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03-23-2013, 07:50 PM
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You're taking my post as if I'm saying Clifford > Gaborik, when what I'm trying to say is that there's no deal for Gaborik that makes sense for LA.

But no matter what I say you'll just continue with the sarcastic trade proposals as if I'm saying Gaborik is garbage instead of saying there's no deal that makes any sense for LA to make, none.
What is the obsession with Kyle Clifford? Because I sure would hope that Sather could get a guy better than a 3rd liner for Gaborik. I agree that you guys wouldn't want to trade defense, your captain, or leading point getter, but all you've been doing is belittling posts that mention any Kings players besides your 4th liners and 3rd pairing defensemen.

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Seriously guys, LA has no interest in Gaborik at the prices some of you are throwing around. Plus his game just isn't made for the Kings ground attack offense. LA just gets in on the puck and pound the crap out of other teams, creates turnover and scores. Every player does this.
i think gabby's style is exactly what the kings need right now. some of the prices are insane, but gabby certainly has value.

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Look at it from a King's point of view.

Carter and Richards are locked up until after 2020, Gaborik has 1 year left after this season and is 31, Carter and Richards are 28.

Kings defense right now is, Doughty, Voynov, Muzzin, Scuderi, Martinez, Ellerby, makes no sense to move Scuderi.

Williams is the glue that holds the top line together and has chemistry with Kopitar since being in LA.

Brown is obviously a no.

I'm not saying Gaborik is a terrible player, but there i no deal I see that makes sense for LA what so ever.

Lombardi wouldn't trade Clifford or Toffoli for a Gaborik, he only moved Schenn and Simmonds because he got back a Mike Richards locked up for long term and in his prime, Gaborik is 31 years old and a UFA after next season. That's what I'm getting at, no proposals I've seen make any sense for the Kings, they're 8th in the NHL in Goals for despite being shutout last 2 games, it's been a lot of bad puck luck.

That's what I'm trying to get at is that none of these deals make sense for LA to do at all.
You make 100% sense...most of the people on the Rangers board don't...

Lombardi is not fool...Sather is.

We will get Boyle from San Jose...he will come here and 90% of this board will think it is a great move and he will suck...it is the same thing every year.

Guys clamouring for Brad Richards for 3 years...we get him, sign him to a retard deal, every Ranger fans wants to blow him for taking a "cap friendly" deal...has a decent
1st year, now sucks and we have him just another 7 years.

Until the Rangers get rid of Sather....we will be the same half ass run organization.

We had a good thing going but Sather and Torts totally under estimated the importance of the bottom six guys we had last year and brought in a new crop and they have all sucked...we went for a rugged group to the biggest bunch of ******* in the league and 90% of this board will say that being rugged is overrated.

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What is the obsession with Kyle Clifford? Because I sure would hope that Sather could get a guy better than a 3rd liner for Gaborik. I agree that you guys wouldn't want to trade defense, your captain, or leading point getter, but all you've been doing is belittling posts that mention any Kings players besides your 4th liners and 3rd pairing defensemen.
Clifford holds high value to the Kings. His a character guy who fights to stand up for teammates, hits, has good skill and developing into a great player, those are the players Lombardi values highly and Sutter loves Clifford. He works perfectly with LA's system, where Gaborik more than likely wouldn't.

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Not trying to sound harsh or a dick, but have any of you Ranger fans even thought about what any of your Gaborik offers do for LA?

Mike Richards, Jeff Carter? Are you serious?

None of your offers make any sense for LA what so ever. Justin Williams is the glue that holds the top line together, LA I believe has the youngest Defense right now so they'll trade Scuderi??

I'm sorry but some of these proposals are absolutely horrendous.

