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03-09-2013, 06:53 AM
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I don't actually think Shinkaruk is that small. He's got a frame. He's skates a little hunched over and is really thin. I do see room for filling out, though. He's not as compact looking as a guy like Skinner. At least that was my impression when watching him at the super series. He'd probably be my pick at seventh overall, but I'd be tempted to trade down. To me, he's like "the best of the rest" but not somebody that I'd be so much more incredibly thrilled to draft than Domi, Lazar, Pulock, etc that I wouldn't consider grabbing an extra asset in return for passing him up.

I really, really hope that the Memorial Cup features Edmonton, Quebec, and Windsor in Saskatoon. I'm desperate to get a first look at Erne and a new look at Rychel who has reportedly improved a lot since I last saw him. I'm already in love with Lazar and Samuelsson, and just plain like to watch them play.
He does skate hunched over but he is short. He's 5'11" with skates on is my theory. Not Turris skinny but still noticeably small. He's skilled but I'd be worried about his game translating. This is where I buy into the Bill Torey model and go for the center ahead of the winger Of course I highlighted some negatives when I first went to see Turris play in Burnaby and Mueller play in Everett. Skill is there for top 10 but I think Shinkaruk may drop to Top 15-20. At that point he would become a steal.

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03-09-2013, 08:37 AM
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He does seem to score lot more "junior" goals that "pro" goals. But, it's really because he can get away with it at this level due to that sneaky, accurate, excellent shot. That won't go away. He's just got a lot to learn and some growing to do. Which is fine, it's true of most of these kids. One thing that does concern me, though, is that I can't see him in the NHL next year, or the year after. But he won't be AHL eligible, either. He's going to be way too good for the WHL very soon. Bit of a development concern.

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Apparently he's a great skater. One of a handful of great BIG draft eligibles in the Q this year. Between him, Erne and Mantha I change my favourite almost every day. Then there's Carrier as well. I guess since Gauthier plays C he fits our needs the best.
As an Oilers fan, I hope we get one of those guys as well with a mid first rounder. Of course...its still up in the air where we draft. Been pretty easy for us the last 3 years.

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03-23-2013, 11:10 AM
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Watch all of Alexander Wennberg's games here:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list..._VjL8XQkoJGPqv

Joygasm...

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03-24-2013, 01:22 AM
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Watch all of Alexander Wennberg's games here:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list..._VjL8XQkoJGPqv

Joygasm...
Swedish? I'm game. There's actually a really simple reason for why Finns and Swedes rarely completely bust. Whenever a kid is drafted out of those leagues, he is almost always playing against men (and having success) whereas North American players are generally playing against sketchy competition. This is doubly true for talents that are considered worthy of being a first round pick. You get to benchmark them against not only men, but kids in their same age range if they make the WJC teams.

2011:
Gabriel Landeskog
Adam Larsson
Mika Zibanejad
Jonas Brodin
Oscar Klefbom
Rickard Rakell

4 NHLers, and 2 soon to be.

2009:
Victor Hedman
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Magnus Paajarvi
David Rundblad
Jacob Josefson
Marcus Johansson

6 NHLers. Rundblad would realistically be playing for any other team.

2007:
Backlund

2006:
Backstrom
Persson
Berglund

You have to go back to 2006 to find your first flat out 1st round bust that came to NA from Sweden. Even then, you've got a very, very good player in Berglund taken right after him. The only problem with Swedes and Finns is projecting their upside. Nokelainen and Korpikoski, like Sjostrom, were first round picks. That being said, all three at least turned into useful NHL players. You really set yourself up for success when you take a kid already having success against full grown men. If OEL is the future of the franchise, it wouldn't hurt to surround him with a few fellow countrymen.

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03-24-2013, 08:06 AM
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With Nokie and Korpi I always remember that Tukonen was supposed to be the star from that line in juniors which was absolutely dominant. And Sjostrom just looked like a star on the verge of breaking out.. I remember the Roenick spin-o-rama goal he scored for Calgary.

