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03-24-2013, 10:51 PM
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Question: would you trade Forbort, Toffoli, and a high pick for another Cup this year?

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im DL i make an offer with the only guys not on the table are VV and Forbort.

VV for obvious reasons.

Forbort because LA doesn't have much else that is going to fit into the role of traditional stay at home guy down the road. right now it's Greene and likely Ellerby, but the system is thin in this department

Erikkson is 27 and still has 2 years left on his $4.25M contract each season. great two way player, with very good skill set offensively.

roster something like this dramatically improves the team top to bottom

Eriksson - Kopitar - JW
DB - Richards - Carter
Penner - Stoll - Lewis
King - Fraser - Nolan

or

Erikkson - Kopi - DB
Carter - Richie - JW
Penner - Stoll - Lewis
King - Fraser - Nolan

the top 6 overall is now loaded with talent and all play a strong two way game. the 3rd line has some ability. the 4th line becomes an absolute grind line, working the opposition down.

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Question: would you trade Forbort, Toffoli, and a high pick for another Cup this year?
Of course. And Bernier too. It doesn't work like that though.

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Sure, do you have a crystal ball that we don't know about?

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03-24-2013, 10:58 PM
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Now there are reports that DAL is possibly looking at moving Eriksson. I would rather see LA make a move for Louie E, than go for an over the hill Iginla. He is signed through 2015-16 and at $4.25M, which fits in now. With Gagne and Penner off after this season that salary would fit. Hell Penner's salary almost pays for it all.
With the cap dropping by almost $6 million and Quick contract extension kicking in, we'll have $10 million less in cap space right there. Eriksson doesn't fit as easily as it sounds.

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They will probably want Toffoli, Forbort, and a first
Agreed. Maybe drop Toffoli or Forbort and insert Lewis and a 2nd, but yeah, something pretty close to that.

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Question: would you trade Forbort, Toffoli, and a high pick for another Cup this year?
If it would guarantee us a cup, yes. I'd trade the whole team for a guaranteed cup.

It doesn't guarantee us a cup though. At most, it gurantees us a slightly better chance at the cup. And for that, no, I wouldn't give up Forbort, Toffoli and a high pick.

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03-24-2013, 11:01 PM
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Would be awesome if we get Eriksson but it's gonna take an overpayment.


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No, we'd be giving up too much in futures for another shot. Were still good enough now to win it again without moving that much to repeat.

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Would be awesome if we get Eriksson but it's gonna take an overpayment.

an overpayment for Eriksson makes more sense than one for Iggy.

27 fwd in his prime, signed for two more years

or a

36 fwd past his prime and UFA in a few months

doesn't take a genius to figure that one out

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If we were to consider Iginla as an asset beyond the season, we run into cap problems fast. Even if he were to resign at say 5 million a season, we've got strong potential for trouble. As a rental he works no problem but beyond that...

On the other hand, Eriksson is the sort of situation DL hunts for, if it has any legs to it. I would endorse that move wholeheartedly.

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Don't know how I feel about getting Iginla overall. He turned 36 over the offseason, and will want a multi-year deal, and will get it. As fit and healthy as he is, it is still a gamble, not to mention our offense, as is, should be highly effective. Toffoli is set to assume a similar role as well. Would feel more comfortable going after a top 4 defenseman. Wouldn't complain at all to get Iginla though. He is the best luxury we could possibly get.
No worries mate. Jagr, Selanne and Whitney all in their 40s and still going strong. Two year extension is definitely doable.

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Assuming that Iggy wants 5M or less to re-sign, I would prefer Iggy over Eriksson. I just think for around same amount of money, Iggy would be a better fit and brings more to the table.

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Nevermind: Eriksson is a Larry Brooks wishful thinking rumor.

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No worries mate. Jagr, Selanne and Whitney all in their 40s and still going strong. Two year extension is definitely doable.
That's 3 players out of how many?

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That's 3 players out of how many?
Don't know, you tell me. But I'm thinking it's a fairly low number.

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Kozun, forbort and a 3rd wouldn't be get it done?

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If we are trading Bernier, then we probably would only need to add a prospect and maybe a low pick. Boston and Chicago can't add a goaltender like Bernier, so we do have a pretty good chip when dealing with Calgary. The problem is, do we want to send Bernier to Calgary for Iginla when we might be able to deal him elsewhere for an asset we truly need, perhaps a younger, or even signed one? I am sure Dean is looking at far more offers than just Iginla, and there has got to be a lot of different possibilities with Bernier. Iginla is a depreciating asset, better make the most of Bernier while is stock is through the roof.

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Question: would you trade Forbort, Toffoli, and a high pick for another Cup this year?
Of course, if only we could guarantee it... For Iginla? Hell no. I'd part with such a package for a proven legit core winger, that would be apart of many cup runs, signed to a good deal or RFA, since that is such a limited window, I would chalk it up to not likely Especially given that that is what our exact hopes are for Toffoli.

