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03-22-2013, 11:23 PM
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Parashin and Holos don't go against our 50 contracts because we only hold their rights and we don't have them signed to a contract.

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03-23-2013, 03:19 AM
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I remember the good ole' days when coaches used to GM and make trades and then would end up getting traded for 1st round picks.

I've scanned this a while back and wanted to post it for you guys as it gives some good insight into this franchises' past. I wanted to put it in it's own thread but Freudian set me up nicely there. hehe
Nice read. It was a very different league back then. More charming but with more potential for something going wrong.

Hell, it almost seems like the Roy trade couldn't happen today but I guess an idiot coach could still piss off a superstar to the degree he asks for a trade.

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03-23-2013, 07:50 AM
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Alright thanks. Because how I read it was, if they wanted to come back to the NHL the only team he could back to is Colorado, except if we decided relinquish their rights or trade them. Actually while writing this I realize, wouldn't they have to go through waivers first???????

I just didn't know if they count against the player limit.
They are our property until being a UFA by age. But they are not signed either, so they don't count to our contract limit.

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03-23-2013, 03:22 PM
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I believe Avs will make an offer for DeKeyser

Nice to know that we at least tried if Dater is right. Sure he will end up in Detroit though.

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03-23-2013, 03:51 PM
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I believe Avs will make an offer for DeKeyser

Nice to know that we at least tried if Dater is right. Sure he will end up in Detroit though.
I think almost every team makes offer for him.

Don't count Tampa out.

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03-23-2013, 03:55 PM
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I finally identified Sherman's strategy. He has us with one of the worst D-cores in the whole league, so he can lure in good free agent defenseman and tell them "you can step in a big minute role right away,". Am I right!?

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I believe Avs will make an offer for DeKeyser

Nice to know that we at least tried if Dater is right. Sure he will end up in Detroit though.
Really? well at least they try. But highly doubt that he signs here unless they offer him some crazy bonuses or something. Can you do that with rookies?

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03-23-2013, 04:38 PM
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Really? well at least they try. But highly doubt that he signs here unless they offer him some crazy bonuses or something. Can you do that with rookies?
He'll get the max ELC, just like Schultz did. They won't hit most of the bonuses so the salary isn't that high but the cap hit is close to $4M.

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03-23-2013, 05:18 PM
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He'll get the max ELC, just like Schultz did. They won't hit most of the bonuses so the salary isn't that high but the cap hit is close to $4M.
Yeah, 3,775 mil per.

But I think Dekeyse can only sign for 2 years as did Schultz and Sustr.

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03-23-2013, 05:57 PM
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We are at like 47 to 49 players signed with Meurs being the most recent.

Joel Chouinard: Gone
Mike Connolly: Re-signed
Dillon Donnelly: Not offered
Cameron Gaunce: Re-signed, will be his last chance
Milan Hejduk: Retired
Chuck Kobasew: traded
Brad Malone: Re-signed
Joachim Nermark: given a ELC
Ryan O'Byrne: traded
Thomas Pock: Gone
Sean Sullivan: Gone
Bill Thomas: Re-signed
David Van der Gulik: Re-signed
Geoff Walker: Gone
Luke Walker: Re-signed

Wildcard: Condon Will be signed if he wants to turn pro

The real question is, does Parshin & Holos count against the 50 player limit?
The changes I see in bold

That gives the Avs about ~41 contracts for next year. Add Connolly, Condon, 1st round pick, few free agents... we will see the Avs sitting at about 46-47 again next year. I think the Avs will trade away one of the goalie prospects as a throw in for some deal before the trade deadline.

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I'm not sure they'll give Nermark an ELC. Seems like a low end SEL player to me.

As for DeKeyser. Pretty much the only advantage Avs would have over some other organizations is if we would guarantee enough NHL games to burn a year off his ELC this season.

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I'm not sure they'll give Nermark an ELC. Seems like a low end SEL player to me.

As for DeKeyser. Pretty much the only advantage Avs would have over some other organizations is if we would guarantee enough NHL games to burn a year off his ELC this season.
Nermark hasn't really been put in a position to succeed. Played 4th line minutes for 2-3 years and bounced around the junior club. He is way too good for the under 20 team, but not trusted enough to get good minutes in the SEL. If he can play in Lake Erie next year, he will break out. He will never be a real strong scorer, but his defense will be excellent and a great PKer.

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03-23-2013, 06:24 PM
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Nermark hasn't really been put in a position to succeed. Played 4th line minutes for 2-3 years and bounced around the junior club. He is way too good for the under 20 team, but not trusted enough to get good minutes in the SEL. If he can play in Lake Erie next year, he will break out. He will never be a real strong scorer, but his defense will be excellent and a great PKer.
It's very unusual for NHL teams to bring over Europeans to be marginal fourth liners and Nermark never have produced offense to suggest he could be more than that. There are plenty of North Americans that can do that who have been schooled in playing on small ice.

