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03-24-2013, 02:09 AM
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Howson never would have had a chance to see things through. That's just how these things tend to go. It really puzzles me how so many posters in here can't see that, even though Howson has put the pieces in place for the organization, the moment they brought Davidson in was the final cog that sets them in the right direction. I think you're kidding yourself if you underestimate Davidson's influence and abilities. We just saw an example of what his capabilities are as a team President tonight against St. Louis.
Howson, year after year, trotted Mason out. Early in the thread he was referred to as "world class." He had a great rookie campaign. Howson didn't draft and develop goalies, he did nothing to fix the teams biggest weakness until this past off-season. That is an undeniable and huge mistake.


He also managed a team that was worse than the Oilers last year. After years of being in charge. He did some good things and was saddled with an obvious deficit, but ultimately he failed.

JD and Jarmo will have less of a deficit to start with because of Howson, but they will not make the big mistakes like Howson did.

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Howson, year after year, trotted Mason out. Early in the thread he was referred to as "world class." He had a great rookie campaign. Howson didn't draft and develop goalies, he did nothing to fix the teams biggest weakness until this past off-season. That is an undeniable and huge mistake.


He also managed a team that was worse than the Oilers last year. After years of being in charge. He did some good things and was saddled with an obvious deficit, but ultimately he failed.

JD and Jarmo will have less of a deficit to start with because of Howson, but they will not make the big mistakes like Howson did.
I'm not going to argue against these points. My understanding of the situation with CBJ is that part of Howson's mandate wasn't solely to improve the Jackets, but to help put in place a much improved infrastructure to support the franchise. It seems that Howson did much to achieve this, even if the mothership didn't improve a whole bunch.

It was interesting to hear JD in a recent interview where he stated that the most important move towards success for the franchise was the Nash/Dubinsky/Anisimov deal. His assertion was that, for the first time in their Blue Jackets history, they finally had the "right" kind of players with the "right" kind of work ethic and commitment to the team game. Hindsight is, of course, 20/20, but I'd bet a nickel that CBJ wouldn't be pushing for anything this year if they did not trade Nash.

By extension, I could infer that the Oilers are going to have to make such a move sooner rather than later if they're serious about becoming relevant again. However, given that we don't have forward-looking, forward-thinking leaders running the team? It unfortunately may never happen. I've been a consistent hard-ass complaining about Katz as an owner, and I really and honestly believe that he is just living out some bizarre ego-fantasy deeply rooted in the 1980's. All the acumen that helps him succeed in other aspects of his professional life gets thrown out the window. Perhaps now that the arena deal seems to be done, he will go climb a mountain somewhere and have an epiphany.

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03-24-2013, 02:51 PM
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Howson, year after year, trotted Mason out. Early in the thread he was referred to as "world class." He had a great rookie campaign. Howson didn't draft and develop goalies, he did nothing to fix the teams biggest weakness until this past off-season. That is an undeniable and huge mistake.
That is deniable.

When Howson came in, the goalies in the system were:
- Pascal Leclaire. 24 years old, two years as an NHL backup and spot starter, with a frightening injury history.
- Fredrik Norrena. 33 years old, one year as an NHL starter.
- Tomas Popperle. 22 years old, and was attempting to recover from a career-threatening injury.
- Dan LaCosta. 21 years old, one year as a pro (with only 29 games played, split between the ECHL and AHL).
- Steve Mason. 19 years old, one year as a starter in the OHL.

I'll take a second to point out that Columbus did not draft a goalie in the 2002, 2003, or 2004 drafts. This resulted in a very thin goalie farm, and results in a rather embarrassing situation in 2006-07 that was called "grab any goalie who hits waivers". Most people forget that Brian Boucher and Ty Conklin played for Columbus. This wasn't Howson; this was Doug MacLean.

In the 2007 draft, Howson picked Allen York from the AJHL. York played three years in college, then turned pro. He's played in the NHL, and is still a prospects.

2010 saw the drafting of Mathieu Corbeil-Theriault and Martin Ouellette. Corbeil-Theriault ended up on the Saint John Sea Dogs and apparently stagnated; he was never signed and went back into the draft (where he was not picked as a re-entry). Ouellette was a high school player on his way to Maine; he became the starter this year after beginning as the third-string goalie.

2011 saw the drafting of Anton Forsberg, who's still in Sweden but has apparently come along nicely. 2012 saw Oscar Dansk picked in the second round and Joonas Korpisalo in the third.

However, unlike MacLean, several moves were made during the interim seasons.

In 2007-08, Leclaire was able to start most of the season, knocking Norrena down to backup status. Adam Munro was signed to a two-way contract. In 2008-09, Steve Mason broke through after Pascal Leclaire was injured. Norrena skipped out on his contract mid-season, and Wade Dubielewicz was claimed off waivers as a result. Leclaire was traded for Antoine Vermette, and Kevin Lalande was acquired from the Flames.

Before the 2009-10 season, Dubielewicz left and Mathieu Garon was signed. The next year, Gustaf Wesslau was signed from Sweden after a couple of excellent seasons as a starter. He was a disaster and ended up in the AHL. Lalande and LaCosta both fell apart and weren't qualified. Wesslau went back overseas. Curtis Sanford and Mark Dekanich were brought in; Dekanich was injured in the preseason and missed the entire year, and Sanford played well before ending up with back spasms that ended his season. Curtis McElhinney was acquired in a trade.

And before this year, Sergei Bobrovsky was acquired in a trade.

So let's back up here. A young goalie comes in and excels immediately, winning the Calder Trophy and backstopping a long-mediocre franchise to its first playoff appearance. Would you say, "Damn, we really need to do something about this guy?" When the team fell apart in 2009-10, it wasn't that Mason fell apart; a lot of guys played horribly. A core of defensive defensemen suddenly couldn't do anything except allow high-quality shots from prime areas. Mason was outplayed slightly by Mathieu Garon; the next year, Garon fell apart and Mason actually rebounded quite nicely.

Last year was the first year that Mason truly looked like an AHL goalie on a regular basis. He had his moments the prior two years, but to act like he was past his prime at age 23 is complete revisionist history. And to act like that 23-year-old needed to be dumped as soon as humanly possible is absurd. A lot of guys have looked good early, struggled, and then rebounded. It's impossible, in that moment of struggle, to conclusively say, "This guy will never amount to anything".

If Howson "never did anything", why was Garon (a longtime pro and mostly backup with a couple years as a starter) signed? Why was Dekanich (who was basically the same guy as Ben Bishop) signed? Why was Dubielewicz (former NHL starter) claimed? Why was Wesslau (starter in the Swedish Elite League) signed? Why were young prospects coming into the system?

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