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03-24-2013, 01:21 PM
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You are both right.

TT is a small ("5'9") skilled center playing in Finland with high end potential. Due to his age and size etc., it is a matter of conjecture as to how he will develop.

Shore is a big (6'2") two-center playing in the NHL. Worse case, he translates into a two-way, 3rd line center. Best case, he becomes a solid number 2.

I would argue that Shore today has more value because he has demonstrated that he can play in the NHL and his downside is slotting in as a 3rd line center.

That is not to suggest that the Hawks would have any interest in Shore, because the Hawks already have Bolland and can afford to roll the dice on TT.
Teravainen is listed as ether 5'10" (HockeyDB) or 5'11" (Eliteprospects) and is much closer to 5'11" than 5'9". I have no idea where you got that height number for Teravainen, unless you were just using it to support an argument for Shore > Teravainen.

Using the bolded logic, Andrew Shaw is more valuable than Nick Bjugstad.

And Chicago would likely have interest in Shore, just not at the expense of Teravainen, who's 3 years younger and who's offensive potential is widly considered high-end/elite.

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The Panthers are looking to add a center prospect because they're trading Bjugstad to the Canucks in the offseason.

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03-24-2013, 01:24 PM
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this won't happen, both teams aren't interested in this

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03-24-2013, 01:25 PM
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Not a chance, Shore will be around for awhile. Tallinn didn't make that offer.
Who's Tallinn?
And without sources its pretty hard to say that. Shore's awesome, but Teravainen's also the real deal. I'd do it if I was Florida. Good 2-way 2C for first line winger, if both reach potential.

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And also, Teravainen is a winger, not a center. He was experimented as center a couple times, but is much more productive as a winger and will likely play W in the NHL.

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That's someone making something up who's never seen Drew Shore and has no idea what type of player he could be. Ridiculously made up.
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Really doubt Chicago trades TT for anyone.

That is a nice package though.

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03-24-2013, 02:02 PM
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Who's Tallinn?
And without sources its pretty hard to say that. Shore's awesome, but Teravainen's also the real deal. I'd do it if I was Florida. Good 2-way 2C for first line winger, if both reach potential.
Clearly a spelling error, it's not going to happen. You don't need sources.

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I cant see it either without specificly seeing what they have in both on a broader, first hand stage larger then a training/rookie camp.

Still, the Mueller part is intriguing. I really wouldn't put the kibosh on the kid just yet if the price was right, namely Kyle Beach and a pick.
Mueller does nothing for Hawks

Cant play C and isn't an upgrade over any of our top 9 wingers currently

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lol at this rumor. Why would Florida deal Shore+ for an "unproven" prospect? I call major BS!

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03-24-2013, 02:20 PM
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Teravainen is listed as ether 5'10" (HockeyDB) or 5'11" (Eliteprospects) and is much closer to 5'11" than 5'9".
I've seen him live couple of times.. I don't think he is..

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I've seen him live couple of times.. I don't think he is..
Here's a picture of (at least) 6'1" Mark McNeill standing with Stan Bowman after being draft:



There seems to be an inch or two difference in height.

Here's a picture of Teravainen standing beside Stan Bomwan after being drafted:



So, if we say Stan Bowman is at least 5'10", than Teravainen has to be at least 5'10" aswell and is probably closer to 5'11" at this point.

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Here's a picture of (at least) 6'1" Mark McNeill standing with Stan Bowman after being draft:



There seems to be an inch or two difference in height.

Here's a picture of Teravainen standing beside Stan Bomwan after being drafted:



So, if we say Stan Bowman is at least 5'10", than Teravainen has to be at least 5'10" aswell and is probably closer to 5'11" at this point.
Well, with the face on the guy on the right in obvious pain, I am positive TT is stepping on his feet.

5'9 it is.







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So, if we say Stan Bowman is at least 5'10", than Teravainen has to be at least 5'10" aswell and is probably closer to 5'11" at this point.
Pics don't always tell the full story.

I was against that ''he's much closer to 5´11 than 5´9''. 5'10 max. I have never been measured taller than 5´8 and he wasn't that much taller than me. He does have kind of light stature so that could've confused but I doubt it.

Though he is still young and may grow, many Finns do so at late age.

Maybe I was blind the times I saw him. Anyway, agree to disagree then.

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here he is w/ olli maatta (who is 6'2)



I think 5'11 sounds about right.