We've made a good start to the "OEL-era" with Henrik Samuellsson but traditionally our European scouting hasnt been very good.

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Sjostrom was likely ruined in the AHL by poor coaching. Tukonen had some... serious character issues. It's not flawless, especially past the first round, but those taken top 30 from those two countries seem to stick in the NHL. It could just be selection bias on my part, seeing as how there are generally 2-3x as many NA players taken each year, thus greater opportunity for bust. Still, it's hard to not appreciate the fundamentals most Swedes and Finns come with. The pleasant disposition helps too. You still get the occasional Omark or Rundblad, but in general coaches demand 2 way play over there.

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03-27-2013, 04:16 PM
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You have to go back to 2006 to find your first flat out 1st round bust that came to NA from Sweden.
Well this guy did play one game in NA .

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player...r=6058&lang=en

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03-30-2013, 12:38 AM
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Still eagerly awaiting the memorial cup but my early top forward list is as follows....

1. MacKinnon
2. Drouin
3. Lindholm
4. Barkov
5. Monahan
6. Shinkaruk
7. Lazar/Wennberg
8. Wennberg/Lazar

Honestly just the smallest of most microscopic of margins between one and two. Same goes for three through five. Six is a fair bit ahead of seven and eight who are literally completely tied, in my mind. I think all eight have a really good shot at being first line NHL forwards. That quite simply never happens in NHL entry drafts. This is honestly my favorite crop of forwards in any draft since I started paying attention about twelve years ago.

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03-30-2013, 09:57 AM
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Still eagerly awaiting the memorial cup but my early top forward list is as follows....

1. MacKinnon
2. Drouin
3. Lindholm
4. Barkov
5. Monahan
6. Shinkaruk
7. Lazar/Wennberg
8. Wennberg/Lazar

Honestly just the smallest of most microscopic of margins between one and two. Same goes for three through five. Six is a fair bit ahead of seven and eight who are literally completely tied, in my mind. I think all eight have a really good shot at being first line NHL forwards. That quite simply never happens in NHL entry drafts. This is honestly my favorite crop of forwards in any draft since I started paying attention about twelve years ago.
I feel you. The fact that there is like 9 or 10 forwards that I would be ecstatic to pick is pretty mind blowing. I wish the draft would just get here already

For the record, here's my ranking:

MacKinnon
Barkov
Drouin
Lindholm
Monahan
Shinkaruk
Lazar
Erne
Domi
Wennberg

rt, mind posting the link with Wennberg's games again? That link isn't working.

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03-30-2013, 10:14 AM
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For the record, here's my ranking:

MacKinnon
Barkov
Drouin
Lindholm
Monahan
Shinkaruk
Lazar
Erne
Domi
Wennberg

rt, mind posting the link with Wennberg's games again? That link isn't working.
I like this all except I'd mov Erne below Domi & Wennberg, or 'd replace Erne with Nichuskin

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03-30-2013, 10:22 AM
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I like this all except I'd mov Erne below Domi & Wennberg, or 'd replace Erne with Nichuskin
To be honest, I've basically ignored Nichuskin because I don't think there's any way in hell Maloney drafts him. But yes, if I was rating prospects overall, he would be very high on that list.

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I dont like Nichushkin at all. The definition of one trick pony. Quintessential.

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I feel you. The fact that there is like 9 or 10 forwards that I would be ecstatic to pick is pretty mind blowing. I wish the draft would just get here already

For the record, here's my ranking:

MacKinnon
Barkov
Drouin
Lindholm
Monahan
Shinkaruk
Lazar
Erne
Domi
Wennberg

rt, mind posting the link with Wennberg's games again? That link isn't working.
Hockeyallsvenskan 2012/13 by Djurgårdens IF

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list..._VjL8XQkoJGPqv

I recommend game number eleven against Leksand.

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What do people think about a 4th round flyer on Sven Andrighetto?

