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David Desharnais - Black or White Edition

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Basically when Desharnais is scoring goals, you pout because he is not creating plays and when he dishes them out, you argue that he can’t score goals. Also you are not “... saying DD has been signed because he is french (So am i) as many do here...” but “... it's almost a professionnal suicide for Bergevin to NOT keep and signed Desharnais at this point in his career as GM in MTL. Seriously, Bergevin NEVER HAD THE CHOICE HERE...”.

Frankly, you being the creator of this thread is not healthy.

That said, I am very happy that Bergevin locked Desharnais for 4 more years at a cap friendly price. This deal mostly covers all of Desharnais’s prime years.

As ususal Bergevin

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As someone who's not particularly high on Desharnais, the constant circular arguments and analysis of his play & stats after every single game is starting to be a bit much. On that note, maybe I should just avoid this thread entirely...

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with eller pleks and galchenyuk, I'm not too concerned about dd since he won't need to be our #1 guy. Lots of good solid depth down the middle, why get rid of it?? We haven't had depth down the middle in for-ev-er.

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Basically when Desharnais is scoring goals, you pout because he is not creating plays and when he dishes them out, you argue that he can’t score goals. Also you are not “... saying DD has been signed because he is french (So am i) as many do here...” but “... it's almost a professionnal suicide for Bergevin to NOT keep and signed Desharnais at this point in his career as GM in MTL. Seriously, Bergevin NEVER HAD THE CHOICE HERE...”.

Frankly, you being the creator of this thread is not healthy.

That said, I am very happy that Bergevin locked Desharnais for 4 more years at a cap friendly price. This deal mostly covers all of Desharnais’s prime years.

As ususal Bergevin
First, you are mixing poeple up, cause i don't have any kind problem with the offensive game of DD (except for being on the PP at this time).

Second, changed the creator of that thread if it's make you feel better, i really don't mind.

Third, although my opinion about DD is unpopular, it doesn'T mean that i'm wrong or right, but i'm able to change my opinion once proven wrong...

Fourth, as for my comments you put out there.....you left the principal parts out.
Although i am 100% sure that Bergevin didn't had any choices, i clearly stated Bergevin might always wanted to keep him anyway.

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I don't agree with Pierre McGuire often, but he made good a point about DD, and how he fits on team perfectly a while ago, and I think Bergevin is doing the same. McGuire called it part of his 7 player profile(method to build a team), he basically said DD would be a 3rd line centre on a scoring line, but would be a pp specialities.

DD cap hit takes up about 5.5% of a 64M cap, that about borderline 2nd line/good 3rd line guy gets.

For me when everything falls into place, we'll like see Gally-DD/Eller down the middle, with the Eller line being the one that plays the tougher matches up.

Sadly this means Plek might be on the way out when Gally is ready to take over Centre, but I think it would be the right move.

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I don't agree with Pierre McGuire often, but he made good a point about DD, and how he fits on team perfectly a while ago, and I think Bergevin is doing the same. McGuire called it part of his 7 player profile(method to build a team), he basically said DD would be a 3rd line centre on a scoring line, but would be a pp specialities.

DD cap hit takes up about 5.5% of a 64M cap, that about borderline 2nd line/good 3rd line guy gets.

For me when everything falls into place, we'll like see Gally-DD/Eller down the middle, with the Eller line being the one that plays the tougher matches up.

Sadly this means Plek might be on the way out when Gally is ready to take over Centre, but I think it would be the right move.
Plekanec is 29 and shows no sign of slowing down. Playing better than all other centers over seasons since 2006. WHY?

DD=PP specialist ? He creates next to nothing on it lately. Huge total of 4 points on the PP. Hes a big part of our PP slumping.

Hockey is a business. We want to win the cup but we're hindered by emotions. We keep him because he's small and suceeded and he makes some pretty plays. It's sickening. DD doesnt bring us to cup level where he his used now.

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My lord, after 1000 posts do we REALLY need another thread about bashing DD?
What new substance can we poke out of this dead horse?

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My lord, after 1000 posts do we REALLY need another thread about bashing DD?
What new substance can we poke out of this dead horse?
Yes we need it, it's a message board.

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Galchenyuk is 19. Having him in Plekanec's role anytime soon will be a great way to ruin him.

Actually, and that's the problem with Desharnais - it's Desharnais' role that would be the easiest to fill with a 20 year old ultra-skilled center this year.

