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03-24-2013, 11:37 PM
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NYR - JETS (No, not Gaborik)

Pyatt for Postma

Both are struggling a bit after a good start, need a change of scenery. We need D, you need Forwards.
Pyatt can skate well, forechecks well, responsible defensively, can pot you some goals from the 3rd line.
You can add another big body to your collection

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03-25-2013, 12:05 AM
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Pyatt for Postma

Both are struggling a bit after a good start, need a change of scenery. We need D, you need Forwards.
Pyatt can skate well, forechecks well, responsible defensively, can pot you some goals from the 3rd line.
You can add another big body to your collection
28th ranked offense doesn't need forwards?

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28th ranked offense doesn't need forwards?
Was gonna say, we need D? Once Staal is back, we just need a solid #6.

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28th ranked offense doesn't need forwards?
We have enough forwards in the system to replace him, we don't have any depth at D.
With Staal injured, Girardi is playing hurt since the took that shot from PK in the ankle, McDonagh is banged up a little himself, we need some depth D.

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03-25-2013, 12:16 AM
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I'd rather see if Postma can transition his AHL success at the NHL level than deal him for a forgettable player like Pyatt.

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I'd rather see if Postma can transition his AHL success at the NHL level than deal him for a forgettable player like Pyatt.
Fair enough. And this is better than the old "Want to use X for an upgrade". Which is what every fan wants with their players, but sometimes a hockey trade to improve both teams is the way to go.

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I'd rather see if Postma can transition his AHL success at the NHL level than deal him for a forgettable player like Pyatt.
+1. He has second-pairing upside and should be reasonably productive offensively (not that he'll get much of a chance on the PP in Winnipeg). I think they could get more than a player like Pyatt for him and if not, they're best off waiting until they can.

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Definitely in the ballpark of what we're after, but we're more after RW guys and younger. Also given the Redmond injury, it's best to trade Postma in the off season. Give him more of a chance to prove himself and increase his value as well.

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Not bad value.

I'd rather see the Jets put Postma in a package to get something more valuable than Pyatt though.

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+1. He has second-pairing upside and should be reasonably productive offensively (not that he'll get much of a chance on the PP in Winnipeg). I think they could get more than a player like Pyatt for him and if not, they're best off waiting until they can.
I don't see the second pairing upside you see.
I buy everybody else reason for not doing the trade except this one.

I did some DD on Postma before I posted this. I don't mean to trash other teams players but this is based on stats. watching 2 Jets games and "color" by a Jets blogger.

He is #8 on your depth chart based on TOI. Also #8 in +/- while playing sheltered minutes and was scratched few times.

This is a review of Paul Postma at the halfway point by a Jet blogger (It includes all dmen + goalies)
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2013/...efense-goalies
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Paul Postma has found his way into the press-box, which is quite deserved as he has been a train-wreck defensively at time and has stopped producing offense as he's only added one assist since the quarter-pole. While his CorsiOn is still quite high, it is in very sheltered minutes, and if he isn't helping on offense I'm not sure he can help the team. Grade: D+
I have watched only 2 Jets games this season where Postma was on the ice, against the Devils and against the Rangers (was scratched in the other one vs the Rangers), nothing in those games made me doubt the above assessment.
Again I was looking at him only as depth D that can hopefully improve to a solid #6 and PP specialist. But if you have other plans for him, I'd understand.


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Yes, he is currently NHL Depth D but he is an AHL All-star at the same time. If he could adjust to the NHL speed then he could be a very good player for us. That said, at present he is not at that level. I agree with what was said above, that I'm ok if he goes because he may never reach that level, but I think he's better used as a + in a trade for a higher value player coming back.

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I don't see the second pairing upside you see.
I buy everybody else reason for not doing the trade except this one.

I did some DD on Postma before I posted this. I don't mean to trash other teams players but this is based on stats. watching 2 Jets games and "color" by a Jets blogger.

He is #8 on your depth chart based on TOI. Also #8 in +/- while playing sheltered minutes and was scratched few times.

This is a review of Paul Postma at the halfway point by a Jet blogger (It includes all dmen + goalies)
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2013/...efense-goalies


I have watched only 2 Jets games this season where Postma was on the ice, against the Devils and against the Rangers (was scratched in the other one vs the Rangers), nothing in those games made me doubt the above assessment.
Again I was looking at him only as depth D that can hopefully improve to a solid #6 and PP specialist. But if you have other plans for him, I'd understand.
This is his first season in the NHL, while I agree that Redmond had transitioned better, I do think that we need to give Pauly Post a bit more time to adjust his game.

