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03-22-2013, 11:16 AM
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Grabo + Scrivens + 2nd for Luongo + Shroeder

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03-22-2013, 11:21 AM
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Wasn't he already tried at wing with the Leafs with less than desirable results?
Not that i can recall, he's always been C here. The only "undesirable" results have been his play with Kessel, and the fact Carlyle is using him as a shutdown guy.I'm OK keeping him, guys fearless and i'd love to see what he could do in the postseason.

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I'd probably do Grabovski + Scrivens + 2nd for Luongo.

I wouldn't like Grabo's cap hit, but I'm sure the Leafs wouldn't like the length of Luongo's contract.

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03-22-2013, 11:30 AM
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03-22-2013, 11:34 AM
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03-22-2013, 11:37 AM
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Annnndddd....nope.
Lol overrating Frattin, turning 26 this year.

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03-22-2013, 11:39 AM
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I don't think Grabo + Scrivens for Luongo adds enough value to the Leafs. They would lose their 2/3 line center for a relatively marginal upgrade in goal over Reimer, and then they have a new hole to fill with only $200k salary cap extra to play with.

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I don't think Grabo + Scrivens for Luongo adds enough value to the Leafs. They would lose their 2/3 line center for a relatively marginal upgrade in goal over Reimer, and then they have a new hole to fill with only $200k salary cap extra to play with.
It's good to know Reimer is just as good as Luongo.

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03-22-2013, 11:42 AM
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Why are we still talking about Luongo to the Leafs?

On a better team, Luongo has 7 wins, 2.47 GAA and a .904 Sv%

Reimer has 10 wins, 2.73 and a .916 Sv%

Scrivens has 6 wins, 2.63 and a .915 Sv%

All three goalies are capable of winning games [B]if the team in front of them plays well[B] - the problem is that none of them will steal you points on off nights like elite-goalies can do...

Luongo has had middle of the pack stats for the last two seasons.. hard to argue that he is still elite.. there are 16 goalies with at least 10 starts that have a better GAA and 28 goalies with a better Sv%.

We would the Leafs (or any other team) give up anything of value for him?

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Why are we still talking about Luongo to the Leafs?

On a better team, Luongo has 7 wins, 2.47 GAA and a .904 Sv%

Reimer has 10 wins, 2.73 and a .916 Sv%

Scrivens has 6 wins, 2.63 and a .915 Sv%

All three goalies are capable of winning games [B]if the team in front of them plays well[B] - the problem is that none of them will steal you points on off nights like elite-goalies can do...

Luongo has had middle of the pack stats for the last two seasons.. hard to argue that he is still elite.. there are 16 goalies with at least 10 starts that have a better GAA and 28 goalies with a better Sv%.

We would the Leafs (or any other team) give up anything of value for him?
Nice to see you digging into stats with a solid sample size.

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03-22-2013, 11:46 AM
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Lol overrating Frattin, turning 26 this year.
Then why would you want him?

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Then why would you want him?
Because he is a good player, but has nearly reached ceiling. Canucks have much less cap space then Leafs and his cheap contract would be easier to fit in lineup.

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03-22-2013, 11:57 AM
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Lol overrating Frattin, turning 26 this year.
Not at all, most of us are willing to move Grabo for Lu because Grabo is supposedly "not fitting in". Frattin and Bozak do fit and Lu isn't an absolute need, so we don't need to do that.

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03-22-2013, 12:00 PM
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It's good to know Reimer is just as good as Luongo.
Lou is better than Reimer, but he is not better so much that he will make up for the defense and (limited) offense that Grabovski provides...

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Grabovski + Scrivens to back up Schneider + 2nd for Luongo.

Grabovski is better production wise than he's shown for the Leafs but he needs 2nd line minutes...he's been turned into a checker right now with the emergence of Kadri and his line.

Grabo: 55 points, good #2C, can also play wing if you guys need Kesler to be the #2 guy, good on faceoffs, good defensively etc etc.

He's definitely a top 10 "#2C" when he's on his game.

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03-22-2013, 12:07 PM
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Grabovski + Scrivens to back up Schneider + 2nd for Luongo.

