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03-25-2013, 02:32 PM
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so just kinda recapping, lebrun thinks leafs would like to add a vet goalie, we all knew that but he thinks it could be kipper but there could be a dilema with that becuase if we make the playoffs, you'd like to get reimer in there, and if we have kipper he's prob playing.....they mentioned smith but he doesnt think he would be a fir for the leafs

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Clowe for sure avail
boyle/thorton in the summer maybe
One of cmac/bozak prob gone
Would be interested in kipper depending on price

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03-25-2013, 02:33 PM
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I would be fine with signing Mac. He is a good utility guy and chips in, in all 3 zones.

As for Bozak... Move him NOW sell high NOW!!!

The guy stinks and is holding back Grabo and most of all Kadri.

TBH he isn't any better than McClement.
Bozak doesn't stink. He's playing a role that's not suited for him. That's not Bozak's fault, that's mgmt.

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03-25-2013, 02:33 PM
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So, Kadri plays with Kessel? They've hardly ever played together and if that duo fails, who plays with Kessel? Colborne? McClement?
Kadri with Kessel will be a perfect match!

Kessel is a loyal guy and wants to play with best bud Bozy... Until Bozak gets moved Kadri will be held back

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03-25-2013, 02:34 PM
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So, Kadri plays with Kessel? They've hardly ever played together and if that duo fails, who plays with Kessel? Colborne? McClement?
Connolly can be brought up. JVR can also play centre.

I doubt either of them would do much worse than putting up a projected 46 points while playing with a ~PPG winger.

Stajan put up better points than Bozak did while on our 1st line, but he didn't play with Kessel. D. Moore put up similar points to Bozak while playing in our top 6 (without Kessel), and when he left he was averaging closer to 30-35. Putting a player on the top line, especially beside Kessel, means they get more points by default.

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03-25-2013, 02:34 PM
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Do people know how hard it is to get 50 point players from 2nd round?

Seriously...most 2nd round picks never see the NHL.

This place has such a bad fascination with picks.

Cry when the Leafs miss the playoffs, cry when the Leafs don't "tank" right, cry when the Leafs don't acquire players, cry when the Leafs don't sell players.

Cry Nation.

You do NOT become contenders over night.

Also, why stockpile picks when all of you armchair GM's will say "NOOOOO! We should have picked _____," then go on to criticize everything the Leafs do, and after a year make a thread about:

"Who should we have picked instead of _____?"

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03-25-2013, 02:36 PM
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Do people know how hard it is to get 50 point players from 2nd round?

Seriously...most 2nd round picks never see the NHL.

This place has such a bad fascination with picks.

Cry when the Leafs miss the playoffs, cry when the Leafs don't "tank" right, cry when the Leafs don't acquire players, cry when the Leafs don't sell players.

Cry Nation.
more like psycho nation. I love this team but nothing pisses me off more than the fanbase.

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03-25-2013, 02:37 PM
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Teams let UFAs walk every year. It happens, not the end of the world.

Playoffs > draft picks.
Teams trade their pending UFAs every year also.

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03-25-2013, 02:38 PM
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You can't see the value in having Kadri and Kessel on separate lines? You want to put them together so Chara can be on the ice for our 2 best offensive players?

Depth wins games, one line teams(Tampa Bay) go nowhere.
I think Grabo will bounce back in a top 6 role. He has proved year after year in the #2 spot he can and will produce.

Lupul on the 2nd line will also add a sniped to balance out the lines IMO.

JRV - Kadri - Kessel
MacA - Grabo - Lupul


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Bozak doesn't stink. He's playing a role that's not suited for him. That's not Bozak's fault, that's mgmt.
Bozak on a 4th line FO specialist role would be solid... He is Zigomannis 2.0 nothing more nothing less.

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03-25-2013, 02:39 PM
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lebrun thinks sjs might trade thorton this summer
Where and when did he say this?

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Teams trade their pending UFAs every year also.
Only when they completely suck ----> Douglas Murray. Brendan Morrow etc.

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We did do it once or twice!

It got us Lupul, Gardiner, Biggs, Liles, and Colborne when we sold Kaberle/Beauchemin, two guys not in the longterm plans.

But hey, selling never gets you anything! We should just hold onto everybody on our current team, because they're clearly great and all going to be part of our longterm core! ....

It's a very good draft, and selling prices are higher than they typically are. Of all the years to sell, this would be a good one. Anyways, I don't expect that Nonis will sell, too much pressure from fans/ownership to make the playoffs.
Percy, also.

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Teams trade their pending UFAs every year also.
What message does that send to the rest of the group? They are close to making this year, but lets throw in the towel because "some" fans want to trade the guy who is centering our top line and the guy who plays well in all aspects of the game....because they are pending UFA.

I for one am on the side of "winning" and not playing for draft picks.

"you play to win the game"

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03-25-2013, 02:42 PM
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Where and when did he say this?
tsn radio, about 20 mins ago.....