He may never reach 2nd pairing, but that is definitely his ceiling, no debating that I don't think.

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03-25-2013, 05:15 AM
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I don't see the second pairing upside you see.
I buy everybody else reason for not doing the trade except this one.

I did some DD on Postma before I posted this. I don't mean to trash other teams players but this is based on stats. watching 2 Jets games and "color" by a Jets blogger.

He is #8 on your depth chart based on TOI. Also #8 in +/- while playing sheltered minutes and was scratched few times.

This is a review of Paul Postma at the halfway point by a Jet blogger (It includes all dmen + goalies)
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2013/...efense-goalies


I have watched only 2 Jets games this season where Postma was on the ice, against the Devils and against the Rangers (was scratched in the other one vs the Rangers), nothing in those games made me doubt the above assessment.
Again I was looking at him only as depth D that can hopefully improve to a solid #6 and PP specialist. But if you have other plans for him, I'd understand.
Well I'm one of the few writers for that blog too and I would say I'm higher on his upside than what that grade suggests. It was a total what have you done for me lately type grading and I know even your stalwart D (not saying sarcastically, I like your D-core) has bad periods.
(also, I didn't agree with a lot of those grades )

He will never be able to take tough minutes I don't think.
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4. Paul Postma, Defense
2010-11 Ranking: 2nd
Date of birth: 02/22/1989
Age: 23
Height: 6'3''
Weight: 196
Shoots: Right
Statistics: 56 GP, 13 G, 44 P (Chicago-AHL)
Acquired: Seventh round, 205th overall in 2007 by Winnipeg (then Atlanta)

The Good: Postma skates very well, especially for a somewhat bigger defender, as he is very agile, fast, and mobile in all directions. He's a very good offensive defenseman with solid hands, with the ability to do a lot from the blue line. Postma has a bomb from the point, and when I've seen people track it in skills competitions, he gets logged in the mid to high 90s in miles per hour. He's started to physically fill out and could be average in that department.

The Bad: Hockey sense is Postma's Achilles heel, and while I think he's shown notable defensive improvement, he still makes some pretty bad decisions either with the puck or in terms of his defensive play.

Projection: He could be a decent second pairing defender who is great on the power play.
Basically sums up my opinions too.
He's a great guy to have on bottom pair+2nd PP who will most likely top out as a #4.
He may very well may be available, but his availability kind of fell down a lot with Redmond's injury and us not knowing if he'll ever return.



I'm not saying he's worth > or < than Pyatt... just helping you evaluate the other teams player to help you find what you think would be a fair deal.
So in summary: bottom pair PP RH PMD, who will likely (but not surely) transfer up to 2nd pairing peak.

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28th ranked offense doesn't need forwards?
good point.

Pyatt is part of the group of Rangers that needs forwards.

says alot about Pyatt

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Well I'm one of the few writers for that blog too and I would say I'm higher on his upside than what that grade suggests. It was a total what have you done for me lately type grading and I know even your stalwart D (not saying sarcastically, I like your D-core) has bad periods.
(also, I didn't agree with a lot of those grades )

He will never be able to take tough minutes I don't think.
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Basically sums up my opinions too.
He's a great guy to have on bottom pair+2nd PP who will most likely top out as a #4.
He may very well may be available, but his availability kind of fell down a lot with Redmond's injury and us not knowing if he'll ever return.



I'm not saying he's worth > or < than Pyatt... just helping you evaluate the other teams player to help you find what you think would be a fair deal.
So in summary: bottom pair PP RH PMD, who will likely (but not surely) transfer up to 2nd pairing peak.
Thanks for the feedback.

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28th ranked offense doesn't need forwards?
I'd give Pyatt away for free at this point.

He's a big part of the reason we're ranked 28th. Guy is a black hole offensively. He has no grit, no speed, no faceoff ability and sure as hell no offensive ability.

I'd trade him for practice pucks. Getting Postma would be a steal and the Jets would be morons to do this.

