HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Notices

Habs on Tradecentre Part 3 (Who do you want at the deadline/in free agency?)

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
03-25-2013, 02:52 PM
  #426
Et le But
Moderator
 
Et le But's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: New York
Country: Argentina
Posts: 17,618
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by GFORCE View Post
At this point, I trade Kaberle for anything that is offered to me. Even a conditional 7th. Gives us another amnesty buyout to re-think things this summer.
Who would we use it on though, Moen? I'd love to upgrade Gionta but I just don't see that happening, that "C" makes it difficult (one reason I don't want Gorges to get it next, but that's another story).

Et le But is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 02:55 PM
  #427
hototogisu
Global Moderator
Poked the bear!!!!!
 
hototogisu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Montreal, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 32,935
vCash: 500
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Knee View Post
I made a thread a month ago asking about the value of Engelland

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1360963

Semms like many Pens fans didn't want to trade him as he was doing a good job. Things may have changed though so i just bumped the thread to get the pulse on him.
His name came up in the Murray trade thread, apparently Shero said he plans on keeping both on the team.

hototogisu is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 02:55 PM
  #428
lamp9post
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,002
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Et le But View Post
Who would we use it on though, Moen? I'd love to upgrade Gionta but I just don't see that happening, that "C" makes it difficult (one reason I don't want Gorges to get it next, but that's another story).
We could always keep it until the summer of 2014. And if we don't end up using it, great!

lamp9post is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 02:55 PM
  #429
shutehinside
Registered User
 
shutehinside's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,336
vCash: 500
Rumors are that the Flames want a 1st, defensive prospect and a roster player for Iggy.

That being said, who would trade our 1st (late 20's), Beaulieu/Ellis and Gionta for Iggy? Who would be upset with that deal if we ended up signing Iggy to an extension for the next 2-3 years?

shutehinside is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 02:56 PM
  #430
HiggsBozon
LOLZ, keep hating
 
HiggsBozon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,001
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Et le But View Post
Who would we use it on though, Moen? I'd love to upgrade Gionta but I just don't see that happening, that "C" makes it difficult (one reason I don't want Gorges to get it next, but that's another story).
Moen has to be considered long and large. And, God forbid, but if there was a way to use our compliance buyout on a guy that is injured AND that Bourque's concussion looks very, very serious and that he's not getting any better anytime soon, you have to consider it as well. Love Bourque, was 100% against buying him out this past summer/fall, but if he's never going to be the same again... might as well spend the money elsewhere.

I still hope he comes back 100% and top-shape though.

HiggsBozon is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 02:57 PM
  #431
dreamingofdrouin*
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,677
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by shutehinside View Post
Rumors are that the Flames want a 1st, defensive prospect and a roster player for Iggy.

That being said, who would trade our 1st (late 20's), Beaulieu/Ellis and Gionta for Iggy? Who would be upset with that deal if we ended up signing Iggy to an extension for the next 2-3 years?
i would be very very upset

dreamingofdrouin* is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 02:59 PM
  #432
Quarantesix
#Galchenyuk
 
Quarantesix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Montréal
Posts: 4,502
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Et le But View Post
Who would we use it on though, Moen? I'd love to upgrade Gionta but I just don't see that happening, that "C" makes it difficult (one reason I don't want Gorges to get it next, but that's another story).
Honestly this off season I can see Gionta getting trade for a pick . We have a small top 6 and I will be shock if Desharnais or Gally are trade . If Bergevin want the team to be bigger up front Gionta is the one who will have to go.

Quarantesix is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:00 PM
  #433
Nitehowl
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: BC Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 912
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Knee View Post
Murray for 2 x 2nd ?? Good lord.....

I now hope MB just won't do anything at the deadline. Those prices are ridiculous. Imagine what will be the asking price for Iginla and Clowe ? Yeshhhh

And forget Clarkson. At this rate it's going to cost half of the farm

If anything i'd try to go after Engelland as he's probably going to be the #7-#8 on the Pens depth chart with the acquisition of Murray. Pens also have Bortozzo so Eng may be available and would fill a need here.

Copied from another thread
These are the Kings past several 2nd rounders:

2012: N/A
2011: Christopher Gibson (prospect goalie)
2010: Tyler Toffoli (Kings best prospect, tore up the AHL as a 20 year old)
2009: Kyle Clifford (young power-forward currently on the Kings)
2008: Slava Voynov (one of the best young defensemen in the NHL)
2007: Wayne Simmonds (tearing it up in Philly, a fan favorite)

Yeah, 2nd rounders are worthless

Nitehowl is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:01 PM
  #434
sandysan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 4,248
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by shutehinside View Post
Rumors are that the Flames want a 1st, defensive prospect and a roster player for Iggy.

That being said, who would trade our 1st (late 20's), Beaulieu/Ellis and Gionta for Iggy? Who would be upset with that deal if we ended up signing Iggy to an extension for the next 2-3 years?
Iggy has a NTC and the habs are not one of the teams he will waive it for. If reports are to be believed its the bruins, hawks, pens and kings.

Iginla is not the player he once was but if he would resign for two years for that package, I would consider it. But I dont think its gonna happen.

sandysan is online now  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:03 PM
  #435
wolfinhabsclothing
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 269
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by shutehinside View Post
Rumors are that the Flames want a 1st, defensive prospect and a roster player for Iggy.

