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03-23-2013, 02:48 PM
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Am I the only one here who doesn't understand all the fascination over Clowe?
No. I don't want him at all. We don't need grit players that can't skate and/or score. Too many one dimensional guys as it is.

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Am I the only one here who doesn't understand all the fascination over Clowe?
look at his career numbers, hopefully his value is down so he can be had on the cheap as a UFA. IF its Boyle and a 3rd for Clowe you have to do that. He's very gritty

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i'd miss boyle.. hes the only bottom 6 player that knows rangers hockey.. i hope he doesn't go.. but clowe is worth the risk.. UFA at the end of the season.. could only help us.. plus MIller is much better at center then wiing.. hes like a magnet on the puck and is all over the place.. centers a better place for him.. and we know hes defensively responsible..

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I really doubt the prospect going back the other way for a one armed impending UFA is any of; Miller/Kreider/Fasth/Lindberg/Nieves/McLIrath/Skjei/St. Croix/Nicholls (because he was just signed).

This is not Neil Smith cirac 1996 or 1997.

That leaves; Thomas/MZA/Noreau/Ceresnak/Borque/McColgan/Spelling/Anderson/Jean/Hrivik.

Noreau I doubt they'd move, same goes for Anderson.

My best guess just based on logic is either Thomas/MZA/McColgan would go back the other way along with Brian Boyle and 4th or 5th rounder for Clowe.

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03-23-2013, 02:51 PM
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The Sharks have and have had a Clowe-type of player on the roster. Have they achieved more than the Rangers?
Despite not winning the cup they have. First in the pacific 4 out of the lat 5 years. They make the playoffs every year. Conference finals 2x in the last 3 years.

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03-23-2013, 02:53 PM
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I really doubt the prospect going back the other way for a one armed impending UFA is any of; Miller/Kreider/Fasth/Lindberg/Nieves/McLIrath/Skjei/St. Croix/Nicholls (because he was just signed).

This is not Neil Smith cirac 1996 or 1997.

That leaves; Thomas/MZA/Noreau/Ceresnak/Borque/McColgan/Spelling/Anderson/Jean/Hrivik.

Noreau I doubt they'd move, same goes for Anderson.

My best guess just based on logic is either Thomas/MZA/McColgan would go back the other way along with Brian Boyle and 4th or 5th rounder for Clowe.
Thomas and/or MZA would be a bad move in my opinion. This team needs scorers, which those two are. Clowe is an impending UFA having a terrible season on a struggling team. Not worth a roster player and a prospect that addresses a team need.

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If you did not read it or you missed it brooksie wrote an article back in January about 3 players playing with other teams (2 of them are centers) that are on the Rangers reserve list. Fast and Lindeberg, Fast's team is done, but needs permission to leave because he is supposed to play in the world cup or championship (whichever) and then Lindeberg's team is still playing (according to a recent brooksie article). Both of those players have contracts according to Capgeek.com and then the third player who's an RFA, but is on the Rangers reserve list is Zukes.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_...zolcrocd4crFWN (article from January)

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...BSkCCE3hRPiMFN (today's article)
Has Zuke been playing Center? Either way I think it's just as suspect to expect any of those players to be key contributors at center ice for a team trying to make a run. Zuke for defense & physicality and Fast/Lindberg because they have never played on an NHL sheet, let alone in an NHL game.

If your options down the stretch for 3rd/4th line C are Miller, Newb, and Lindberg that's extremely suspect IMO. Not saying they couldn't get it done but I sure am not confident in it.

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Clowe is a grinder with hands. He's at that age where the skill part of his game is probably deteriorating.

He fights, hits, and cycles, plus he's a big body. One guy who I've loved to watch for years and always felt he could do well in this system. Plus he's played very well for San Jose in the two years they went to the WCF.

He's not a tier one power forward like a Kerr/Gillies/Graves/LeClair were, but more of a tier two; think Byfuglien on Chicago or any of you whom remember Bates Battaglia on Carolina and Mike LeClerc on Anaheim in the early 2000s.

Probably not much skill left in the tank for a top 6 role but maybe he can help the Rangers the way Wilf Paiment did in 86.

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Clowe is Prust with better hands and a better shot. He's a great hitter and fighter, which for as "gritty" and the bottom 6 apparently is the roster sorely lacks.

I would add that to the roster for the playoffs* every day of the week.

*pending

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Clowe is Prust with better hands and a better shot. He's a great hitter and fighter, which for as "gritty" and the bottom 6 apparently is the roster sorely lacks.

I would add that to the roster for the playoffs* every day of the week.

*pending
So would I, it all depends on the price.

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Thomas and/or MZA would be a bad move in my opinion. This team needs scorers, which those two are. Clowe is an impending UFA having a terrible season on a struggling team. Not worth a roster player and a prospect that addresses a team need.
I'd hate to give up either but if they want him THAT bad and San Jose gets a bidding war between the Rangers and Bruins then that's probably the absolute highest bid the Rangers would go.

Would love to get him for Boyle and a 3rd but not gonna happen in this market. I'd settle for Boyle a 3rd and Ceresnak or McColgan.

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i'd miss boyle.. hes the only bottom 6 player that knows rangers hockey.. i hope he doesn't go.. but clowe is worth the risk.. UFA at the end of the season.. could only help us.. plus MIller is much better at center then wiing.. hes like a magnet on the puck and is all over the place.. centers a better place for him.. and we know hes defensively responsible..