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Jets fan here familiar with both. Strongly considering it. Postma is a bottom pairing NHLer already, just don't see him getting much better. Pyatt is your typical big man that doesn't play big enough, but he'd definitely be better than Tangradi.

Only reason I would decline is the uncertainty with Redmond's injury. But even then, Trouba might be capable of replacing Postma's 6-7th minutes next year.

I'd be fine keeping Postma too though.

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Jets fan here familiar with both. Strongly considering it. Postma is a bottom pairing NHLer already, just don't see him getting much better. Pyatt is your typical big man that doesn't play big enough, but he'd definitely be better than Tangradi.

Only reason I would decline is the uncertainty with Redmond's injury. But even then, Trouba might be capable of replacing Postma's 6-7th minutes next year.

I'd be fine keeping Postma too though.
Call em up Glenny! Honestly, I'd put Pyatt on waivers with Halpern and Bickel. Can't wait till he's shipped out of here.

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I'd give Pyatt away for free at this point.

He's a big part of the reason we're ranked 28th. Guy is a black hole offensively. He has no grit, no speed, no faceoff ability and sure as hell no offensive ability.

I'd trade him for practice pucks. Getting Postma would be a steal and the Jets would be morons to do this.
I wouldn't say free, he's not total deadwood. In any event, it is an obvious case of attempted swindle. Definitely, Pyatt is a useful smaller piece the Jets can use, but no he's more of a throw in than a core piece.

Previous discussions on this topic were requesting the high ranking Jesper Fast, which are no go for Rangers. Fast looks like the real deal. Postma shows potential, but there is no certainty he will/how quickly will he master NHL game? I agree he has #4 potential, but right now he is really only solidly useful as a PP righty specialist.

Rangers should pay a REASONABLE premium, not crazy overpayment, for such a useful cog.

I am optimistic there is still a deal to be done, somewhere in between Fast and Pyatt. What about something like

Christian Thomas (highly skilled boom-bust RW) , Calle Anderson (long term replacement D) and Pyatt
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Jets fan here familiar with both. Strongly considering it. Postma is a bottom pairing NHLer already, just don't see him getting much better. Pyatt is your typical big man that doesn't play big enough, but he'd definitely be better than Tangradi.

Only reason I would decline is the uncertainty with Redmond's injury. But even then, Trouba might be capable of replacing Postma's 6-7th minutes next year.

I'd be fine keeping Postma too though.
If we have Postma and Hamrlik, we can afford to give you Eminger as a stopgap. You throw us a 6th.

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I wouldn't say free, he's not total deadwood. In any event, it is an obvious case of attempted swindle. Definitely, Pyatt is a useful smaller piece the Jets can use, but no he's more of a throw in than a core piece.

Previous discussions on this topic were requesting the high ranking Jesper Fast, which are no go for Rangers. Fast looks like the real deal. Postma shows potential, but there is no certainty he will/how quickly will he master NHL game? I agree he has #4 potential, but right now he is really only solidly useful as a PP righty specialist.

Rangers should pay a REASONABLE premium, not crazy overpayment, for such a useful cog.

I am optimistic there is still a deal to be done, somewhere in between Fast and Pyatt. What about something like

Christian Thomas (highly skilled boom-bust RW) , Calle Anderson (long term replacement D) and Pyatt
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Postma and a 4th? Something like that?
Overpayment from your end, as always.

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Call em up Glenny! Honestly, I'd put Pyatt on waivers with Halpern and Bickel. Can't wait till he's shipped out of here.

We get it, you don't like Pyatt.
Listen we agree on Boyle, we will disagree on Pyatt.

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Overpayment from your end, as always.
Bernmeister's proposals tend to ignore our needs in favor of moving as many bodies as possible. Usually our blueline is gutted too, having traded Staal AND Girardi for some superstar.

I'd keep Christian Thomas. He has the potential to be a star, even if it is unlikely, if he busts no harm done.

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I think you can compare Bern's proposals to those prison cafeteria scenes where one guy yells to change places and then a mass of bodies just swirl around until the table is unrecognizable.

Outside of that, we don't need D. This team is last in the East in scoring.

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I think you can compare Bern's proposals to those prison cafeteria scenes where one guy yells to change places and then a mass of bodies just swirl around until the table is unrecognizable.

Outside of that, we don't need D. This team is last in the East in scoring.
Why do you think there are Dan Boyle to Rangers rumors?

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