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03-22-2013, 04:11 PM
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I think the standards for the rafters should be whether the player makes the hall of fame. What we can say about Weight is that he was the most significant Oiler in the post dynasty era. Oilers history can look something like this:

Dynasty Years

Gretzky Era
79-88
Messier Era
88-91

Mediocre Years and Cup Run

Weight Era
92-01
Smyth Era*
01-07

Rebuilding Years

Hemsky Era
07-10
Hall Era
10-Present


*05-06 was the year of Pronger
Seeing that you don't include the WHA years ('72-'79), does that mean that Al Hamilton's jersey # should be unretired and/or not considered for honour? Should Bill Hunter remain publicly unrecognized despite his essential contribution to the Oilers franchise?

Again, I think some sort of prominently displayed honour board, banner or wall of honour would cover those who aren't rafter-worthy.

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03-22-2013, 04:15 PM
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You've never seen Anderson play in the playoffs have you.

Anderson > Weight by a landslide.
I have. You never watched Weight control the pace of an entire game, did you? Anderson was more effective in the playoffs, although Weight was pretty good in the playoffs as well on a far inferior team, so its not really fair to compare. Weight was way better in the regular season.

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03-22-2013, 04:17 PM
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If we had drafted lets say Seguin... #4 would still be in the rafters, and he is not in the HHOF

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03-22-2013, 04:18 PM
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If we had drafted lets say Seguin... #4 would still be in the rafters, and he is not in the HHOF
No, it wouldn't.

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03-22-2013, 04:26 PM
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Gotta be a Hall of Famer to see the rafters. Oilers rules.

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03-22-2013, 04:28 PM
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If we had drafted lets say Seguin... #4 would still be in the rafters, and he is not in the HHOF
Only way 4 is up there is if the Hall of Famer's see lowes respect to a team worth plus his stats to go up there. But I seriously doubt it.

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ah. i thought it was retired. but i guess not

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03-22-2013, 04:40 PM
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I have. You never watched Weight control the pace of an entire game, did you? Anderson was more effective in the playoffs, although Weight was pretty good in the playoffs as well on a far inferior team, so its not really fair to compare. Weight was way better in the regular season.
Definitely not denying Weight was overall better in the regular season. Heck, anyone would tell you there's no way Anderson gets into the HHOF based on his regular season play.

Anderson was one of the top playoff performers of all time, and that's soley the reason he's in, and that's why he's in the rafters.

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03-22-2013, 05:40 PM
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No, his #39 is not going into the rafters. Not even close to having that honour. We're not the Canucks, we have a higher standard to getting your number up there.

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Yes. He was a better player than Glenn Anderson (I know, blasphemy), but won't get in the Hall of Fame I'm sure. Even though he arguably should.
I love Dough Weight but if he is in the Hall of Fame. You might as well open it up to a hundred other people.

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03-22-2013, 06:13 PM
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Doug Weight was my all time favorite Oiler growing up and probably my favorite oiler of all time.

That said, I don't see his number being retired. Maybe honoured , but not retired.

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03-22-2013, 06:56 PM
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Doug Weight was my all time favorite Oiler growing up and probably my favorite oiler of all time.

That said, I don't see his number being retired. Maybe honoured , but not retired.
What would you do to honour him?

On ice ceremony before the next Canes game? Give him a painting?

I'm curious to know what you, or anyone once, thinks would be an acceptable mention of honouring him.

The only guideline I'd like to see, keep the ceremony shorter than 10 minutes. I hate when things like that just drag on.

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03-22-2013, 07:40 PM
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Again, I think some sort of prominently displayed honour board, banner or wall of honour would cover those who aren't rafter-worthy.
I have it on high authority within the org that the first year in the new arena will be absolutely filled with player tributes and the org's version of a wall of honour. They've been holding back for the past several years since they always knew they'd be leaving the old barn.

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I remember Weight being offered $6.7M/year in 2001 to stay with the Oilers, getting $8M or $9M/year instead with St. Louis, and commenting that his family's future was now "secure".

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As much as I love Doug Weight, no I would not send his 39 to the rafters. What I would be in favor of is something similar to the Yankees Monument Park.