Or we could not rush to trade a center until we know just exactly what Galchenyuk and Eller will become.

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Plekanec is 29 and shows no sign of slowing down. Playing better than all other centers over seasons since 2006. WHY?

DD=PP specialist ? He creates next to nothing on it lately. Huge total of 4 points on the PP. Hes a big part of our PP slumping.

Hockey is a business. We want to win the cup but we're hindered by emotions. We keep him because he's small and suceeded and he makes some pretty plays. It's sickening. DD doesnt bring us to cup level where he his used now.
That's not why we keep him.

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That's not why we keep him.
Right, I forgot he's ''good'' if you give him tons of O-zone soft match-ups and that he's from QC.

While we could see the same damn production from Galchenyuk if we gave him the same role, while developping him to be our first C.

But DD is a fan/media favorite so, eh.

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Plekanec is 29 and shows no sign of slowing down. Playing better than all other centers over seasons since 2006. WHY?

DD=PP specialist ? He creates next to nothing on it lately. Huge total of 4 points on the PP. Hes a big part of our PP slumping.

Hockey is a business. We want to win the cup but we're hindered by emotions. We keep him because he's small and suceeded and he makes some pretty plays. It's sickening. DD doesnt bring us to cup level where he his used now.
DD has been successful on the pp before, last year he had 20 pp points. So I do think he can produce on the pp but you are right he has not been great on it this year.

Like someone said, DD role would actually be best to slide Gally into right way. But that isn't what management seem to be thinking.

I love Plek, but it seems like a centre would have to go at 1 point, Bergevin has said many times, even as recently on TVA sport, that he see's Gally as a centre, they just signed DD for 4 year, and then you have Eller and Plek at some point.

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DD has been successful on the pp before, last year he had 20 pp points. So I do think he can produce on the pp but you are right he has not been great on it this year.

Like someone said, DD role would actually be best to slide Gally into right way. But that isn't what management seem to be thinking.

I love Plek, but it seems like a centre would have to go at 1 point, Bergevin has said many times, even as recently on TVA sport, that he see's Gally as a centre, they just signed DD for 4 year, and then you have Eller and Plek at some point.
And this is why I'm partial to what Bergevin will be down the road.

He seem's to be too emotional when thinking hockey. Same with MT.
The Armstrong and Bouillon signing are prime indicators.

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I love Plek, but it seems like a centre would have to go at 1 point, Bergevin has said many times, even as recently on TVA sport, that he see's Gally as a centre, they just signed DD for 4 year, and then you have Eller and Plek at some point.
Gally will be a center long term.

But do you really want to see a 20 year old Galchenyuk in a 2-way role against the best opposition? Or see Desharnais in that role?

We aren't going to have two all offense scoring lines.

Of course this brings the other question we already discussed, can Desharnais play on the wings?

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I love Plek, but it seems like a centre would have to go at 1 point, Bergevin has said many times, even as recently on TVA sport, that he see's Gally as a centre, they just signed DD for 4 year, and then you have Eller and Plek at some point.
Sorry to burst your bubble but MTL is absolutely not getting rid of Pleks before they do DD. Plekanec has been or best overall forward again this season and can be used in any situation. I mean this season he is better on PP and generally offensively than DD, who's only upside is his offense. I just hope MTL moves DD to the wing if too many centers becomes a real issue.

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Right, I forgot he's ''good'' if you give him tons of O-zone soft match-ups and that he's from QC.

While we could see the same damn production from Galchenyuk if we gave him the same role, while developping him to be our first C.

But DD is a fan/media favorite so, eh.
That's why we're at what, the 3rd thread bashing him?

Let me get this straight. 3 coaches, 2 GMs and all feel the same way and they must all be wrong. Even Carbo had faith in him as well. Now, all these other guys would do better in his role according to you...maybe but would there be balance? if you load up a top line, they'll send best matchup against them and they'll score nothing. God forbid a coach has the mindset to give him flexibility on matchups.

BTW, I'm not a blind DD homer or anything like that. Guy is a support player and is paid like one. If that's our weakest link I'm thrilled.

I have said before and will say it again, the convo should be either how to redistribute his PP time, not to bash the guy. He's fine IMO but his PP production is lacking.