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No worries mate. Jagr, Selanne and Whitney all in their 40s and still going strong. Two year extension is definitely doable.
It is still a gamble with his age. I would have no problems giving him a deal in the offseason, I am not overly concerned with Iginla's fitness levels, but if you are giving up major assets, it could prove a costly maneuver that could bite you in the back. He isn't playing a position he are in dire need of, so it would be a luxury that would mostly satisfy Sutter's wants, but not the team's. Need defense more than anything.

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Kozun, forbort and a 3rd wouldn't be get it done?
I'm unclear if you are talking about Iginla or Eriksson, but in both cases, no.

Kozun doesn't hold much value outside of the Kings organization, and a 3rd isn't much of a chip at the trade deadline. Picks have no lower value than they do at the trade deadline. Forbort is nice, but he's not even as valueable as Joe Morrow IMO, and he only fetched Brendan Morrow, not Iginla.

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Don't know, you tell me. But I'm thinking it's a fairly low number.
Yeah, it's a low number because most players are retired by then. Therefore, saying that Iginla will be effective into his 40's is a long shot.

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Yeah, it's a low number because most players are retired by then. Therefore, saying that Iginla will be effective into his 40's is a long shot.
Maybe your abacus is low on battery, but according to mine, 35 (his current age) +2 yr (which is what I proposed) = 37 not 40.

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Maybe your abacus is low on battery, but according to mine, 35 (his current age) +2 yr (which is what I proposed) = 37 not 40.
Well either you want to slice it, there's not a whole lot of 37 year olds producing on a first or second line on an above average NHL team. Not to mention a 35+ contract you are locked into for the cap hit regardless of what happens. He could die (literally) and you have that cap hit.

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Well either you want to slice it, there's not a whole lot of 37 year olds producing on a first or second line on an above average NHL team. Not to mention a 35+ contract you are locked into for the cap hit regardless of what happens. He could die (literally) and you have that cap hit.
Not worried about his age or his possible pending death apparently.

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Eriksson has 3 years after this left after this. He has size, plays two ways, and can score. He plays a position we are very weak at. He plays at just under a ppg pace.

I would give up Toffoli in a heart beat for him, Forbert or AMart and next years 1st as well. These guys do not grow on trees, never come up in there prime. He is battle tested and proven. We have our only LW coing up for free agency year after next in Brown who at 3.175 will get one heck of a raise. I hate to say it but with Eriksson in camp it makes the loss of Brown (if we have to for cap reasons) more tolerable.

We have a long term core signed - Kopitar, Carter, Richards, Doughty and Quick. They all get paid well and take up 30.6 mil together but no one can be looked at as having a bad contract compared to what Getzlaf, Staal, etc are getting. Adding another top line piece signed for this year and 3 more for 4 millin a year is good in a cap world. What will Browns worth be? 5 mil plus?

Hell if Voynov wants over 5 mil a year, he would someone I would consider trading him.

But after all this, I doubt there is anyway in hell that Dallas trades him!

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Not worried about his age or his possible pending death apparently.
When a player is 36 this off-season and you're talking about giving him a multi-year extension, you should be. Look at Willie Mitchell.

And the death comment was just to show how far that cap hit can be binding, no need to be a smartass.

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Eriksson has 3 years after this left after this. He has size, plays two ways, and can score. He plays a position we are very weak at. He plays at just under a ppg pace.

I would give up Toffoli in a heart beat for him, Forbert or AMart and next years 1st as well. These guys do not grow on trees, never come up in there prime. He is battle tested and proven. We have our only LW coing up for free agency year after next in Brown who at 3.175 will get one heck of a raise. I hate to say it but with Eriksson in camp it makes the loss of Brown (if we have to for cap reasons) more tolerable.

We have a long term core signed - Kopitar, Carter, Richards, Doughty and Quick. They all get paid well and take up 30.6 mil together but no one can be looked at as having a bad contract compared to what Getzlaf, Staal, etc are getting. Adding another top line piece signed for this year and 3 more for 4 millin a year is good in a cap world. What will Browns worth be? 5 mil plus?

Hell if Voynov wants over 5 mil a year, he would someone I would consider trading him.

But after all this, I doubt there is anyway in hell that Dallas trades him!
I don't think we'll lose Brown because of cap reason. He'll likely take a hometown discount to make it work. But I do agree, Eriksson is a pipe dream.

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When a player is 36 this off-season and you're talking about giving him a multi-year extension, you should be. Look at Willie Mitchell.

And the death comment was just to show how far that cap hit can be binding, no need to be a smartass.
For every Willie Mitchell, there's a Teemu Selanne, so, no, I don't share your view. As for the smartass comment, it was more of me just having fun, but hey, it is what it is.

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