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03-23-2013, 11:44 AM
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I like the way he plays and thinks the game.

Any penalties he takes when he gets riled up may be beyond his control. With the amount of hits to the head he takes, anger management would be an issue with anyone. Unfortunately he has a rep and that is hard to change. So that is a bit of a down side to consider.

My feeling is that the length of term is more important than the $'s. Kids are 7,8, 12 and I believe he's mentioned wanting them to stay in the same school. Whoever can give him that security of place will have some flexibility of price. Plus he gets his favourite # 9 here.


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03-23-2013, 12:05 PM
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To be fair, his pp production is astronomical... on pace for 40 some points.

But I agree. For the money and what you get, I'm far more inclined to trade him for a package and send that package right back out for Briere or Thornton or someone similar.
a package of futures?

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03-23-2013, 12:07 PM
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I just fear that it's the system, not the player, that's driving that..
backstrom?

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03-23-2013, 12:11 PM
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It won't even be a debate anymore.
i think the semin debate never ended. i doubt those opposed to not trading ribeiro will quit no matter how well the caps do from here out.

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03-23-2013, 12:14 PM
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2 games does not make a season. Half a season of sucking does.

Trade him

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03-23-2013, 12:14 PM
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backstrom?
Depending on how Backstrom produces in Ribeiro's usual spot, that would be the answer. The way it had been, Ribeiro was the only guy in position to make the primary setup plays, at least unless/until the point shot became a legitimate scoring threat. Though they seem to have been swapped recently.

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03-23-2013, 01:15 PM
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Because you don't want a 38 year old Mike Ribeiro costing $7M against your cap, and you don't want to spend premium dollars for someone that doesn't provide premium ES play. If this was a guy that was 27 or 28, I could see it, but still not for $7M. I wouldn't give anybody more than Backstrom.

I'd might do a short-term deal at the $7M, but for no more than two years. And I might do the 5 year deal at under $6M. But I think a 5/$35M deal is just asking to be a cap killer.
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Depending on how Backstrom produces in Ribeiro's usual spot, that would be the answer. The way it had been, Ribeiro was the only guy in position to make the primary setup plays, at least unless/until the point shot became a legitimate scoring threat. Though they seem to have been swapped recently.
Can't discount the fact that Backstrom allows Ribeiro to be that much more creative....stick someone who doesn't have the stick handling and smarts of Backstrom and the PP isn't as effective as its been.

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03-23-2013, 01:23 PM
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Yea because the Caps haven't tried that before. Worked real well. The whole reason we got Ribiero. But let's go back to that.
Caps haven't tried Perreault on 2c.

He is so underrated it's insane.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...34+45+46+63+67

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03-23-2013, 01:26 PM
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Caps haven't tried Perreault on 2c.

He is so underrated it's insane.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...34+45+46+63+67
And that link illustrates quite profoundly why I am a huge non-believer in Corsi. Wolski was one of the two worst forwards to get significant time with the Caps this year, and he's second on the team in Corsi.

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03-23-2013, 01:26 PM
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Caps haven't tried Perreault on 2c.

He is so underrated it's insane.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...34+45+46+63+67
To be fair, he's facing softer competition (granted, Ribeiro is well protected himself) and he seems to have a history of getting burnt out with too large a role. But he's certainly shown enough to be an intriguing option.

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03-23-2013, 01:32 PM
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And that link illustrates quite profoundly why I am a huge non-believer in Corsi. Wolski was one of the two worst forwards to get significant time with the Caps this year, and he's second on the team in Corsi.
Yeah IMO advanced statistics in hockey are more or less garbage. There are just waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy too many variables that are not accounted for.

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03-23-2013, 01:32 PM
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And that link illustrates quite profoundly why I am a huge non-believer in Corsi. Wolski was one of the two worst forwards to get significant time with the Caps this year, and he's second on the team in Corsi.
For all his failings, he spends way more time in the O-zone than the D-zone. The stats are much less suspect than the perception with Wolski.

