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03-22-2013, 01:12 PM
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Not really because you have Grabovski at 5.5 and how many teams might ask for Leafs to retain salary if he is traded?
Not sure as we aren't shopping him.

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Lol overrating Frattin, turning 26 this year.
So what? Lol, he's an awesome hockey player. Wicked wrist shot, strong on his skates and hits. He's an undersized power forward with skill. No need to trade him.

In regards to Grabovski for Luongo.. I would do it. Simply because I hate watching Scrivens in net and I hate watching Grabovski play on the third line and be used incorrectly even more. He should be with skilled players and not getting 14 minutes a night. That's what you get with Randy Carlyle though, awful coaching.

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So what? Lol, he's an awesome hockey player. Wicked wrist shot, strong on his skates and hits. He's an undersized power forward with skill. No need to trade him.

In regards to Grabovski for Luongo.. I would do it. Simply because I hate watching Scrivens in net and I hate watching Grabovski play on the third line and be used incorrectly even more. He should be with skilled players and not getting 14 minutes a night. That's what you get with Randy Carlyle though, awful coaching.

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OK, then how about Colborne, Blacker and a pick for Luongo? Could consider Scrivens rather than the pick

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OK, then how about Colborne, Blacker and a pick for Luongo? Could consider Scrivens rather than the pick
I think if Gillis picked up the phone and made that offer to Nonis, Luo would be starting against Boston on Saturday. I like both those prospect a lot but this is the first trade offer that really helps our playoff push and doesn't cause any immediate holes in the roster.

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Not sure as we aren't shopping him.
How do you know this? Have been quite a few rumors about Toronto looking for a center, must be looking for a replacement for someone?

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Vancouver isn't going to trade for Grabovski. No, a 3rd round pick isn't going to make it even.

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How do you know this? Have been quite a few rumors about Toronto looking for a center, must be looking for a replacement for someone?
Bozak is an UFA.

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Bozak is an UFA.
The rumors I read they were looking at Ribiero and Roy. If I'm not mistaken they are UFAs to........? So.......replacing a UFA with another UFA........

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The rumors I read they were looking at Ribiero and Roy. If I'm not mistaken they are UFAs to........? So.......replacing a UFA with another UFA........
I believe it's because they have no intention of resigning Bozak, so they may move him for an asset while they can.

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Vancouver isn't going to trade for Grabovski. No, a 3rd round pick isn't going to make it even.
LOL. VAN will continue to sit on Luongo unless you trade him .50 on the dollar, not sure what you're expecting in return. The Leafs are in a playoff position and Reimer is 10-4-3, we don't NEED Luongo right now.

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I believe it's because they have no intention of resigning Bozak, so they may move him for an asset while they can.
But then give up assets to acquire one those other guys?

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But then give up assets to acquire one those other guys?
Ribs in an upgrade on Bozak, they'd look to resign him.

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So what? Lol, he's an awesome hockey player. Wicked wrist shot, strong on his skates and hits. He's an undersized power forward with skill. No need to trade him.

In regards to Grabovski for Luongo.. I would do it. Simply because I hate watching Scrivens in net and I hate watching Grabovski play on the third line and be used incorrectly even more. He should be with skilled players and not getting 14 minutes a night. That's what you get with Randy Carlyle though, awful coaching.
so just a forward

Makes sense for both teams I think. Both are a little overpaid but Luongo helps them in goal (even tho Riemer has been good enough)

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Ribs in an upgrade on Bozak, they'd look to resign him.
Doesn't make much sense, unless they have a deal lined up to trade Bozak or Grabovski. You said they aren't shopping Grab, but Carlyle isn't utilizing him enough and he isn't producing. Not saying Leafs are shopping him or not, but sounds like they are shopping someone. In my opinion it could be either, but now you can understand my point of asking you how do you know Grabovski is not being shopped.

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Whether Grabovski is being shopped or not, the Leafs could easily keep Grabo while Van needs to deal a goaltender, and even Nonis is shrewd enough to realize that.

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His contract hampers any team he'll be traded to.

A good example is Brad Richards. Horrendous contract that he didn't live up to in his first season with New York, and he looks significantly worse this season on top of that. He's a better player than Grabovski though in stature, but would I trade Grabovski for him now? Hell no.

Richards might rebound and produce but the reason I won't want him is his contract.

With Luongo, Leafs fans might make an exception as stability in net is something we've lacked since Belfour. Toronto needs a capable number 1, but Luongo's contract is too much.

There have to be concessions made on both sides here. Luongo trade will create cap flexibility for Canucks who already have a number 1 in Schneider itching to take over permanently. Toronto needs to realize that Luongo is at least worth an NHL ready player who can contribute, and not trash like Komisarek.

That's why a swap of Grabovski (a top 6 forward) + Scrivens (capabale backup with potential to improve) for Luongo makes sense.
Scrivens brings really no value at all to this deal.

I think Jay and Bourne are right (Though I don't agree Schroeder should be traded)

5.5 is too much, if you could even take 500k - 1 Mill off the contract, that would be great.

Although I think you guys are really making Luongo contract out to be more than it is, the Grabovski contract has much worse affects to us than the Luongo contract does to you.

