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03-22-2013, 07:20 AM
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Talbot? Ummm...ok...

We have plenty of solid bottom 6 forwards and really need to focus on the top 6. Why lock into a contract like that when you have Chimera's expiring soon??

Don't forget Chimera has come up big for us in the playoffs as well and it just having a down year. He'll bounce back next year.

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i dont often but i did look at the conference standings today. it was an interesting read.

27pts. tamba bay lightning. gm steve yzerman the boy gm prince. brilliant buildier.
27pts. washington capitals. gm idiot george mcphee. astonishing he still has a job.
27pts. philadelphia flyers. gm paul holmgren. the wheeler dealer gm that is everything gmgm is not.

face firmly planted in palm.

we return you to your regular programming now.

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Crabb now officially waived. Halpern also waived by NYR; Boychuk waived by CAR. Didn't CAR just claim him like yesterday?

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Rangers put Jeff Halpern on waivers. His face off pct. is a few points better than Beagle (56 vs. 54), TOI was around 9 minutes a night, used primarily as a PKer for the Rangers and had no goals in 30 games. Will be 37 in May so this might be his swan song.

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Crabb now officially waived. Halpern also waived by NYR; Boychuk waived by CAR. Didn't CAR just claim him like yesterday?
They did. They want to send him to Charlotte, it would seem.

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They did. They want to send him to Charlotte, it would seem.
If Nashville reclaims him then they can send him directly to Milwaukee without going through waivers.

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What a circus. Caps should claim him just to troll everyone

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03-22-2013, 01:36 PM
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Talbot? Ummm...ok...

We have plenty of solid bottom 6 forwards and really need to focus on the top 6. Why lock into a contract like that when you have Chimera's expiring soon??

Don't forget Chimera has come up big for us in the playoffs as well and it just having a down year. He'll bounce back next year.
Talbot can actually pass for a nasty shutdown 3C that we still very much need should we ever get serious about winning. Chimera is a kitten just like everyone else in our bottom 6 aside from Hendricks from time to time.

Flyers are clearly looking to get someone a level above Talbot, probably basing it on Gaustad's return (and Talbot's contract/resume is better). Maybe not a late 1st but something like Kundratek+. They're not gonna give him up for Chimera just because.

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Talbot can actually pass for a nasty shutdown 3C that we still very much need should we ever get serious about winning. Chimera is a kitten just like everyone else in our bottom 6 aside from Hendricks from time to time.

Flyers are clearly looking to get someone a level above Talbot, probably basing it on Gaustad's return (and Talbot's contract/resume is better). Maybe not a late 1st but something like Kundratek+. They're not gonna give him up for Chimera just because.
Wait...if what Talbot had was so good then the Flyers should keep him. Fact is that his contract is not good at all. Not at all. 3 more years after this one with the cap going down? No thanks!

I wouldn't trade Chimera straight up for him. For this Caps team (lots of bottom 6 players) I wouldn't take him for free due to his contract.

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Wait...if what Talbot had was so good then the Flyers should keep him. Fact is that his contract is not good at all. Not at all. 3 more years after this one with the cap going down? No thanks!

I wouldn't trade Chimera straight up for him. For this Caps team (lots of bottom 6 players) I wouldn't take him for free due to his contract.
Yeah, 1.75 million dollars a year for a high end PKer who can play any bottom 6 position well, who scored 19 goals last year/is generally good for 25 points a year, plays a very heavy forechecking/agitating game and steps up massively, absolutely massively during the playoffs is horrible. I mean, that's only 2/3 of what quality players like Jeff Schultz make.

What is your idea of a "good" contract exactly? Because Talbot brings a lot more in a defensive/PK/FO role than Laich and a hell of a lot more in a physical/agitating role than Brouwer.

Chimera is a largely inferior player, in part because he doesn't have a real hard hitting/agitating streak and in part because his head is made of rocks when it comes to defensive, the one thing non enforcer bottom 6ers need to know like the back of their hand.

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03-22-2013, 02:24 PM
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Talbot is a pretty great PKer IMO and the Caps PK is pretty awful so I don't think I would have any problem adding him contract and all. I have no doubt he would help make this team better.

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We have significant holes in the top 6 forward position, including both the 2nd line center and 2 top 6 wingers.

We have also been in need of a physical top 4 dman (tho Erskine may be a solution if he maintains his level of play).

We have limited resources to address these needs...you want to bring someone in who doesn't address the priorities, brings more of what we already have (bottom 6 forwards like Hendricks/Chimera/Beagle/Ward/Laich/Brouwer/etc etc) and has badmouthed the Caps???

And you want to give up young assets and absorb that contract to boot?

Sorry. Couldn't disagree more.

The limited resources (cap space/roster spots/young assets) should be used for our need priorities IMO

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03-22-2013, 02:31 PM
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It's not the PK as much as the fact that we haven't had a real forechecker/agitator since McPhee and Leonsis decided to make us a nice kid-friendly tire-changing good guys brand.