Grabovski is better production wise than he's shown for the Leafs but he needs 2nd line minutes...he's been turned into a checker right now with the emergence of Kadri and his line.

Grabo: 55 points, good #2C, can also play wing if you guys need Kesler to be the #2 guy, good on faceoffs, good defensively etc etc.

He's definitely a top 10 "#2C" when he's on his game.
I would like Grabovski but Canucks can't fit him in cap for next year. It just isn't possible unless salary was retained by Leafs.

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03-22-2013, 12:11 PM
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I would like Grabovski but Canucks can't fit him in cap for next year. It just isn't possible unless salary was retained by Leafs.
And for the same reason (no absolute need to trade Grabo or obtain Lu), that won't happen.

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03-22-2013, 12:12 PM
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His contract hampers any team he'll be traded to.

A good example is Brad Richards. Horrendous contract that he didn't live up to in his first season with New York, and he looks significantly worse this season on top of that. He's a better player than Grabovski though in stature, but would I trade Grabovski for him now? Hell no.

Richards might rebound and produce but the reason I won't want him is his contract.

With Luongo, Leafs fans might make an exception as stability in net is something we've lacked since Belfour. Toronto needs a capable number 1, but Luongo's contract is too much.

There have to be concessions made on both sides here. Luongo trade will create cap flexibility for Canucks who already have a number 1 in Schneider itching to take over permanently. Toronto needs to realize that Luongo is at least worth an NHL ready player who can contribute, and not trash like Komisarek.

That's why a swap of Grabovski (a top 6 forward) + Scrivens (capabale backup with potential to improve) for Luongo makes sense.
Not when his cap particularly cripples ours, a corundum that cannot be said for Luongo's on the Leafs. Yes his term is less than appealing, but he is not going to prevent you from retaining your roster, whereas that is precisely what Grabovski could do to us, barring upwards of five players accepting discounts.

Grabovski at $4-4.5 mill? Sure, I might even add. At his current salary? Pass.

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03-22-2013, 12:17 PM
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Not when his cap particularly cripples ours, a corundum that cannot be said for Luongo's on the Leafs. Yes his term is less than appealing, but he is not going to prevent you from retaining your roster, whereas that is precisely what Grabovski could do to us, barring upwards of five players accepting discounts.

Grabovski at $4-4.5 mill? Sure, I might even add. At his current salary? Pass.
I fully understand this. But you must understand that by retaining 1.5 of Grabo's cap, that essentially means we are paying 6.83 for 5 years and 5.33 for 5 more to have Luongo....not appealing at all.

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03-22-2013, 12:18 PM
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Not when his cap particularly cripples ours, a corundum that cannot be said for Luongo's on the Leafs. Yes his term is less than appealing, but he is not going to prevent you from retaining your roster, whereas that is precisely what Grabovski could do to us, barring upwards of five players accepting discounts.

Grabovski at $4-4.5 mill? Sure, I might even add. At his current salary? Pass.
Lou and Grabovski have pretty much the same cap hit... So you guys are already crippled cap wise? Is the plan then to buy out Luongo or trade him for futures only? I would think Grabo would at least help you guys to make the playoffs more than having an all star goalie riding the pine

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Oh hell no.
You need Luongo more than we do....that ginger you have is a pretty good back up for him when he melts down.

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And for the same reason (no absolute need to trade Grabo or obtain Lu), that won't happen.
If there is no need then why are well known hockey media speaking about Toronto needing a goalie who can steal games. Or why did Nonis say he still want to acquire a veteran goalie?

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Lou and Grabovski have pretty much the same cap hit... So you guys are already crippled cap wise? Is the plan then to buy out Luongo or trade him for futures only? I would think Grabo would at least help you guys to make the playoffs more than having an all star goalie riding the pine
Ya that's the plan. Canucks will buyout Luongo.

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I fully understand this. But you must understand that by retaining 1.5 of Grabo's cap, that essentially means we are paying 6.83 for 5 years and 5.33 for 5 more to have Luongo....not appealing at all.
Not really because you have Grabovski at 5.5 and how many teams might ask for Leafs to retain salary if he is traded?

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Grabo + Scrivens + 2nd for Luongo + Shroeder
God no. Man is Schroeder underrated.

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