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The Process of Trading Jarome Iginla Has Begun - Part 2

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03-22-2013, 01:46 PM
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03-22-2013, 01:50 PM
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Sorry to say, but it's true. Iggy isn't who he once was. In his prime, he is better than Neal and Kunitz, but now Neal is clearly better, and Kunitz is arguable.
Neal is arguable, Kunitz is so far from being in the same class as Iginla at 35 its not even funny. You put Iginla on Crosby's line and he's giving you 50 goals, plus giving Crosby the space he doesn't have with Kunitz to score 50 of his own. Crosby and Iginla on the same line would likely be the best duo in the league by a long shot.

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Ignore all Pens fans who suggest any winger on our roster is better than Iggy. It's complete nonsense. False. Misguided. Stupid. Sad. And painful to read.
Agreed.

So hopefully no one lumps all Pens fans in with that line of thinking.

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Sorry to say, but it's true. Iggy isn't who he once was. In his prime, he is better than Neal and Kunitz, but now Neal is clearly better, and Kunitz is arguable.
In the best season of his career, Chris Kunitz netted 61 points. The last time Iginla scored LESS than 61 points was in 1998.

James Neal was a 25 goal scorer until he put up 40 next to Malkin. I couldn't be happier to have Neal on the Pens, but I'm not delusional enough to see him as anything more than a one-dimensional sniper.

If you want to argue that Iginla is not a long-term solution because he's 35 years old, that's one thing. But to argue that Neal and Chris friggin' Kunitz are better players is disgusting.

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Sorry to say, but it's true. Iggy isn't who he once was. In his prime, he is better than Neal and Kunitz, but now Neal is clearly better, and Kunitz is arguable.
No its not...it really really isn't.

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Sorry to say, but it's true. Iggy isn't who he once was. In his prime, he is better than Neal and Kunitz, but now Neal is clearly better, and Kunitz is arguable.
Also, in Iggy's prime he didn't even have a center and scored 50+ twice, in his prime, you don't even get to mention guys like Neal and Kunitz in a comparison with him. At 35 you can mention them in a comparison with him, as long as the comparison is about how he is still better than both of them at almost every facet of the game, with the exception of Neal being fairly similar offensively.

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Also, in Iggy's prime he didn't even have a center and scored 50+ twice, in his prime, you don't even get to mention guys like Neal and Kunitz in a comparison with him. At 35 you can mention them in a comparison with him, as long as the comparison is about how he is still better than both of them at almost every facet of the game, with the exception of Neal being fairly similar offensively.
Agreed. Several Pens fans, myself included, have rightfully jumped down this person's throat for making such an asinine claim. As crazy as HF can be, I never thought I'd see the day when somebody claimed that Chris Kunitz is better than Jarome Iginla

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I wouldn't count it out. Morrow and Pouliot could very well be involved in conversations; Calgary is extremely familiar with those two. Maata might the defensive prospect this board wants to give up... but I doubt he's first when it comes to prospects being discussed. Calgary passed him over in the draft, and I see no reason why Feaster wouldn't pursue Morrow and Pouliot hard first.
FTR I sincerely doubt anyone disagreed with you that Feaster would and should bring Morrow up in conversation. All Pens fans are saying is, that they feel similarly confident as you do about Feaster pursuing him, that Shero will not give Morrow up. If it even comes to a trade, someone's confidence might have been misplaced, but it is the only way we'll know.

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FTR I sincerely doubt anyone disagreed with you that Feaster would and should bring Morrow up in conversation. All Pens fans are saying is, that they feel similarly confident as you do about Feaster pursuing him, that Shero will not give Morrow up. If it even comes to a trade, someone's confidence might have been misplaced, but it is the only way we'll know.
Yeah, pretty much. I have no doubt Feaster would push for Morrow or Pouliot, why wouldn't he? But Shero's history is that of a shrewd trader who doesn't overpay and isn't afraid to walk away when he feels like an asking price is too high. With as high as the Pens organization seems to be on Morrow, I just don't see him being dealt for a rental. Any rental. We'll see.

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Do you think Kunitz and Dupuis' season would make it easier to re-sign Iginla for 3-4 years, now that it's been shown that building chemistry with Crosby will get you a career year ?
If he can stick around on Crosby's wing for a while, develop said chemistry, push for 50 goals and 100 points again and hopefully win another cup, he's a lock for HHOF.

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Yeah, pretty much. I have no doubt Feaster would push for Morrow or Pouliot, why wouldn't he? But Shero's history is that of a shrewd trader who doesn't overpay and isn't afraid to walk away when he feels like an asking price is too high. With as high as the Pens organization seems to be on Morrow, I just don't see him being dealt for a rental. Any rental. We'll see.
Yep, just like he would have pushed for Bennett. I personally feel Dumolin will be the dman, Flames have probably had a decent chance to check him out at BC between keeping tabs on Gaudreau and Arnold aswell.

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Someone should check if Gillis' pants are on fire.
I LOL'ed at this. I really hope Feaster's pants are on fire too, because if they aren't he's either:

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B. A complete puppet.

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James Neal has significantly higher value than Jarome Iginla. He doesn't have the career of Iginla, and probably willl never match it, but I think that's still important to point out here. Iginla coming to Pittsburgh today would never have the chance of ousting James Neal from the top 6, and I don't think Kunitz either.

But yeah, clearly, neither Pens winger is comparable to Jarome Iginla if we look at their careers as a whole.

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Agreed.

So hopefully no one lumps all Pens fans in with that line of thinking.
We don't. Every team has their fan boys. We have them too. Even rational fans sometimes have certain biases. I know I see guys like Glencross and Stempniak as a lot more valuable than they probably are.

