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03-23-2013, 11:04 AM
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I'd agree with the order being proposed here, depending on where the Flyers are picking:
1) Jones
2) MacKinnon
3) Drouin
4) Barkov
5) Nurse

And it makes perfect sense, as LoD posted, for Columbus to use one of their picks on Nikushkin if he is available when they draft. They can arguably afford to take the chance on him and still snag a couple of lower-risk players.
I think that the Caps could take Nichushkin. Or Tampa Bay.

Not over the top three guys, and maybe not over Barkov, but over some of the others? I could see that.

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03-23-2013, 11:10 AM
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As a fanbase, are we okay with someone related to McNabb, who will undoubtedly, because he cannot stop himself, poison the hell out of the mind of anyone he comes in contact with regarding how to behave in Philadelphia?

He just cannot shut his dumb mouth.

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03-23-2013, 11:28 AM
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I think that the Caps could take Nichushkin. Or Tampa Bay.

Not over the top three guys, and maybe not over Barkov, but over some of the others? I could see that.
Agreed, they could, after a long internal discussion of risk-benefit. And their fanbases, arguably, are a bit more patient. The pressure for the Flyers on grabbing a high-impact player this season, after an uncharacteristically disastrous result and with such a deep draft class, is too high to make a mistake that could be avoided by avoiding a player with question marks like Nichushkin (thanks for correcting my spelling).

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03-23-2013, 11:56 AM
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yah i agree with you guys

yah we gotta nail this pick. our pick has got to be a stud. nichuskin (sp) is way to risky at the spot we will be picking, pretty darn low.. washington may get a potential home run if they pick nich. but the caps are a really funny team, more bizarre than us.so we know what we need, but watching the caps, its like what do they need. i would say ovie playing a style that wins games for them. we need a top 6 forward with star power and a dman than can skate and improve our transition game.and when these young guys we have improve, this is gonna be one scary team. as shaky as our goaltending has been a coach with a more defensive style will improve that. and that stolarz kid we drafted from jersey is progressing as we need him to be. are we gonna take a run at bernier. maybe, if involves matt read, as much as i like read, i would sleep well with that. and trading briere, he has done a lot for us in 4 yrs and that is appreciated. but its time for his contract to leave.

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03-23-2013, 12:09 PM
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As a fanbase, are we okay with someone related to McNabb, who will undoubtedly, because he cannot stop himself, poison the hell out of the mind of anyone he comes in contact with regarding how to behave in Philadelphia?

He just cannot shut his dumb mouth.
I'd be very comfortable with it. There is nothing McNabb can tell him that any Flyers player who has been there for any length of time couldn't also tell him. This should be a serious non-issue.

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03-23-2013, 01:07 PM
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Has anyone seen Shea Theodore play(Seattle, WHL)? He may still be around when the Flyers pick in the 2nd. His offensive numbers are excellent and I'm curious as to whether or not he can defend.

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03-23-2013, 02:42 PM
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Has anyone seen Shea Theodore play(Seattle, WHL)? He may still be around when the Flyers pick in the 2nd. His offensive numbers are excellent and I'm curious as to whether or not he can defend.
He's a little weak physically and his defense is a work in progress. No one seems to have a real report on what his weight is. I've read on some places that he's 154 pounds while the Thuderbirds website has him listed at 175 pounds.

In Theodore's defense, he's got a rocket of a shot and he's become very successful at running the point of a power play. Anyone who drafts him, you're looking at a four year window before he makes the big club. Head Coach Steve Konowalchuk has compared him to Mike Green, but I don't see the Mike Green comparisons. I'd say his game is more similar to that of Kris Russell's game. The one thing that Theodore will have though will be size IF he can put on more weight.

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No doubt that Drouin is an elite prospect. His hands are the best in the draft IMO, and he just oozes offense.

But I still think MacKinnon is the better prospect, because he has elite talent like Drouin, but has better skating and a better frame. His body and game is just much more suited for the NHL.

I still think Jones is the best prospect in the draft though.
Drouin not only has the best hands in the draft but some of the best hands to EVER come into the league.

MacKinnon may be slightly bigger and a faster skater, but you can't teach what Drouin has in smarts and hands. You can improve your skating and you can fill out physically, but you can't get a player to think the game at Drouin's level. The kid has unreal intangibles.

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As a fanbase, are we okay with someone related to McNabb, who will undoubtedly, because he cannot stop himself, poison the hell out of the mind of anyone he comes in contact with regarding how to behave in Philadelphia?