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But then give up assets to acquire one those other guys?
Teams do that for the playoffs.

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Scrivens brings really no value at all to this deal.

I think Jay and Bourne are right (Though I don't agree Schroeder should be traded)

5.5 is too much, if you could even take 500k - 1 Mill off the contract, that would be great.

Although I think you guys are really making Luongo contract out to be more than it is, the Grabovski contract has much worse affects to us than the Luongo contract does to you.
Except for the extra 5 years.....

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Whether Grabovski is being shopped or not, the Leafs could easily keep Grabo while Van needs to deal a goaltender, and even Nonis is shrewd enough to realize that.
i dont think it is a matter of being shrewd. pretty sure its just common sense realizing that any team would have difficulty if they had $9.3 million tied up in net.

i admit that math is not my strong suit but i dont see how vancouver is not going to be ****ed cap wise. after next season the sedins are ufa. with the amount getzlaf and perry just signed for i dont see how these resign for less. vancouver defense is also very pricey and locked up long term.

personally, i hope nonis doesnt let gillis off the hook.

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Scrivens brings really no value at all to this deal.

I think Jay and Bourne are right (Though I don't agree Schroeder should be traded)

5.5 is too much, if you could even take 500k - 1 Mill off the contract, that would be great.

Although I think you guys are really making Luongo contract out to be more than it is, the Grabovski contract has much worse affects to us than the Luongo contract does to you.
You know...i could sprinkle icing sugar and gumdrops on top of a steaming pile of ****....i could then tell everybody "it really doesn't taste that bad"......at the end of the day, it still tastes like a steaming pile of ****.

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I think if Gillis picked up the phone and made that offer to Nonis, Luo would be starting against Boston on Saturday. I like both those prospect a lot but this is the first trade offer that really helps our playoff push and doesn't cause any immediate holes in the roster.
We're not taking on a $5 mil cap hit for prospects

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Scrivens brings really no value at all to this deal.

I think Jay and Bourne are right (Though I don't agree Schroeder should be traded)

5.5 is too much, if you could even take 500k - 1 Mill off the contract, that would be great.

Although I think you guys are really making Luongo contract out to be more than it is, the Grabovski contract has much worse affects to us than the Luongo contract does to you.
Scrivens is just to back up Schneids while Lack is injured. If he didnt go in the trade, he will be waived by TO anyways to fit Louie.

I don't think Nonis is going to retain salary out of the goodness of his heart, what does he care if Vancouver is up against the cap? Van is no worse off than if they keep Luongo, but paying 2 starting goalies in the salary cap era doesn't make much sense.

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Grabo + Scrivens + 2nd for Luongo + Shroeder
No way. Overpayment.

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I don't think Grabo + Scrivens for Luongo adds enough value to the Leafs. They would lose their 2/3 line center for a relatively marginal upgrade in goal over Reimer, and then they have a new hole to fill with only $200k salary cap extra to play with.
LOL.

Scrivens holds next to no value in the deal.

And that upgrade in goal would be major, not marginal.

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Lou and Grabovski have pretty much the same cap hit... So you guys are already crippled cap wise? Is the plan then to buy out Luongo or trade him for futures only? I would think Grabo would at least help you guys to make the playoffs more than having an all star goalie riding the pine
That's the problem. An elite goaltender is making slightly less than an average 2nd line C.

We don't plan to keep Luongo till next season, so adding a big contract at this point doesn't make much sense, especially if it is north of 5 Million.

If it was around 4.5 or even 5, I think it would make the deal alot of feasable, and I don't see what the big issue with taking 1 million of cap in it is, but you guys don't seem willing to do that.

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God no. Man is Schroeder underrated.
I know.

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Except for the extra 5 years.....
What do that exactly mean?

what is the affect?

Elite goaltending, then even when he starts to decline a tad at 38-40. (if he is still playing) you will still get high quality goaltending, probably what you get from Riemer now, maybe a bit more due to experience.

And you get all that at an exceptional cap number.

Basically you get Luongo as long as you need him, then you could either buy him out later on, or just pay the small penalty which would probably be 2 million at the most, really not much.

It's great to say "its a longer deal" or whatever, but breakdown the affects it will really have, and you will see it isn't as bad as what its made out to be.

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You know...i could sprinkle icing sugar and gumdrops on top of a steaming pile of ****....i could then tell everybody "it really doesn't taste that bad"......at the end of the day, it still tastes like a steaming pile of ****.
Go look at the details yourself.

So many Leaf fans saying its bad, and I doubt most of them even know the ins and outs of what the deal actually entails and what that might mean in terms of the affect on your team.

Probably not as bad as what you think.

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Scrivens is just to back up Schneids while Lack is injured. If he didnt go in the trade, he will be waived by TO anyways to fit Louie.

I don't think Nonis is going to retain salary out of the goodness of his heart, what does he care if Vancouver is up against the cap? Van is no worse off than if they keep Luongo, but paying 2 starting goalies in the salary cap era doesn't make much sense.
Exactly, he would be lost either way. So really no value.

I think he would retain it if that is what makes the deal go through. Especially if the retain is something as little as 500k - 1 Mill.

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