He had an outstanding world juniors and continued his play in the Q and is now leading the Q playoffs in pts.

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What would everyone say if our 1st 4 rounds looked something like this?

#8 - Lindholm
#38 - Hurley
#68 - Bjorkstrand
#98 - Andrighetto

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What do people think about a 4th round flyer on Sven Andrighetto?

He had an outstanding world juniors and continued his play in the Q and is now leading the Q playoffs in pts.
Well, he plays for the same team that they signed Brisebois from, so you know the Coyotes are aware of his talent.

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03-31-2013, 01:51 AM
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What would everyone say if our 1st 4 rounds looked something like this?

#8 - Lindholm
#38 - Hurley
#68 - Bjorkstrand
#98 - Andrighetto

No way Lindholm slides that far. In the mock I'm doing now I traded the 8 and 38 for the number five and took Lindholm.

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I know, wishful thinking...so then what about

#8 - Monahan
#38 - Hurley
#68 - Bjorkstrand
#98 - Andrighetto

of course it would be great if some other teams felt that Klimchuk wasn't a 1st rounder and he fell to the 8th spot in the 2nd and the same for Lodge in the 3rd.

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I know, wishful thinking...so then what about

#8 - Monahan
#38 - Hurley
#68 - Bjorkstrand
#98 - Andrighetto

of course it would be great if some other teams felt that Klimchuk wasn't a 1st rounder and he fell to the 8th spot in the 2nd and the same for Lodge in the 3rd.
I'd still suspect we need to aim lower at that 8th spot. Probably Shinkaruk. I hate to say it but, to me, 8th overall is our old familiar "n+1" spot. Ugh.

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I know, Monahan is behind the top guys...I went and watched several hours of video on Lindholm and wow, great puck possession, I still like Barkov ahead of him, but not by much.

We really, really, really do need to finish in the bottom 5...it's Lindholm or better or bust.

Lazar keeps creeping up everyone's draft list. Now I've seen him as high as 12th...maybe RT you need to stop pimping him so he'd come back to earth a bit and possibly be available if we were able to somehow pull a miracle and get a mid to late 1st rounder.

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Hockeyallsvenskan 2012/13 by Djurgårdens IF

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list..._VjL8XQkoJGPqv

I recommend game number eleven against Leksand.
Thanks!

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Trying to see the numbers on those blue Djurgardens jerseys is a nightmare...

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Trying to see the numbers on those blue Djurgardens jerseys is a nightmare...
Yeah, the play by play guys is pretty good at calling out the names, though. Seems silly to say that makes him "good" but in this country, play by play guys HATE actually calling the play. They all just want to show how great their stupid personality is. I hate that.

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I'm doing another Mock: I have the eighth overall but I traded it(along with the 38th overall) to Calgary for the fifth overall.

Top ten went as follows:

1. Edmonton Oilers (FLA) Seth Jones D
2. Colorado Avalanche Nathan MacKinnon C
3. Tampa Bay Lightning Hunter Shinkaruk LW
4. Philadelphia Flyers Jonathan Drouin LW
5. Phoenix Coyotes (CGY) Elias Lindholm C
6. Florida Panthers (EDM) Aleksander Barkov C
7. Buffalo Sabres Sean Monahan C
8. Calgary Flames (PHX) Anthony Mantha LW
9. New York Islanders Valeri Nichushkin LW
10. Washington Capitals Ryan Pulock D


I didn't have a second, but if I did, I'd have taken Bjorkstrand. That's basically who I gave up, I guess. Justin Bailey, Nick Sorensen, JT Compher, Marco Dano, William Carrier, Ryan Kujawinski, and Hudson Fasching were all on the board, too. So I could've had any of them if I didn't move up.

In the third round I took JC Lipon. I don't have a fourth, obviously.

So that's it for rounds one through four; Lindholm and Lipon. I'd DEFINITELY do that trade over again. No regrets.

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