Nermark seems like a lower end life time SEL player to me.

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It's very unusual for NHL teams to bring over Europeans to be marginal fourth liners and Nermark never have produced offense to suggest he could be more than that. There are plenty of North Americans that can do that who have been schooled in playing on small ice.

Nermark seems like a lower end life time SEL player to me.
Well, if he ends up being a Sammy Pahlsson-type player, he'd be great as a 3rd/4th line guy. Then again, he could be another Riku Hahl. We'll see if the Avs sign him. Given the fact they've been in such a hurry to sign guys and still haven't tendered him makes me think they won't.

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03-23-2013, 11:25 PM
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Well, if he ends up being a Sammy Pahlsson-type player, he'd be great as a 3rd/4th line guy. Then again, he could be another Riku Hahl. We'll see if the Avs sign him. Given the fact they've been in such a hurry to sign guys and still haven't tendered him makes me think they won't.
I would be very suprised if Nermark reached Riku Hahls level. Hahl managed to be one of the topcenters in the SEL for a couple of season. Highly doubt Nermark will reach that level. He is just average or below average at everything and there is no potential there.

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03-24-2013, 05:28 AM
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I would be very suprised if Nermark reached Riku Hahls level. Hahl managed to be one of the topcenters in the SEL for a couple of season. Highly doubt Nermark will reach that level. He is just average or below average at everything and there is no potential there.
Still is one of the best defensive centers in FEL. His offense has dropped though.

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03-24-2013, 08:34 AM
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Nermark hasn't really been put in a position to succeed. Played 4th line minutes for 2-3 years and bounced around the junior club. He is way too good for the under 20 team, but not trusted enough to get good minutes in the SEL. If he can play in Lake Erie next year, he will break out. He will never be a real strong scorer, but his defense will be excellent and a great PKer.
Sign him to a minor league contract and start him with the Cutthroats. We just had Beaupre and Lauridsen work their way into real contracts going that route, and if we sign Nermark to a minor league deal we aren't burning one of our 50 contracts. At least get him to NA and see what he's got.

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Nermark made a big mistake by staying in Sweden, he should've went through the CHL route.

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Is there a way of finding out where are scouts are currently scouting?

There are often reports of other teams having their scouts at particular games, but the Avs are very rarely mentioned.

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Is there a way of finding out where are scouts are currently scouting?

There are often reports of other teams having their scouts at particular games, but the Avs are very rarely mentioned.
Not really. When it's mentioned it's when journalists reports which scouts have gotten accreditations for a game.

I never pay much attention to it. Pro scouts scout games. That's their job. They probably keep up to date with all teams during a season and doesn't only scout players they are interested in. Besides, with every team having every game on video they probably use video to scout potential trade targets as much as seeing them live.

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Sign him to a minor league contract and start him with the Cutthroats. We just had Beaupre and Lauridsen work their way into real contracts going that route, and if we sign Nermark to a minor league deal we aren't burning one of our 50 contracts. At least get him to NA and see what he's got.
We had almost zero risk doing that during the lockout. I'm positive that without the lockout they'd have received ELC's. One team offers him an ELC for good play and he could leave us without even telling the Avs.

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We had almost zero risk doing that during the lockout. I'm positive that without the lockout they'd have received ELC's. One team offers him an ELC for good play and he could leave us without even telling the Avs.
I'm not sure how this all works in relation to our rights to a player we have drafted who is on a minor league contract. Beaupre was an Avs draftee, Lauridsen was a free agent when they signed minor league contracts. There may be a provision about the Avs having first dibs for an ELC. Does anyone have more info?

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I'm not sure how this all works in relation to our rights to a player we have drafted who is on a minor league contract. Beaupre was an Avs draftee, Lauridsen was a free agent when they signed minor league contracts. There may be a provision about the Avs having first dibs for an ELC. Does anyone have more info?
Here's the way I understand it. We have their rights up until the NHL's cutoff dates for whatever league we drafted them out of. Nermark needs a contract this season, so if we don't extend one to him and we give him a CHL/AHL minor league contract, he's not our property.

So if he lights up the AHL we have to offer him a contract quickly or hope he is willing to tell us about an offer first before he signs. Otherwise someone else can sign him.

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Not really. When it's mentioned it's when journalists reports which scouts have gotten accreditations for a game.

I never pay much attention to it. Pro scouts scout games. That's their job. They probably keep up to date with all teams during a season and doesn't only scout players they are interested in. Besides, with every team having every game on video they probably use video to scout potential trade targets as much as seeing them live.
Yeah, how often have scouts been an indicator of a pending trade? Almost never.

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Here's the way I understand it. We have their rights up until the NHL's cutoff dates for whatever league we drafted them out of. Nermark needs a contract this season, so if we don't extend one to him and we give him a CHL/AHL minor league contract, he's not our property.

So if he lights up the AHL we have to offer him a contract quickly or hope he is willing to tell us about an offer first before he signs. Otherwise someone else can sign him.
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