Rangers aren't getting Richards, Carter, Williams, Voynov, Scuderi for Gaborik, plain and simple. If any of those names do move for Gaborik, Lombardi deserves to be fired and I'll admit I was wrong.
obv we know its a pipe line dream, and the + would have to be huge.. but Scuderi is a UFA, gabs is signed another year and could help them with goal scoring so how is that Hard to fathom?

they also have depth and for salary reasons and since they have depth they would have to trade someone with salary the otherway.. ummm.. Carter? NO, Richards? No, Kopitar, Hell NO, Brown? absolutely not, DOughty i dont think so? so the only other person since they have young players that are playing well for them is Justin williams.. its all speculations.. but if we're trading gabs we have to be getting something back.. if guastad is worth a 1st.. and if Iginla whos 35 is worth all these young players, picks and prospects.. wtf is gabs worth.. a skate lace and free skate sharpening for a year?

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Clifford holds high value to the Kings. His a character guy who fights to stand up for teammates, hits, has good skill and developing into a great player, those are the players Lombardi values highly and Sutter loves Clifford. He works perfectly with LA's system, where Gaborik more than likely wouldn't.
So every forward has to be the exact same player? Maybe it's because we're Rangers fans, and we all hate how Torts is forcing everyone to play the same style, so that's why most won't agree with you.

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You make 100% sense...most of the people on the Rangers board don't...

Lombardi is not fool...Sather is.

We will get Boyle from San Jose...he will come here and 90% of this board will think it is a great move and he will suck...it is the same thing every year.

Guys clamouring for Brad Richards for 3 years...we get him, sign him to a retard deal, every Ranger fans wants to blow him for taking a "cap friendly" deal...has a decent
1st year, now sucks and we have him just another 7 years.

Until the Rangers get rid of Sather....we will be the same half ass run organization.

We had a good thing going but Sather and Torts totally under estimated the importance of the bottom six guys we had last year and brought in a new crop and they have all sucked...we went for a rugged group to the biggest bunch of ******* in the league and 90% of this board will say that being rugged is overrated.
On one hand Boyle has two things this team severely lacks. A rugged dman with skill and a power shot. I'm still not wanting him just sayin..

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Apparently Calgary is going to make some big changes at the deadline.

Forget Iginla - I'd go after Tanguay. Playmaking LW, 19 points in 24 games this season, and a $3.5M cap hit for the next 3 years. Only downside is he's 33, but his contract is fairly cheap for what he provides.
Yeah I'm seeing more and more that they might just blow everything up. Then again, they've said that before and the more you try to look for pieces they might have available the more you realize there just really isn't anything useful there. (Or at least more useful than someone else from another team who might be available to us at the same price)

But yeah do not want Iginla at all and not just because of the asking price, and I agree, Tanguay would make a lot more sense for us if we are interested in any of their players at all.

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Glencross or tanguay only thing that interests me on cgy

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On one hand Boyle has two things this team severely lacks. A rugged dman with skill and a power shot. I'm still not wanting him just sayin..
Are you saying Dan Boyle is rugged?

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obv we know its a pipe line dream, and the + would have to be huge.. but Scuderi is a UFA, gabs is signed another year and could help them with goal scoring so how is that Hard to fathom?

they also have depth and for salary reasons and since they have depth they would have to trade someone with salary the otherway.. ummm.. Carter? NO, Richards? No, Kopitar, Hell NO, Brown? absolutely not, DOughty i dont think so? so the only other person since they have young players that are playing well for them is Justin williams.. its all speculations.. but if we're trading gabs we have to be getting something back.. if guastad is worth a 1st.. and if Iginla whos 35 is worth all these young players, picks and prospects.. wtf is gabs worth.. a skate lace and free skate sharpening for a year?
Yes Scuderi is a UFA but they're in contract talks and LA is a cup contender, those teams don't move players just because they're UFA and as stated LA's blue line is REALLY young, Willie Mitchell and Matt Greene are still out, if they were back then perhaps but they're not so it doesn't make sense to move him.

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I didn't realize David "the Junkman" Jones was struggling so much this year in Colorado.

Would they be willing to move him especially after giving him a much larger (too large contract)?

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You make 100% sense...most of the people on the Rangers board don't...

Lombardi is not fool...Sather is.