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It's not the PK as much as the fact that we haven't had a real forechecker/agitator since McPhee and Leonsis decided to make us a nice kid-friendly tire-changing good guys brand.
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We have a massive hole in terms of bottom 6 shutdown centers, faceoff specialists, heavy forecheckers and plain old agitators. Just because it hasn't surfaced itself much in regular season games (except for the fact that any team with their head on straight can and has been taking it to us at any time and expect zero counterpressure) doesn't mean it is not there.

Also did I miss the cap falling to 30 million or something? In what world is 1.75 million a contract that needs to be "absorbed".

We have 21 million dollars worth of players that play like they're worth 10 combined, on a good day. Cleaning the house there and bringing in cost effective players would be nice to reverse that trend.

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It's not the PK as much as the fact that we haven't had a real forechecker/agitator since McPhee and Leonsis decided to make us a nice kid-friendly tire-changing good guys brand.
We do need more need what you say in terms of agitators. Talbot's contract term and his history with this team should be avoided.

I'd much prefer Steve Ott/Matt Cooke types if we go that route.

Even better would be a legit top 6 guy who can fill that roll. 2 birds with one stone.

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We do need more need what you say in terms of agitators. Talbot's contract term and his history with this team should be avoided.

I'd much prefer Steve Ott/Matt Cooke types if we go that route.

Even better would be a legit top 6 guy who can fill that roll. 2 birds with one stone.
I'd argue that Talbot is a functionally better player than Matt Cooke, Tyler Kennedy as well. Steve Ott may be better on offense, but on defense Talbot is superior (though not on faceoffs) and Ott is more prone to doing stupid stuff, to the point where he throws his own team off as well. Ott also costs a lot more both in terms of assets and money.

From what I've seen of him last year he was playing a shutdown/top PK role for the Flyers and still scored a ton and was a pain on the forecheck. I haven't watched them as much this year but he seems to be scoring at a typical shutdown 3rd line pace and seems to be getting 15+ minutes a game, definitely not 4th line time.

Our version of a "legit top 6 guy" who can fit that role is Brooks Laich and he is too busy petting kittens and being an upstanding citizen to do it. Stockpiling guys like Ott, Prust, Talbot, Downie can lead to a very healthy ahole multiplier that benefits the whole team, especially in the playoffs. Fast, physical, defensively responsible players with some offensive capability that toe the line are huge if you let them play.

I probably wouldn't give up what they are asking, but I'd definitely take him for up to 2.5 million per. It's about how much I wanted to give McClement tops and Talbot is more aggressive.

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We do need more need what you say in terms of agitators. Talbot's contract term and his history with this team should be avoided.

I'd much prefer Steve Ott/Matt Cooke types if we go that route.

Even better would be a legit top 6 guy who can fill that roll. 2 birds with one stone.
Shame Perry signed. Who else is there like that? Burrows, Marchand, Simmonds... ? Not looking like a long list of guys who are available. Ott's the only one who might be (at least that I can think of).

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What has Talbot done to the Caps besides calling Ovi bad names?

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Talbot is 5 years younger than Chimera, when his contract ends he will be younger than Chimera is now. Well worth swapping those contracts. It would also prevent the need to overpay to keep Hendricks around.

The Caps care way too much about image to bring in Talbot though. They will just wait until he retires and then bring him in as a coach like they have done with players that have bad mouthed Leonsis and his cronies.

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Shame Perry signed. Who else is there like that? Burrows, Marchand, Simmonds... ? Not looking like a long list of guys who are available. Ott's the only one who might be (at least that I can think of).
Clutterbuck is the biggest one and pretty damn good at it. Clarkson plays like that but he's probably gonna be out of our price range, even if he makes it to UFA somehow. Clowe has some agitating tendencies, but he's more of a heavyweight that's useful to have to give these players space to work. If that's the direction we're going we absolutely need a heavyweight capable of skating at least a semi-regular shift. I'd try getting both Clowe and Clutter even if it means overpayment. Kostitsyn isn't an agitator by any stretch but at least he hits to hurt. Brouwer used to be kind of an agitator to a small extent. Upshall could be available as well, overpaid as he may be he could work out.

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Clutterbuck is the biggest one and pretty damn good at it. Clarkson plays like that but he's probably gonna be out of our price range, even if he makes it to UFA somehow. Clowe has some agitating tendencies, but he's more of a heavyweight that's useful to have to give these players space to work. If that's the direction we're going we absolutely need a heavyweight capable of skating at least a semi-regular shift. I'd try getting both Clowe and Clutter even if it means overpayment. Kostitsyn isn't an agitator by any stretch but at least he hits to hurt. Brouwer used to be kind of an agitator to a small extent. Upshall could be available as well, overpaid as he may be he could work out.
The Kostitsyns are really good agitators. Just ask all their former and current teammates they have pissed off.

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The Kostitsyns are really good agitators. Just ask all their former and current teammates they have pissed off.
Yeah good point. Can't afford to bring them in. The rest of the team might get collective carpel tunnel syndrome from sending so many strongly worded text messages

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The Kostitsyns are really good agitators. Just ask all their former and current teammates they have pissed off.
Just to clarify in advance, they're from Belarus, not Russia.

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