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Clowe is Prust with better hands and a better shot. He's a great hitter and fighter, which for as "gritty" and the bottom 6 apparently is the roster sorely lacks.

I would add that to the roster for the playoffs* every day of the week.

*pending
Except he's slow as molasses and takes dumb penalties.

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Has Zuke been playing Center? Either way I think it's just as suspect to expect any of those players to be key contributors at center ice for a team trying to make a run. Zuke for defense & physicality and Fast/Lindberg because they have never played on an NHL sheet, let alone in an NHL game.

If your options down the stretch for 3rd/4th line C are Miller, Newb, and Lindberg that's extremely suspect IMO. Not saying they couldn't get it done but I sure am not confident in it.
haha, my post said 2 of them are centers (Fast and Lindeberg)...Zuke's is not a center.

I am just as concerned about putting faith in 2 centers that have never played in the NHL, but NYR management are VERY high on both of them. There was an article not long ago where Slats was interviewed and he sounded like he was very impressed with their play this season and could not wait to get them over here. Kreider never played in the NHL either and he was brought in for playoffs last year and look what he did, 5 goals I think? he still needs to get used to the game in the regular season, but still that's not my point, my point is some players that have never played in the NHL can make immediate impacts on a team in the NHL.

I really think what hurt us was we let mainly some young players go and we signed aging veterans to their places, this team needs young guys in the bottom six who love to play and leave it all on the ice and not concerned about tomorrow. I think the older a player gets they concern themselves with tomorrow and tighten up on the stick for games.

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I'd hate to give up either but if they want him THAT bad and San Jose gets a bidding war between the Rangers and Bruins then that's probably the absolute highest bid the Rangers would go.

Would love to get him for Boyle and a 3rd but not gonna happen in this market. I'd settle for Boyle a 3rd and Ceresnak or McColgan.
I could live with the bolded. If they want/need Thomas or MZA coming back, they can keep Clowe as far as I'm concerned. If it were a few seasons ago, Clowe would be worth losing some really solid pieces for. Currently, he's just not worth that. Again, the last thing this team needs is another slow player who is having trouble scoring.

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Fasth is a winger.
you are correct, I was mistaken. for whatever reason in my head I thought he was a center. so my original post edit 1 of them is a center (Lindeberg).

Thanks for catching that. I am human.

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I refuse to call him Fast until he is over here in North America (kinda like how the WWE is still the WWF to me and the Angles are still the Anaheim Angels not the LA Angels of Anaheim).

In any event; Fasth did play some center at the end of the regular season for HV71 but I think that was more of coach Ulf Dahlen just trying things out for the sake of trying them. He didn't score any points during that stretch so that was clearly an experiment.

But back to trade talks...if Boyle does go then the Rangers need to have another center. There is NO way this team is going anywhere with just Stepan, an out of shape/whatever Richards, Kris "takes a stupid penalty a game and does nothing else" Newburry, and JT Miller with a potentially lingering wrist issue. if Lindberg's team which is a #1 seed goes all the way then he might not get his paperwork done until the end of the regular season to come over.

They must get another center, absolutely must.

Can they get Handzus back from SJ? Always liked the guy and he's not exactly lighting the lamp.

Maybe if they trade Boyle the plan is to get a younger center (Tatar? Tiofolli? Colin Wilson) back in a deal for Gabby.

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you are correct, I was mistaken. for whatever reason in my head I thought he was a center. so my original post edit 1 of them is a center (Lindeberg).

Thanks for catching that. I am human.

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His name as always been Fast, but his family has always gone by Fasth.

He played as Fasth just a couple of days ago. Will he change when he goes to NA?

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His name as always been Fast, but his family has always gone by Fasth.

He played as Fasth just a couple of days ago. Will he change when he goes to NA?
Fasth looks cooler.

Ola, is it pronounced as Jesper or Yesper and Fast or Fost?

I've been calling him Yesper Fost after Sam Rosen did when he played at the WJCs a few years ago.

Spelled Fast it might sell more jerseys and bring up more convos with non fans.

LOL..when they first picked hm in 2010 my g/fs first question was "Is he actually fast?"

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Again on LA.

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Fasth looks cooler.

Ola, is it pronounced as Jesper or Yesper and Fast or Fost?

I've been calling him Yesper Fost after Sam Rosen did when he played at the WJCs a few years ago.

Spelled Fast it might sell more jerseys and bring up more convos with non fans.

LOL..when they first picked hm in 2010 my g/fs first question was "Is he actually fast?"
It's directly translated to firm or solid (or like a different meaning of "albeit" lol).

It's not pronounced like the english fast. More like the fast part in "FASTen your seatbelts".

I am not sure about Jesper, maybe it comes more natural for you guys to say it with more of a y-sound (especially in NY?), but can it differ that much?

Swedes sounds a bit naive when they pronounce "j". I work alot with with English and Americans and get in hous training once every other week and our teacher often points out that we sound naive when we pronounce "j" and that it can hurt our credibility. So try to sound naive when you pronounce Jesper and you will come close.

At the same time, a surname is a surname, but when you have a common first name like Andreas or Jesper or Johan or something like that -- I just think its too much bother for anyone to try to get people to pronounce it like its in Swedish. It's so close anyway.


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Again on LA.
maybe Fraser and Penner.. or it could be out of the blue type player Kyle Clifford or someone like Rob Scuderi who is from NY and is a solid player...

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Scuderi playing on the PK, made a nice play on a clear.

Richards makes a fantastic pass to Lewis, Schneider absolutely robs him.

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