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Do you think Kunitz and Dupuis' season would make it easier to re-sign Iginla for 3-4 years, now that it's been shown that building chemistry with Crosby will get you a career year ?
If he can stick around on Crosby's wing for a while, develop said chemistry, push for 50 goals and 100 points again and hopefully win another cup, he's a lock for HHOF.
Iginla's already a lock for HHOF.

But as it has been said, if Iginla feels that Pittsburgh provides him the best opportunity to win a cup, he'll most likely re-sign there.

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Do you think Kunitz and Dupuis' season would make it easier to re-sign Iginla for 3-4 years, now that it's been shown that building chemistry with Crosby will get you a career year ?
If he can stick around on Crosby's wing for a while, develop said chemistry, push for 50 goals and 100 points again and hopefully win another cup, he's a lock for HHOF.
The current Iginla situation is a travesty. I don't feel he'll return to Calgary next season, you can tell he's feeling down. In order for Calgary to move on they unfortunately need to part ways with Iginla, I still think he's a fantastic player but he just shouldn't be the go to guy anymore, at least not without adding a legitimate, #1C.

Iginla has been my favourite player for 10+ will be very sad to see him go, but it's the only way for Calgary to move on and to give the guy a well deserved opportunity at a championship.

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James Neal has significantly higher value than Jarome Iginla. He doesn't have the career of Iginla, and probably willl never match it, but I think that's still important to point out here. Iginla coming to Pittsburgh today would never have the chance of ousting James Neal from the top 6, and I don't think Kunitz either.

But yeah, clearly, neither Pens winger is comparable to Jarome Iginla if we look at their careers as a whole.
James Neal might have better trade value. To say Kunitz and Neal would be included in the top 6 ahead of him is ridiculous as the vast majority of even Pens fans have said. Are you OC Penguins little brother by chance? I'm wondering if it's a genetic thing...

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Iginla's already a lock for HHOF.

But as it has been said, if Iginla feels that Pittsburgh provides him the best opportunity to win a cup, he'll most likely re-sign there.
I think he meant for this year. I think he would like to reunite with Sutter out in L.A. especially with the re-alignment starting next year.

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James Neal might have better trade value. To say Kunitz and Neal would be included in the top 6 ahead of him is ridiculous as the vast majority of even Pens fans have said. Are you OC Penguins little brother by chance? I'm wondering if it's a genetic thing...
I dunno if you've been watching Chris Kunitz play hockey this season but...

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I dunno if you've been watching Chris Kunitz play hockey this season but...
Yeah. I'm sure he's finally just hitting his prime right now and we'll see many more seasons like this one.

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Yeah. I'm sure he's finally just hitting his prime right now and we'll see many more seasons like this one.
Please note how I said Iginla coming to Pittsburgh today would have no impact on moving Chris Kunitz (or Neal for that matter) from the top 6. Has nothing to do with the rest of either of these players careers.

Chris Kunitz is playing unreal hockey right now. Have to give credit where credit is due. Ironically though, you are correct. In terms of motivation he really is hitting his prime. He's playing the most inspired hockey of his life. He scored a hat trick the night he had strep throat so bad he couldn't even swallow soup. Hasn't missed a game, or a beat.

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James Neal might have better trade value. To say Kunitz and Neal would be included in the top 6 ahead of him is ridiculous as the vast majority of even Pens fans have said. Are you OC Penguins little brother by chance? I'm wondering if it's a genetic thing...
No way he would push neal out. Doubtful kunitz either. Take a look who the NHL 2nd leading scorer is. Hint, hes double the points of iginla

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No way he would push neal out. Doubtful kunitz either. Take a look who the NHL 2nd leading scorer is. Hint, hes double the points of iginla
Yes because you and I couldn't score 25 with Sid bouncing pucks off our fat *****...

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Please note how I said Iginla coming to Pittsburgh today would have no impact on moving Chris Kunitz (or Neal for that matter) from the top 6. Has nothing to do with the rest of either of these players careers.

Chris Kunitz is playing unreal hockey right now. Have to give credit where credit is due. Ironically though, you are correct. In terms of motivation he really is hitting his prime. He's playing the most inspired hockey of his life. He scored a hat trick the night he had strep throat so bad he couldn't even swallow soup. Hasn't missed a game, or a beat.
You're right and you put him on Sutter's line instead of Crosby's and he's probably still second in league scoring. Sure he's playing well, would he be even a shadow of this player if he wasn't on Crosby's line, unlikely. The difference between Iginla and Kunitz is Crosby makes Kunitz better not the other way around, you put Iginla with Crosby and not only does Crosby make Iginla a better player, but Iginla makes Crosby a better player by giving him the space to play and the option to shoot, defencemen will give Iginla a whole lot more respect than they give Kunitz which will vastly open up the ice for Crosby.

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I think he meant for this year. I think he would like to reunite with Sutter out in L.A. especially with the re-alignment starting next year.
Depends on what Iginla's looking for and which team he feels provides the very best chance to win. Both LA and Pittsburgh are contenders but there is a big difference in styles. The Kings are better defensively while the Penguins are better offensively. And while Iginla may have enjoyed the greatest team success under Sutter's coaching, that style of play isn't conducive to good offensive numbers. Maybe Iginla feels that playing alongside Crosby is the best thing for his career, as he can still win but also put up great offensive numbers at the same time. Plus, Sutter's coaching style has a very short shelf life; it's really only effective for a two or three seasons before the players start tuning it out.

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