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Pics don't always tell the full story.

I was against that ''he's much closer to 5´11 than 5´9''. 5'10 max. I have never been measured taller than 5´8 and he wasn't that much taller than me. He does have kind of light stature so that could've confused but I doubt it.

Though he is still young and may grow, many Finns do so at late age.

Maybe I was blind the times I saw him. Anyway, agree to disagree then.
It's probably that. I remember in RNH's draft year people saying he was short - even though he really isn't...just being so slight made him seem that way.

ETA: this is apparently a list of the official heights/weights from the combine last year - he's listed as being 5'10.75, 169. http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/06/...s-and-weights/

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You are both right.

TT is a small ("5'9") skilled center playing in Finland with high end potential. Due to his age and size etc., it is a matter of conjecture as to how he will develop.

Shore is a big (6'2") two-center playing in the NHL. Worse case, he translates into a two-way, 3rd line center. Best case, he becomes a solid number 2.

I would argue that Shore today has more value because he has demonstrated that he can play in the NHL and his downside is slotting in as a 3rd line center.

That is not to suggest that the Hawks would have any interest in Shore, because the Hawks already have Bolland and can afford to roll the dice on TT.
Age cannot be overstated here. Shore was born in Jan/91 and Teravainen in Sep/94, making Shore 3 1/2 years older than TT. In fact, with TT only 18, he could still grow another inch or two. But even at only 5'10" or 5'11", with his skating, hands and vision - he has the potential to be an elite player. No way you trade an 18 year old with that potential for a 22 year old, who at best will be a second line player and more than likely a third line player.

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It's probably that. I remember in RNH's draft year people saying he was short - even though he really isn't...just being so slight made him seem that way.

ETA: this is apparently a list of the official heights/weights from the combine last year - he's listed as being 5'10.75, 169. http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/06/...s-and-weights/
Oh forgot about that. Seems legit to me, my bad. Apologies.

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03-25-2013, 01:54 AM
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I'm pretty sure Tallon hasn't offered this, why would he?

Teräväinen is good to have, but I don't see why Tallon would do this. He could get a nice return for Mueller alone while keeping Shore

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03-25-2013, 02:19 AM
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Teuvo Teravainen

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=144613

Height: 5'-10"
Weight: 185 lbs

Teuvo Teravainen and Phillip Danault are the Chicago Blackhawks two top prospects; neither are going nowhere.

As far as Dale Tallon is concerned, he can take back his 2008 first round and 2009 first round draft picks, Beach and Olsen.

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Looks like my guy JJ heard what I heard last night about Mueller coming to the Hawks;

FLORIDA

A source out of Canada told me yesterday that former Hawk GM Dale Tallon has his sights set on the jewel of the Hawk talent pipeline, 2012 #1 pick, Teuvo Teravainen.

Tallon has allegedly offered RW Peter Mueller and C Drew Shore to the Hawks. My personal feeling is the Hawks will pass on this specific offer.


If that is the case, and all the Hawks give up is TT and some filler, then by all means, do it, Stan. That's an awful lot for a smaller prospect tho. But that size is just what the Hawks need, imo.

Come on Stan, come on, boy. Get this one done asap.
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03-25-2013, 08:45 AM
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Why would Tallon trade Shore+ for Teräväinen? Because he sees the talent in TT what I also see.

I see every Teräväinen's game and I think he is going to be top3 playmaking winger in NHL in his prime. He is just so smart and have incredible hands already as a 18 year old.

With all the finishing power what Hawks have, TT is a perfect fit for Chicago. At the moment the problem with his currently team is that his linemates can't finish from his feeds.

Now: Mueller & Shore > TT
When Teräväinen is +25 years old: TT > Mueller & Shore

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I can't really speak to what Shore is worth, and Im not crazy about Mueller, however I can def. understand this trade from both sides. Sounds like Shore might be NHL ready right now? He and Mueller could probably help the Hawks somewhat in their shot at the cup this year.

On the other hand TT is probably 2-3 years away still, however I think one of Tallon's favorites is frequently listed as a comparable for TT.... speaking of Patty Kane of course. Personally, while I like TT, I haven't seen him very much, and nothing says to me that he has the same potential as Kane.... similar styles maybe, but I don't know if TT will deliver in the same way.

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I could see Mueller, not Shore being included in any deal(realistically )

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Not seeing what the thrill of Mueller is...

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