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03-24-2013, 12:33 AM
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Meh, we might have won with an elite goalie. They might have been able to match the shutout and get to a shootout or keep it a 1 goal game and maybe Edmonton scores a late one to tie it up.
Maybe, maybe, if, but. You get the idea.

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03-24-2013, 12:34 AM
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Great so we can lose 7-0 instead of 3-0. Monster improvement.
It's pretty pathetic having a GM that doesn't seem to be worried about being the worst team in the league over his tenure. Rebuild or not. I will take the GM that is desperate to win (and has won) over the GM that has done absolutely nothing productive over half a decade and his entire life for that matter.

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03-24-2013, 12:34 AM
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Although I refuse to give up on my Oilers (keeping in mind that this season I only expected them to be on the cusp of making it into the playoffs), I have now officially joined the #FreeYakupov movement.

Or at least the #FreeYakupovFromBlackHoleBelanger movement

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03-24-2013, 12:35 AM
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Of course you're not going to win if you don't score. This team isn't built for Western Conference hockey unfortunately.

But if it was Bernier in net and not Quick, do the Kings win the Cup? Or Rask instead of Thomas?

Patrick Roy won 4 times, I heard he's pretty good...
And Osgood was horrible and won it many times, too. There you go; proof you don't NEED an elite goalie to win.

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It's pretty pathetic having a GM that doesn't seem to be worried about being the worst team in the league over his tenure. Rebuild or not. I will take the GM that is desperate to win (and has won) over the GM that has done absolutely nothing productive over half a decade and his entire life for that matter.
Desperation to win = Dumb trades.

See Kunitz for Whitney.

Or the Erik Johnson trade.

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03-24-2013, 12:35 AM
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I'm fine with that philosophy, but its fair for the fans to expect some entertainment value for their dollar, especially when you have this level of skill in the line up.

Wreck It Ralph needs to be read the riot act by the front office. I don't care if they lose every single game the rest of the way. Score some bloody goals.

That's what those people in those seats paying higher than "the NBA champion Miami Heat" ticket prices want. Thats it.
Theres no level of skill that creates wins without adherence to system in the NHL. Sorry. You won't find me one SC champion in modern era that couldn't play both ends of the rink quite well.

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And Osgood was horrible and won it many times, too. There you go; proof you don't NEED an elite goalie to win.
But do you think you win more often with Roy and Brodeur or with Niemi and the like?

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03-24-2013, 12:37 AM
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Theres no level of skill that creates wins without adherence to system in the NHL. Sorry. You won't find me one SC champion in modern era that couldn't play both ends of the rink quite well.
I don't care about wins at this stage. I never expected playoffs and I'm pretty darn sure 70% of the folks in that crowd didn't either.

That's not why they're booing.

They're booing because they were promised entertainment value and by all rights, this team should be able to provide some with the talent they've been gifted.

THAT is what's unacceptable at this stage.

Only this team could add Yakupov and Schultz to the lineup and somehow become even more boring to watch.

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Like I stated in the gdt , coaching is a problem . When we have had 2 goal leads Krueger the genuis thinks its a great idea to change up the lines trying to protect a lead it has failed every time, but his stubborness keeps prevailing . Tonight absoulutey nothing happening on offense and Krueger keeps lines the same all game. Stubborn again Yak Gagner Prv line was working he switched it up before game did not work keeps with it , he onnly tinkers with what works pathetic.

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I don't care about wins at this stage. I never expected playoffs and I'm pretty darn sure 70% of the folks in that crowd didn't either.

That's not why they're booing.

They're booing because they were promised entertainment value and by all rights, this team should be able to provide some with the talent they've been gifted.

THAT is what's unacceptable at this stage.
So its better to open it up in this game and lose 6-1. Because its what would have likely happened.

Soon as we did open it up STL was burning us alive and Khabi was getting shellshocked.

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And Osgood was horrible and won it many times, too. There you go; proof you don't NEED an elite goalie to win.


Kinda need this guy to pull that kind of miracle.

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But do you think you win more often with Roy and Brodeur or with Niemi and the like?
Maybe. Maybe not. The only point I'm trying to make (and have made) is that elite goal tending is not ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to win a SC. It's been done many times before. It helps your chances, yes, but it can be overcome with good enough defensemen and systems in place (see: Osgood again, for the 4th time).

If you can't see this obvious point, then this is a waste of time.

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I don't care about wins at this stage. I never expected playoffs and I'm pretty darn sure 70% of the folks in that crowd didn't either.

That's not why they're booing.

They're booing because they were promised entertainment value and by all rights, this team should be able to provide some with the talent they've been gifted.