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Kadri with Kessel will be a perfect match!

Kessel is a loyal guy and wants to play with best bud Bozy... Until Bozak gets moved Kadri will be held back
We're gonna pin our hopes on Kadri having chemistry with Kessel even though they've never played together?

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Connolly can be brought up. JVR can also play centre.

I doubt either of them would do much worse than putting up a projected 46 points while playing with a ~PPG winger.

Stajan put up better points than Bozak did while on our 1st line, but he didn't play with Kessel. D. Moore put up similar points to Bozak while playing in our top 6 (without Kessel), and when he left he was averaging closer to 30-35. Putting a player on the top line, especially beside Kessel, means they get more points by default.
I highly doubt Connolly gets called up this year and even if he did, he hasn't gotten 40 points in 3 years. Also, JVR has never played centre in the NHL.

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03-25-2013, 02:45 PM
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What message does that send to the rest of the group? They are close to making this year, but lets throw in the towel because "some" fans want to trade the guy who is centering our top line and the guy who plays well in all aspects of the game....because they are pending UFA.

I for one am on the side of "winning" and not playing for draft picks.

"you play to win the game"
Throwing in what towel? Boz, Mac are the towel?

We just finished trading away 2 players and also sent 2 players to the minors. Ones who have been part of the team all season.

What did that say to the team?, those 4 guys being shipped out?

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03-25-2013, 02:46 PM
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What message does that send to the rest of the group? They are close to making this year, but lets throw in the towel because "some" fans want to trade the guy who is centering our top line and the guy who plays well in all aspects of the game....because they are pending UFA.

I for one am on the side of "winning" and not playing for draft picks.

"you play to win the game"
I don't think you get it...

The Leafs are a better team without Bozak NOW

Kadri is a huge upgrade over Bozak in the #1 spot

Grabo has thrived in the #2 spot

McClement is an upgrade over Grabo as a 3rd line shutdown center

It's not about the picks/prospects it's about giving our team the best chance to win! AND this is without Bozak!

The picks/prospects are a bonus

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I don't think you get it...

The Leafs are a better team without him NOW

Kadri is a huge upgrade over Bozak in the #1 spot

Grabo has thrived in the #2 spot

McClement is an upgrade over Grabo as a 3rd line shutdown center

It's not about the picks/prospects it's about giving our team the best chance to win! AND this is without Bozak!
If McClement was a better option than Grabo for a 3rd line shutdown centre, why has Carlyle gone to Kadri against the other team's top lines instead of McClement?

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Throwing in what towel? Boz, Mac are the towel?

We just finished trading away 2 players and also sent 2 players to the minors. Ones who have been part of the team all season.

What did that say to the team?, those 4 guys being shipped out?
Different scenarios, What was Steckel's role again? what about Brown?

Bozak and Mac are key players on the team right now, if we trade them for picks we are a worse team after that trade. but as always, HF boards values Draft picks more than anything else.

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I don't think you get it...

The Leafs are a better team without Bozak NOW

Kadri is a huge upgrade over Bozak in the #1 spot

Grabo has thrived in the #2 spot

McClement is an upgrade over Grabo as a 3rd line shutdown center

It's not about the picks/prospects it's about giving our team the best chance to win! AND this is without Bozak!


The picks/prospects are a bonus
I don't think you get it, how old were you when you last saw the leafs play in the playoffs?

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Kadri with Kessel will be a perfect match!

Kessel is a loyal guy and wants to play with best bud Bozy... Until Bozak gets moved Kadri will be held back
Kadri has been playing upward of 20 minutes a night recently. In what world is he being held back?

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03-25-2013, 02:51 PM
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I don't think you get it, how old were you when you last saw the leafs play in the playoffs?


They have a better chance of making the playoffs without Bozak

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Couple examples of players for picks the leafs could do with extra picks
Brobovsky was traded for a 2nd and two 4ths
Bishop a 2nd

extra picks also help at the draft to move up if you identify a player you think could be a difference maker

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They have a better chance of making the playoffs without Bozak
Saying it over and over again doesn't make it any more true.

IF the leafs can get another centre to play with Kessel, then you can trade Bozak.

What happens if we trade Bozak and Grabovski gets injured. Then we are rolling McClement as our #2? What if Kadri gets injured?

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Couple examples of players for picks the leafs could do with extra picks
Brobovsky was traded for a 2nd and two 4ths
Bishop a 2nd

extra picks also help at the draft to move up if you identify a player you think could be a difference maker
And 2nd and 3rd liners help win games now and in the playoffs.

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Kadri has been playing upward of 20 minutes a night recently. In what world is he being held back?
Kadri and Grabo need more minutes as a 1-2 punch down the middle in our top6

Bozak is a 3rd/4th line grinder on any contender and IMO is not any better than McClement.

Sell high plus we have our players playing their natural positions is the key to success!

Grabo as a 3rd line shutdown center will never work.

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