He just cannot shut his dumb mouth.
They're not related by blood.

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Has anyone seen Shea Theodore play(Seattle, WHL)? He may still be around when the Flyers pick in the 2nd. His offensive numbers are excellent and I'm curious as to whether or not he can defend.
I like him. He needs some work on the defensive side of the puck, but I'm always in favor of drafting the offensive defenseman and teaching them the defensive side of the game as opposed to the other way around. To put up the points he did as an 18 year old on the team he was on is quite impressive. I have a feeling he rises into the first come June.

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03-23-2013, 02:46 PM
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So many of you have seen a lot of NA players and a re focusing on them. I don't see any evaluations of the Euros here. There are several of them that deserve to be considered in the top tier. Ristolainen for sure.
Aside from Pitkanen, the Flyers haven't delved into Euro market very frequently, meanwhile almost every other team is loading up with good Euro defensemen. They may not be the big strong Weber types but they usually are good passers and strong positional players. Something that the Flyers lack. When the team does get a talented Euro, they are kicked to the curb for being soft. Pitkanen or Seidenberg would look pretty nice on the Flyer's blue line right now.

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03-23-2013, 02:52 PM
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So many of you have seen a lot of NA players and a re focusing on them. I don't see any evaluations of the Euros here. There are several of them that deserve to be considered in the top tier. Ristolainen for sure.
Aside from Pitkanen, the Flyers haven't delved into Euro market very frequently, meanwhile almost every other team is loading up with good Euro defensemen. They may not be the big strong Weber types but they usually are good passers and strong positional players. Something that the Flyers lack. When the team does get a talented Euro, they are kicked to the curb for being soft. Pitkanen or Seidenberg would look pretty nice on the Flyer's blue line right now.
Pitkanen asked to be moved because he wasn't happy in Philadelphia. It had nothing to do with the Flyers not being happy with him. As for Seidenberg, I think everyone would want that move back, especially when you consider he was moved for Petr Nedved. It was a panic move that Clarke made. However, let's not forget that Seidenberg didn't really blossom as a defender until he got to Boston and paired up with Chara.

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03-23-2013, 03:06 PM
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Drouin not only has the best hands in the draft but some of the best hands to EVER come into the league.

MacKinnon may be slightly bigger and a faster skater, but you can't teach what Drouin has in smarts and hands. You can improve your skating and you can fill out physically, but you can't get a player to think the game at Drouin's level. The kid has unreal intangibles.



They're not related by blood.



I like him. He needs some work on the defensive side of the puck, but I'm always in favor of drafting the offensive defenseman and teaching them the defensive side of the game as opposed to the other way around. To put up the points he did as an 18 year old on the team he was on is quite impressive. I have a feeling he rises into the first come June.
Whoa, whoa guy.

He hasn't even played a game at the nhl level lets wait until we deem his hands some of the best to ever enter the NHL.

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03-23-2013, 03:10 PM
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So many of you have seen a lot of NA players and a re focusing on them. I don't see any evaluations of the Euros here. There are several of them that deserve to be considered in the top tier. Ristolainen for sure.
Aside from Pitkanen, the Flyers haven't delved into Euro market very frequently, meanwhile almost every other team is loading up with good Euro defensemen. They may not be the big strong Weber types but they usually are good passers and strong positional players. Something that the Flyers lack. When the team does get a talented Euro, they are kicked to the curb for being soft. Pitkanen or Seidenberg would look pretty nice on the Flyer's blue line right now.
Ristolainen gets plenty of love on here by certain posters. The thing with him is he's considered a safe pick with not as much upside as other defensemen in this draft. That's why you see some posters wanting Nurse or Zadorov a lot.

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I'm one of those guys that likes Rist. I like Nurse more (and possible same with Pulock), but still I would be happy to see Rist here.

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03-23-2013, 03:16 PM
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Whoa, whoa guy.

He hasn't even played a game at the nhl level lets wait until we deem his hands some of the best to ever enter the NHL.
Yeah he's got some sick hands very Patrick Kane like. But it's a lot easier to stick handle around defenders in juniors than the NHL. We should wait until plays a game first before claiming that.

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Thanks, gentlemen-just what I was looking for. I have seen Theodore's shot in highlights, and liked what I saw.

Not to be too negative, but I've pretty much come to accept that whatever a player is in juniors is what we're stuck with, because developing young players is not exactly an organizational strong suit.