THAT is what's unacceptable at this stage.
As upset as I am about the loss, should we really be surprised about it? This is as defensive a team as there is the West and everyone knows that the Blues capitalize on mistakes. Even Kelly Hrudey knows that. And that's exactly what happened. Three seperate turnovers that ended up in the back of our net. When the first goal went in the Blues went into complete shut down mode.

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meh, like I said in the pre-game...they lost their chance last game to reach the playoffs

the rest of the year is about pride...and they didn't have any tonight

St.Louis played a great road game...Oilers crapped the bed

I love how fans aren't allowed to boo though...people have been paying thousands and thousands of dollars every year for the last several years to watch a sub-par product from the Oilers

what a slap in the face to the patient passionate fanbase

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03-24-2013, 12:40 AM
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So its better to open it up in this game and lose 6-1. Because its what would have likely happened.

Soon as we did open it up STL was burning us alive and Khabi was getting shellshocked.
Or 6-2 or 6-3 sure. I'd take that instead of what we get spoon fed on a nightly basis this season, which is quite frankly one of the most boring teams in all of pro sports.

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Kinda need this guy to pull that kind of miracle.
And I just alluded to that in my last post. Was going to mention him by name, but it really isn't necessary, I don't think.

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That being said, Osgood had a 0.930 playoff save percentage the year the Wings won the cup in 2008.

Ward - 0.920 (Roloson 0.927, Markkanen 0.905 - literally why we lost the SCF)
Giguere - 0.922
Osgood - 0.930
MAF - 0.908 (part of the reason why I think he's one of the most overrated goalies in the NHL)
Niemi - 0.910
Thomas - 0.940
Quick - 0.946

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God I hate listening to Tencer. I listen to the show for comments from the fans but Tencer is just a ****** bag. When someone tells it like it is he just shuts them down or makes some sort of sarcastic remark.

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That being said, Osgood had a 0.930 playoff save percentage the year the Wings won the cup in 2008.
And do you think he's that good of a goalie or more of a product of his defensemen and the team's systems?

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And Osgood was horrible and won it many times, too. There you go; proof you don't NEED an elite goalie to win.
Having the best defenseman of our generation play on his team didn't help him at all. Think about how many cups the Red Wings would have won if they had traded for Roy instead of the Avalanche. Also do you think the Avalanche win both their Stanley Cups with Thibault instead of Roy?

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Maybe. Maybe not. The only point I'm trying to make (and have made) is that elite goal tending is not ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to win a SC. It's been done many times before. It helps your chances, yes, but it can be overcome with good enough defensemen and systems in place (see: Osgood again, for the 4th time).

If you can't see this obvious point, then this is a waste of time.
Detroit also has elite players at all positions and during the pre-cap era they basically bought Cups. Look at that 2002 roster. Completely stacked.

They also haven't won since Osgood retired. In fact they haven't even been close. Detroit is almost always the exception to most rules in hockey.

The Blackhawks probably get past Phoenix last year with even average goaltending. If they had an elite goalie they win the Cup easily.

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As upset as I am about the loss, should we really be surprised about it? This is as defensive a team as there is the West and everyone knows that the Blues capitalize on mistakes. Even Kelly Hrudey knows that. And that's exactly what happened. Three seperate turnovers that ended up in the back of our net. When the first goal went in the Blues went into complete shut down mode.
This isn't really a one night deal though. This team has consistently been as exciting as watching paint dry outside of a very small handful of games all year long.

I think that's why there's booing from the fans tonight. People are fed up with paying huge dollars for tickets and being put to sleep for most of the game.

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This isn't really a one night deal though. This team has consistently been as exciting as watching paint dry outside of a very small handful of games all year long.

I think that's why there's booing from the fans tonight. People are fed up with paying huge dollars for tickets and being put to sleep for most of the game.
Tonight was really the only boring game of the homestand.

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Tonight was really the only boring game of the homestand.
There's been plenty of dull games. Even when they have a lead they play scared hockey as dictated by Krueger (thanks Ralph).

That whole sales pitch of the "high flying Oilers!" has been a joke. Everyone expected losses.

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Detroit also has elite players at all positions and during the pre-cap era they basically bought Cups. Look at that 2002 roster. Completely stacked.

They also haven't won since Osgood retired. In fact they haven't even been close. Detroit is almost always the exception to most rules in hockey.

The Blackhawks probably get past Phoenix last year with even average goaltending. If they had an elite goalie they win the Cup easily.
That's all conjecture; I'm not going to address it. I guess we're done. That was nice.

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