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03-23-2013, 01:35 PM
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And that link illustrates quite profoundly why I am a huge non-believer in Corsi. Wolski was one of the two worst forwards to get significant time with the Caps this year, and he's second on the team in Corsi.
Wolski had amazingly bad luck this year. The quality shots were there.

http://www.japersrink.com/2013/3/12/...hought-process

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03-23-2013, 01:37 PM
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Depending on how Backstrom produces in Ribeiro's usual spot, that would be the answer. The way it had been, Ribeiro was the only guy in position to make the primary setup plays, at least unless/until the point shot became a legitimate scoring threat. Though they seem to have been swapped recently.
what swapping are you talking about specifically? backstrom plays the half boards on the power play and still is.

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03-23-2013, 01:41 PM
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what swapping are you talking about specifically? backstrom plays the half boards on the power play and still is.
Past few times it seems like Backstrom has been the guy on the goal-line, Ribeiro on the half boards. Ovi's second PP goal seemed to be scored that way.

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03-23-2013, 01:42 PM
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Because you don't want a 38 year old Mike Ribeiro costing $7M against your cap, and you don't want to spend premium dollars for someone that doesn't provide premium ES play. If this was a guy that was 27 or 28, I could see it, but still not for $7M. I wouldn't give anybody more than Backstrom.

I'd might do a short-term deal at the $7M, but for no more than two years. And I might do the 5 year deal at under $6M. But I think a 5/$35M deal is just asking to be a cap killer.
His age is not a secret so I doubt many teams are going to offer him extremely long-term contract. And I don't think anyone's advocating giving him a second Ovechkin contract, either.

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03-23-2013, 01:43 PM
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If he won't sign before the deadline, you have to move him. Bottom line.

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03-23-2013, 01:52 PM
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Ribeiro is only -2 and his PP/ES points are about half and half. This is pretty typical for this squad, and not the worst on the team. So where is this "he sucks ES" notion coming from?

Pick your favorite player on the team and just watch him objectively for an entire game or two. Or, better yet, pretend you're watching a guy you think stinks. Tell me you don't see quite a few mistakes that, if you're looking for them, will make you say "that guy sucks".

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03-23-2013, 01:54 PM
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If he won't sign before the deadline, you have to move him. Bottom line.
It's not his nature to move a top asset when competing. Most GM's do not of course. In the SL division, all compete.

GM would rather deal with the fallout in the summer, then during the season, of losing Ribs.

I wonder if Ribs kids liking the area help George get him to ink a discounted contract. My gut is now saying a discount will be there. 4x5NTC perhaps.

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03-23-2013, 02:00 PM
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This team really sucks without Ribeiro.

They finally have a second center. Pay him and move some other **** out.

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03-23-2013, 02:23 PM
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a package of futures?
Yup. If those two are available I would guess it would cost a first, a prospect or two and maybe a lesser roster player.

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Yup. If those two are available I would guess it would cost a first, a prospect or two and maybe a lesser roster player.
so, if the caps hit their stride and are playoff bound you would send off the team's leading scorer for futures?

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If he won't sign before the deadline, you have to move him. Bottom line.
as a playoff team that makes no sense. as a playoff team on a stretch run roll, it really makes no sense.

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The point of having cap space, picks and prospects is to build a team to win a Cup. Why on Earth would anyone trade their top scorer (who occupies a position of need that's existed for years) during a run to the playoffs for that Cup, just because he MIGHT not sign a contract after the year is over, and without even knowing how the year will end???

When are we going to have a "Win the Cup Now" mentality instead of Ted's tickets/cap-management/maybe-next-year mentality?

I'm a fan of the team, not an employee of the organization. I'm not signing any checks, and I don't care if the team misses out on a pick or a prospect if it means taking a serious shot at the Cup.

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We've had a Win Cup Now mentality for years when we aren't good enough...

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