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03-23-2013, 12:01 AM
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Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, Schultz, Nugent-Hopkins, Paajarvi, and Gagner may all surpass Doug Weight as players in their own right, and I think we could easily see a scenario where some of their numbers get retired in the distant future. In my opinion, you have to win something to merit getting your number retired or else be a uniquely special player. I don't see Weight being that caliber of player, although he is the closest the team has come to that type of player in many years.

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03-23-2013, 12:06 AM
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Lets take a look at the oilers rafters
Al Hamilton
Paul Coffey
Glenn Anderson
Mark Messier
Jari Kurri
Grant Fuhr
Wayne Gretzky
Its a pretty exclusive group, doug weight was awesome but we never won a cup with him i know its not his fault but i just don't think he makes that list.

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03-23-2013, 12:09 AM
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Yes. He was a better player than Glenn Anderson (I know, blasphemy), but won't get in the Hall of Fame I'm sure. Even though he arguably should.
Spoken like somebody who never saw Anderson in the playoffs or when a game was on the line.

I really loved Weight and yes he could control a game. Weight and guys like Smyth should get a spot in a corridor of honour or something in the new arena. He won't be a HHOFer and that is the criteria. Heck, Lowe isn't even in the rafters yet.


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03-23-2013, 12:12 AM
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Definitely not denying Weight was overall better in the regular season. Heck, anyone would tell you there's no way Anderson gets into the HHOF based on his regular season play.

Anderson was one of the top playoff performers of all time, and that's soley the reason he's in, and that's why he's in the rafters.
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03-23-2013, 01:39 AM
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Spoken like somebody who never saw Anderson in the playoffs or when a game was on the line.

I really loved Weight and yes he could control a game. Weight and guys like Smyth should get a spot in a corridor of honour or something in the new arena. He won't be a HHOFer and that is the criteria. Heck, Lowe isn't even in the rafters yet.
Lowe certainly deserves it over Weight, and Lowe will undoubtedly receive the honour when he retires from the organization.

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03-23-2013, 01:45 AM
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Yup. And it's going to be a long, long time before we see another 100 point man.

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Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, Schultz, Nugent-Hopkins, Paajarvi, and Gagner may all surpass Doug Weight as players in their own right, and I think we could easily see a scenario where some of their numbers get retired in the distant future. In my opinion, you have to win something to merit getting your number retired or else be a uniquely special player. I don't see Weight being that caliber of player, although he is the closest the team has come to that type of player in many years.
Doubtful.

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If the Oilers had a "ring of honour," he would be in for sure, but as others have said, he wasn't important enough to have his number retired.

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Yeah, like it was his choice.
He could have pulled a Bergeron and took out a teammate.

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Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, Schultz, Nugent-Hopkins, Paajarvi, and Gagner may all surpass Doug Weight as players in their own right, and I think we could easily see a scenario where some of their numbers get retired in the distant future.
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Doubtful.
To be fair, the future isn't written in stone. This season, Hall is already putting up Weight-like numbers at the age of 21. Gagner is now also putting up Weight-like numbers at the same age as when Weight put up his first 70+ point season. Eberle has already finished on the leaderboard last season (15th in both goals and points), the first Oiler to finish top-20 in scoring since Weight himself. I can see our first overalls plus Gagner and Eberle possibly having more career points and greater career longevity.

Weight had an impressive (albeit not spectacular) prime as an Oiler. He broke 80 points three times, was top 20 in points those same years (11th, 20th, and 8th... guess which years), and was 21st in two more times when he just missed being on the leaderboard. He was top 10 in assists four times (5th, 5th, 8th, and 4th) as an Oiler (two more times as a Blue). Over all of his prime years, he was 14th in points and 5th in assists (three-way tie for 15th in points per game at 1.03, 8th in assists per game).

That's pretty tough for anyone to match over a several-year span, but it's not impossible. In another thread, I bet that Hall will finish top 10 in scoring before the age of 25, so I might as well bet that Hall in his prime will be better than 15th in points over a six-year stretch, like Weight.


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