We will get Boyle from San Jose...he will come here and 90% of this board will think it is a great move and he will suck...it is the same thing every year.

Guys clamouring for Brad Richards for 3 years...we get him, sign him to a retard deal, every Ranger fans wants to blow him for taking a "cap friendly" deal...has a decent
1st year, now sucks and we have him just another 7 years.

Until the Rangers get rid of Sather....we will be the same half ass run organization.

We had a good thing going but Sather and Torts totally under estimated the importance of the bottom six guys we had last year and brought in a new crop and they have all sucked...we went for a rugged group to the biggest bunch of ******* in the league and 90% of this board will say that being rugged is overrated.
its not torts.. Torts coaches the team, provides some imput of how he likes his players and its glens job to build a team around how the coach coaches..the issue is glen playing hard ball with our UFAs/RFAs..

I am surprised our RFA's off ELC havent held out.. especially when our players.. MDZ, Callahan, Girardi, Dubi etc.. dont ask for more $$$. when around the league you have doughty making 7m, Meyers making 12m salary this year (5m cap) etc..

But most other teams would give raises but slats goes in the opposite directions gives players salarys lower then what they should be making based off performances.. did that with feds, mitchell, and i think most teams wouldve given prust the salary he commanded.. bc its not just stats, which rangers fans cant understand but their attitude and what they bring to the team.. intangibles are huge and mean a lot as well as points.. he completely abolished the bottom 6, but the real issue is the players we got havent stepped up and bought into torts.. this goes to show you the top 6 is just as important as the bottom 6.. we need to retool and build a team not sign every UFA available (Big names).. i wish we did the nash trade but didnt trade Dubi and signed prust, bc both those players wouldve been our "Glue" to hold that bottom 6 in check..

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its not torts.. Torts coaches the team, provides some imput of how he likes his players and its glens job to build a team around how the coach coaches..the issue is glen playing hard ball with our UFAs/RFAs..

I am surprised our RFA's off ELC havent held out.. especially when our players.. MDZ, Callahan, Girardi, Dubi etc.. dont ask for more $$$. when around the league you have doughty making 7m, Meyers making 12m salary this year (5m cap) etc..

But most other teams would give raises but slats goes in the opposite directions gives players salarys lower then what they should be making based off performances.. did that with feds, mitchell, and i think most teams wouldve given prust the salary he commanded.. bc its not just stats, which rangers fans cant understand but their attitude and what they bring to the team.. intangibles are huge and mean a lot as well as points.. he completely abolished the bottom 6, but the real issue is the players we got havent stepped up and bought into torts.. this goes to show you the top 6 is just as important as the bottom 6.. we need to retool and build a team not sign every UFA available (Big names).. i wish we did the nash trade but didnt trade Dubi and signed prust, bc both those players wouldve been our "Glue" to hold that bottom 6 in check..
It's always the character guys aka the glue guys who help to win a Cup. Byfuglien with Chicago, Marchand before he was a top 6 player with Boston, Talbot with Pittsburgh...some guy named Mattaeu who scored a few OT goals vs. the Devils.

Bottom 6 guys on Cup Winning teams are usually younger players on ELCs, or veteran rentals.

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I really love reading the comments of trading Gaborik for grit.

When he's traded for grit, snarl, piss and vinegar, intangibles, etc, people will complain that there isn't enough skill/scorers on the team. Like clockwork.
I can see that now! For that, you'd be giving him away. I'd like to get a 1st, and 1 offensive skill prospect in a package for Gaborik (other pieces could be added, if it's 3rd/4th line players, so be it). Not trading him solely for checkers/grinders, etc. They have other assets for that.


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Here's a proposal.. miller + pick for Boyle. Then trade Mdz for young forward? Not sure who we couls get. Defense becomes better and tougher. Pp might become better and I'm sure we could get nice return for mdz. Too much turnaround?

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Here's a proposal.. miller + pick for Boyle. Then trade Mdz for young forward? Not sure who we couls get. Defense becomes better and tougher. Pp might become better and I'm sure we could get nice return for mdz. Too much turnaround?
glad your not the GM.. lets trade Kreider for Stoll while were at it..

