna fly here. There's a reason no one hires him.
I'd be up to try Dallas Eakins, but I don't know if he'd want his first NHL job with the Flyers. Would be a fresh change. Maybe at the same time, re-hire Patterson over Terry Murray for the Phantoms.

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I would be interested in Luke Richardson if he learned anything from MacLean. I had long thought Dale Hunter would come here but with London possibly getting the Memorial Cup next year, I doubt it. Both London and the Flyers organization are close. Comcast runs London's arena. I know Hunter said he left the capitals because he wanted to go back to juniors but I think the real reason was Ovechkin. Those two didn't see eye to eye and there was no way the owner was going to side with the coach over the franchise player with 9 years at 9.5 mil left on his contract at the time.

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I'd be up to try Dallas Eakins, but I don't know if he'd want his first NHL job with the Flyers. Would be a fresh change. Maybe at the same time, re-hire Patterson over Terry Murray for the Phantoms.
Dallas Eakins would be my first choice, actually. He's ready, and he's pissed off he was passed over for Randy Carlyle.

The issue with coaching is more personnel, still. When Lavy was hired, we were a team expecting to win the Cup, with many veteran players who needed to be pushed over the top. That's not where this franchise is at right now a la when Hitchcock was fired.

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What kind of game does Eakins go for?

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