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03-23-2013, 03:23 PM
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I realized something. I've been calling Ristolainen "Rist", and the last two videos I watched of him, he has a very good wrister. So... it makes sense then.

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They're not related by blood.
They're related by cell phone. Close enough McNabb can call him and let him know how much of a victim he is going to be, how the fans are horrible, and how you should not want to play there as soon as you can get out, do.

He's that bitter I would expect that phone call to happen.

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Pitkanen asked to be moved because he wasn't happy in Philadelphia. It had nothing to do with the Flyers not being happy with him. As for Seidenberg, I think everyone would want that move back, especially when you consider he was moved for Petr Nedved. It was a panic move that Clarke made. However, let's not forget that Seidenberg didn't really blossom as a defender until he got to Boston and paired up with Chara.
IIRC, the team stood around while Fedoruk punched him in the face during a practice session. Nothing came out of that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu8-SBTUcqY
Seriously who was Fedoruk to take on a kid like that? It had to send a bad message to Pitkanen at the time. Can't blame him for wanting out of here after that.
Seidenberg started to show some skills while he was a Flyer. He did play better with the Hurricanes before going on to the B's. The skill was there but the Flyers wanted crease clearing defensemen instead, as usual.


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They're related by cell phone. Close enough McNabb can call him and let him know how much of a victim he is going to be, how the fans are horrible, and how you should not want to play there as soon as you can get out, do.

He's that bitter I would expect that phone call to happen.
I don't remember McNabb wanting out of Philly. I suspect that he has fonder memories of his time there than some fans do. To put it more bluntly, if the Flyers were to draft Nurse and there were to be any issues in any way involving his relationship with McNabb, I'm pretty sure those issues would be instigated by either the fans or the media, not by McNabb.

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IIRC, the team stood around while Fedoruk punched him in the face during a practice session. Nothing came out of that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu8-SBTUcqY
Seriously who was Fedoruk to take on a kid like that? It had to send a bad message to Pitkanen at the time. Can't blame him for wanting out of here after that.

Seidenberg started to show some skills while he was a Flyer. He did play better with the Hurricanes before going on to the B's. The skill was there but the Flyers wanted crease clearing defensemen instead, as usual.
If that's the real reason he wanted out, then I'm glad we got rid of him. Fights happen between teammates at practices all the time. If he couldn't put it past him then I would have to question his character.


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I don't remember McNabb wanting out of Philly. I suspect that he has fonder memories of his time there than some fans do. To put it more bluntly, if the Flyers were to draft Nurse and there were to be any issues in any way involving his relationship with McNabb, I'm pretty sure those issues would be instigated by either the fans or the media, not by McNabb.
He wanted out of Philadelphia or the criticism to end completely if you listen to the former Eagle players turned radiohosts. He wanted to play for the Bears around 2007.

.... and you're insane if you don't think McNabb would be calling him. If you're one of those McNabb apologists, just say so now so I can end this conversation.

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He wanted out of Philadelphia or the criticism to end completely if you listen to the former Eagle players turned radiohosts. He wanted to play for the Bears around 2007.

.... and you're insane if you don't think McNabb would be calling him. If you're one of those McNabb apologists, just say so now so I can end this conversation.
Like another person said they're not even related by blood. We don't even know what their relationship is like. I think you're worrying a little too much about this.

For the record I can't stand McNabb.

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He wanted out of Philadelphia or the criticism to end completely if you listen to the former Eagle players turned radiohosts. He wanted to play for the Bears around 2007.

.... and you're insane if you don't think McNabb would be calling him. If you're one of those McNabb apologists, just say so now so I can end this conversation.
Bro you need to ease up. If we draft him it will be fine.

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Bro you need to ease up. If we draft him it will be fine.
Just wait until he starts drilling all his passes into the feet of players.

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He wanted out of Philadelphia or the criticism to end completely if you listen to the former Eagle players turned radiohosts. He wanted to play for the Bears around 2007.

.... and you're insane if you don't think McNabb would be calling him. If you're one of those McNabb apologists, just say so now so I can end this conversation.
According to Nurse they already speak by phone regularly, so whatever damage you're worrying about has probably already been done. Maybe Nurse will refuse to play for the Flyers like Linrdros refused to play for Quebec? Seriously, this is way low on the list of things for Flyers fans to worry about. I would love to get Nurse, I don't care if his uncle is Gary Bettman (we know he hates the Flyers).

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