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03-24-2013, 05:31 PM
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Pitt just raised the prices on rentals this deadline.
They overpaid for a 35 year old winger who has been struggling recently.

Sellers market.
I'm salivating at this prospect and Gaborik/Richards.

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I'm salivating at this prospect and Gaborik/Richards.
We can't deal Richards. We'd get screwed if he retired before the end of the deal. We have to use an amnesty buyout on him.

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We can't deal Richards. We'd get screwed if he retired before the end of the deal. We have to use an amnesty buyout on him.
Can some one explain this? Why will be still be on the hook for the recapture or whatever it is called if he retires with another team?

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Can some one explain this? Why will be still be on the hook for the recapture or whatever it is called if he retires with another team?
that's the new CBA. I think it goes against both teams caps, the one he is traded to and the one that signed him (unless traded before the new CBA) if the contract length is greater than 6 years, I think.

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We can't deal Richards. We'd get screwed if he retired before the end of the deal. We have to use an amnesty buyout on him.
I think this has been overstated. If he does retire early, it'll likely happen years from now under the next CBA, which may or may not offer some relief, and under a much higher cap - and that dead space means a lot less if the limit is say $80MM or $90MM.

Furthermore, you have to consider that risk in the context of the trade. Do I want to risk having 6-7% of my capspace wasted for a couple of years? In a vacuum, no. But, would I be willing to risk 6-7% of dead cap for a couple of years in exchange for a really good haul in a trade? Yeah, I'd be willing to take that risk, especially given the other considerations I mentioned above.

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Can some one explain this? Why will be still be on the hook for the recapture or whatever it is called if he retires with another team?
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all years of existing long-term contracts in excess of five (5) years be counted against a Club’s Cap regardless of whether or where a Player is playing. While such contracts (and Cap charges) can be traded during their terms, in the event a Player subsequently retires or ceases to play, the effective Cap charge would revert to the Club that originally entered into the contract.
For Richards, If he retires in the off season of 2017 before the three $1M annual salary years begin.
Rangers are hit with a $17M cap penalty. $5,666.667 for 3 years.

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Knowing how the Rangers have operated this season, Gaborik will score like 7 goals in 3 games leading us to 3 dramatic and pivotal victories and will immediately be traded.

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Knowing how the Rangers have operated this season, Gaborik will score like 7 goals in 3 games leading us to 3 dramatic and pivotal victories and will immediately be traded.
or will get traded and score back to back hat tricks for his new team

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Wouldn't worry about that for next several days. Other moves possible RT @ramjam900: @stevezipay Ideas on who sits now that zuc is back?
As per Zipay, more moves may be on the horizon for the Rangers

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As per Zipay, more moves may be on the horizon for the Rangers
Interesting........

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As per Zipay, more moves may be on the horizon for the Rangers
Zipay has as many inside sources as my little sister.

EDIT - It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict the Rangers are setting themselves up for moves prior to the deadline.

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More moves coming? Why? This team is perfect !


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As per Zipay, more moves may be on the horizon for the Rangers
Newbury swapped with Miller...

Maybe trading Boyle?

Or Gaborik. Haha.

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Hopefully we make some moves to actually try and change something. The last few were akin to Sather moving his office across the hall.

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Guys, it really isn't that hard of a concept to grasp. This is thread to discuss actual rumors with sources. Not, I want this for Gaborik, etc.

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Edit: Two second round picks....sheesh

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ummmm and some wonder why the Rangers claimed Hamrlik on waivers and signed Zuccarello

that's a little crazy for a guy some Sharks fans wanted out for nothing

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ummmm and some wonder why the Rangers claimed Hamrlik on waivers and signed Zuccarello

that's a little crazy for a guy some Sharks fans wanted out for nothing
it really is, considering we were getting ripped on the main boards for seeing what the value for Gabs is.. id hate to trade em, but if values are sky rocketing id try and trade him out west hawks/kings, where ever we can get a lot for him..

i just see this being possible if they are bringing in MZA and possibly Fast, they must think hes ready to go.. trade deadline should be interested..

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I think this has been overstated. If he does retire early, it'll likely happen years from now under the next CBA, which may or may not offer some relief, and under a much higher cap - and that dead space means a lot less if the limit is say $80MM or $90MM.

Furthermore, you have to consider that risk in the context of the trade. Do I want to risk having 6-7% of my capspace wasted for a couple of years? In a vacuum, no. But, would I be willing to risk 6-7% of dead cap for a couple of years in exchange for a really good haul in a trade? Yeah, I'd be willing to take that risk, especially given the other considerations I mentioned above.
The new CBA is good until 2019, where the NHL and NHLPA have the option to terminate it, or continue another two years. Richard's deal goes to 2020. If he is traded this off-season and he retires 2 years early, we're stuck with a 8.5 million cap hit for a player that's retired for at least one guaranteed year, 2 if the CBA isn't terminated or the clause stays in the next one. If he retires 1 year early and the clause stays, it's a 17 million cap hit for him to not play. It gets even worst if he isn't traded this off-season. Sure the cap will go up some but it still runs the risk of using 20% of your capspace on him, which for a cap team like us could ruin things for a very long time. How can you take that risk?

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The new CBA is good until 2019, where the NHL and NHLPA have the option to terminate it, or continue another two years. Richard's deal goes to 2020. If he is traded this off-season and he retires 2 years early, we're stuck with a 8.5 million cap hit for a player that's retired for at least one guaranteed year, 2 if the CBA isn't terminated or the clause stays in the next one. If he retires 1 year early and the clause stays, it's a 17 million cap hit for him to not play. It gets even worst if he isn't traded this off-season. Sure the cap will go up some but it still runs the risk of using 20% of your capspace on him, which for a cap team like us could ruin things for a very long time. How can you take that risk?
I don't see any scenario in which he isn't bought out after next season. I'm hoping it's done this season.

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Mats Zuccarello will fly to Ottawa tonight and meet the #NYR there. Rangers scheduled to practice in Philly tomorrow before going to Canada.
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The Zuccarello thread is closed and does not seem to make sense to make a new one.

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The new CBA is good until 2019, where the NHL and NHLPA have the option to terminate it, or continue another two years. Richard's deal goes to 2020. If he is traded this off-season and he retires 2 years early, we're stuck with a 8.5 million cap hit for a player that's retired for at least one guaranteed year, 2 if the CBA isn't terminated or the clause stays in the next one. If he retires 1 year early and the clause stays, it's a 17 million cap hit for him to not play. It gets even worst if he isn't traded this off-season. Sure the cap will go up some but it still runs the risk of using 20% of your capspace on him, which for a cap team like us could ruin things for a very long time. How can you take that risk?
This is scary. I'm sure their capologists are aware of these numbers but I hope the Rangers don't do something stupid and not amnesty him. We'd be in a cap nightmare if they didn't.

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This is scary. I'm sure their capologists are aware of these numbers but I hope the Rangers don't do something stupid and not amnesty him. We'd be in a cap nightmare if they didn't.
Richards could come alive, score at a 2ppg pace for the rest of the season, lead the team to a Stanley Cup this season, have a 100pt campaign and deep into the playoffs next season, and he'd still pretty much be a guaranteed amnesty because of the risk of him retiring early and destroying the team with that cap hit.

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