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glad your not the GM.. lets trade Kreider for Stoll while were at it..
What we lost in miller would be recouped in the dz trade. I forgot staal still out though so can't move Dz

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Yes Scuderi is a UFA but they're in contract talks and LA is a cup contender, those teams don't move players just because they're UFA and as stated LA's blue line is REALLY young, Willie Mitchell and Matt Greene are still out, if they were back then perhaps but they're not so it doesn't make sense to move him.
yeah but its bc theyre young guys on d are stepping up and playing.. LA has always loved Gabs, and with this whole sutter/iginla love, if that falls through and theyre making a play for gabs, we need capable players in return still to substitute him..

if theyre interested what would we get for gabs, just a first or something like that?

I saw LA is interested in Stafford too.. and Toffoli was what would be going back.. so everything is just rumors and speculations.. everything is muck and ********..

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Here's a proposal.. miller + pick for Boyle. Then trade Mdz for young forward? Not sure who we couls get. Defense becomes better and tougher. Pp might become better and I'm sure we could get nice return for mdz. Too much turnaround?
No to Miller, trade prospects that hasn't made the team yet. Miller will be too good of a fit on this team to be traded away. Has more value right now than Kreider imo.

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Here's a proposal.. miller + pick for Boyle. Then trade Mdz for young forward? Not sure who we couls get. Defense becomes better and tougher. Pp might become better and I'm sure we could get nice return for mdz. Too much turnaround?
Miller + pick for Boyle would be a first round pick, a player who's 19 and already playing NHL level hockey + another pick for a 36 year old, 6.6 million dollar defenseman who is a UFA at the end of next year.

No thank you. Especially not if MDZ goes after that - two years down the road NYR won't have Miller, the pick, Boyle or MDZ.

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Miller + pick for Boyle would be a first round pick, a player who's 19 and already playing NHL level hockey + another pick for a 36 year old, 6.6 million dollar defenseman who is a UFA at the end of next year.

No thank you. Especially not if MDZ goes after that - two years down the road NYR won't have Miller, the pick, Boyle or MDZ.
Forgot how old Boyle was nevermind

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Forgot how old Boyle was nevermind
Yeah, that's the main hangup on him for me. He'd probably help out here but he's too old to trade young players for unless the team is right on the cusp, and as we all know, they're not.

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Just make some minor moves to fix the bottom 6 and see what happens. We all know we are just simply underperming.

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its not torts.. Torts coaches the team, provides some imput of how he likes his players and its glens job to build a team around how the coach coaches..the issue is glen playing hard ball with our UFAs/RFAs..

I am surprised our RFA's off ELC havent held out.. especially when our players.. MDZ, Callahan, Girardi, Dubi etc.. dont ask for more $$$. when around the league you have doughty making 7m, Meyers making 12m salary this year (5m cap) etc..

But most other teams would give raises but slats goes in the opposite directions gives players salarys lower then what they should be making based off performances.. did that with feds, mitchell, and i think most teams wouldve given prust the salary he commanded.. bc its not just stats, which rangers fans cant understand but their attitude and what they bring to the team.. intangibles are huge and mean a lot as well as points.. he completely abolished the bottom 6, but the real issue is the players we got havent stepped up and bought into torts.. this goes to show you the top 6 is just as important as the bottom 6.. we need to retool and build a team not sign every UFA available (Big names).. i wish we did the nash trade but didnt trade Dubi and signed prust, bc both those players wouldve been our "Glue" to hold that bottom 6 in check..
Bingo.

Last year the team was a family. Sather went hardball with Prust and he bolted. I'd be willing to bet if Sather was a little softer with his negotiating techniques and actually treated his players like he cared, Prust would still be here...and for less than the $2.5 mil he's currently getting in Montreal. Prust left because Montreal told him he'd be a big part of the team and made him feel wanted. People underestimate just how much that means to players - especially 3rd and 4th line guys.

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