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Sorry to burst your bubble but MTL is absolutely not getting rid of Pleks before they do DD. Plekanec has been or best overall forward again this season and can be used in any situation. I mean this season he is better on PP and generally offensively than DD, who's only upside is his offense. I just hope MTL moves DD to the wing if too many centers becomes a real issue.
DD to wing is probably what will happen. Well, it may also be rotational or depend on hot streaks and cold streaks. Eller, Galchenyuk, Desharnais, Plekanec, White, Leblanc, etc... have all played C and W in the pros at one point or another. There's flexibility. Whatever is best for the team would be ideal.

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Sorry to burst your bubble but MTL is absolutely not getting rid of Pleks before they do DD. Plekanec has been or best overall forward again this season and can be used in any situation. I mean this season he is better on PP and generally offensively than DD, who's only upside is his offense. I just hope MTL moves DD to the wing if too many centers becomes a real issue.
No bubble to bust, I'm just think out loud on what management plans to do going forward.

They have indicated that they see DD part of the plan going forward, Gally is a lock, that leaves Plek and Eller. I mean I don't see the need to make a move until Gally is ready to be a full time centre, but I think its going to be sooner than later.

Also replying to @Et le But, unlikely small guys like Gionta, and Gallagher, DD can use his size to protect the puck well, but doesn't do well in puck battles along the boards like them, so him moving to wing is very unlikely IMO.

When the team had to move a centre to the wing when they wanted to move Gally to centre, they moved Eller, who they told during the summer, that if anyone moved to wing it would be him.

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That's why we're at what, the 3rd thread bashing him?

Let me get this straight. 3 coaches, 2 GMs and all feel the same way and they must all be wrong. Even Carbo had faith in him as well. Now, all these other guys would do better in his role according to you...maybe but would there be balance? if you load up a top line, they'll send best matchup against them and they'll score nothing. God forbid a coach has the mindset to give him flexibility on matchups.

BTW, I'm not a blind DD homer or anything like that. Guy is a support player and is paid like one. If that's our weakest link I'm thrilled.

I have said before and will say it again, the convo should be either how to redistribute his PP time, not to bash the guy. He's fine IMO but his PP production is lacking.
Talking about DD is bashing him. The guy is weak in 75% of what hockey is.
He's an offensive weapon that can't win puck battles, can't win faceoffs, can't play defense to save his life. No matter how we twist it... The guy is bad.

Wether we put him on the wing or trade him I don't really care. But we need him out of the C position ASAP. And if he's moved to the wing we need the other manlet gone and faster than anyone on this team.

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DD to wing is probably what will happen. Well, it may also be rotational or depend on hot streaks and cold streaks. Eller, Galchenyuk, Desharnais, Plekanec, White, Leblanc, etc... have all played C and W in the pros at one point or another. There's flexibility. Whatever is best for the team would be ideal.
And this is why I think seeing Galchenyuk on the wing for now is a good thing. Playing more than one position makes you more valuable. Nobody is too good to play on the wing, nor should lines be untouchable. The more flexibility we have the better.

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Also replying to @Et le But, unlikely small guys like Gionta, and Gallagher, DD can use his size to protect the puck well, but doesn't do well in puck battles along the boards like them, so him moving to wing is very unlikely IMO.
Place DD on the same line with Eller and say, Prust or Bourque, and that's suddenly not a problem. Call whoever center, it really doesn't matter. They are both equals on faceoffs anyway, if anything DD is slightly more consistent but Eller has potential to get better there.


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DD to wing is probably what will happen. Well, it may also be rotational or depend on hot streaks and cold streaks. Eller, Galchenyuk, Desharnais, Plekanec, White, Leblanc, etc... have all played C and W in the pros at one point or another. There's flexibility. Whatever is best for the team would be ideal.
This is the mentality we need. But sadly DD to center is not ''best for the team''.

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Oh look: another thebinne4pres and Mrb1p thread!
Who are you I didnt even post on the last DD thread

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DD to wing is probably what will happen. Well, it may also be rotational or depend on hot streaks and cold streaks. Eller, Galchenyuk, Desharnais, Plekanec, White, Leblanc, etc... have all played C and W in the pros at one point or another. There's flexibility. Whatever is best for the team would be ideal.
Don't think he every played wingat a pro level. Played centre in the AHL, and with the Habs, aside from 1 and half period vs Boston in 2011 and he got hurt...

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