That being said, who would trade our 1st (late 20's), Beaulieu/Ellis and Gionta for Iggy? Who would be upset with that deal if we ended up signing Iggy to an extension for the next 2-3 years?
Bob MacKenzie said this morning that they were asking for two prospects and a draft pick. For the Habs - and this is my speculation - it would look something like: Beaulieu, Kristo, and a 2nd. Would you do that for a 37 year old? I wouldn't.

Habs are exceeding expectations this year. MB can do some tweeking, but this isn't the team to sell the farm for a shot at the cup, when the Pens and B's are so loaded.

Stay the course; the future is bright!

wolfinhabsclothing is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:05 PM
  #436
windycity
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Well duh
Posts: 3,118
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitehowl View Post
Copied from another thread
These are the Kings past several 2nd rounders:

2012: N/A
2011: Christopher Gibson (prospect goalie)
2010: Tyler Toffoli (Kings best prospect, tore up the AHL as a 20 year old)
2009: Kyle Clifford (young power-forward currently on the Kings)
2008: Slava Voynov (one of the best young defensemen in the NHL)
2007: Wayne Simmonds (tearing it up in Philly, a fan favorite)

Yeah, 2nd rounders are worthless
don't need to go that far - a certain All-Star defensemen on the Habs was a 2nd rounder

windycity is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:07 PM
  #437
windycity
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Well duh
Posts: 3,118
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfinhabsclothing View Post
Bob MacKenzie said this morning that they were asking for two prospects and a draft pick. For the Habs - and this is my speculation - it would look something like: Beaulieu, Kristo, and a 2nd. Would you do that for a 37 year old? I wouldn't.

Habs are exceeding expectations this year. MB can do some tweeking, but this isn't the team to sell the farm for a shot at the cup, when the Pens and B's are so loaded.

Stay the course; the future is bright!
This. No overpayments, if we can fill a need for a good value, then fine but I'd rather see us do nothing then overpay. Pens can afford to overpay

windycity is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:11 PM
  #438
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 30,375
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfinhabsclothing View Post
Bob MacKenzie said this morning that they were asking for two prospects and a draft pick. For the Habs - and this is my speculation - it would look something like: Beaulieu, Kristo, and a 2nd. Would you do that for a 37 year old? I wouldn't.

Habs are exceeding expectations this year. MB can do some tweeking, but this isn't the team to sell the farm for a shot at the cup, when the Pens and B's are so loaded.

Stay the course; the future is bright!
I don't think Pittsburgh or Boston are unbeatable. The east is very wide open...but I don't think the Habs are yet a "mature" team to go all the way. They have a shot, but making an "Iginla deal" even if he was willing to waive, would cost a ton and would then put a lot of uneeded pressure on our young guys thinking this is "the year" instead of just keep doing what they are doing.

Monctonscout is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:11 PM
  #439
Crystal Met
Registered User
 
Crystal Met's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,498
vCash: 500
we are not on Iginla's list anyway

Crystal Met is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:14 PM
  #440
shutehinside
Registered User
 
shutehinside's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,336
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by sandysan View Post
Iggy has a NTC and the habs are not one of the teams he will waive it for. If reports are to be believed its the bruins, hawks, pens and kings.

Iginla is not the player he once was but if he would resign for two years for that package, I would consider it. But I dont think its gonna happen.
Players have been convinced to go to other teams than the ones they've picked in the past. It's not like the Habs are 15th in the East this year.

I doubt it's going to happen but it's always more fun when you actually throw in some names to get a reaction.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfinhabsclothing View Post
Bob MacKenzie said this morning that they were asking for two prospects and a draft pick. For the Habs - and this is my speculation - it would look something like: Beaulieu, Kristo, and a 2nd. Would you do that for a 37 year old? I wouldn't.

Habs are exceeding expectations this year. MB can do some tweeking, but this isn't the team to sell the farm for a shot at the cup, when the Pens and B's are so loaded.

Stay the course; the future is bright!
I'm not saying we should do the deal but Iginla is a top tier player, even at 37.

Add to that the multitude of picks we have in a very deep draft and the depth in our prospects and that we won't be able to fit tham all in and it could be worth it.

Diaz has been a revelation and is found money that just adds to our depth. With PK, Emelin, Gorges, Tinordi, Diaz here for the long run and hopefully Markov can take a haircut to stay, that's already 6 steady d men not including Bou who makes 7.

Ellis and Beaulieu will have some time before they can even crack the line up and the 5 core names I named above are all young. Add in Thrower and Dietz to the mix and we have even more depth. I see nothing wrong with trading one of two to get a proven player.

Same goes for our forwards. With Collberg, Kristo, Leblanc etc, they're not all going to make the club. All this is without even considering that we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds this year in what's supposed to be one of the deepest drafts.

If the cupboards were bare I wouldn't even think about it but they're far from it. If we can get a good player now or even at the draft for some prospects and picks, I'd be more than happy to do it.

shutehinside is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:15 PM
  #441
cjbhab
Go Habs Go
 
cjbhab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Regina
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,174
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crystal Met View Post
we are not on Iginla's list anyway
Nobody really knows Iginla's list.

Some "insider" just put together a list of contenders. Not rocket science.

cjbhab is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:25 PM
  #442
SnapVirus
Registered User
 
SnapVirus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Mtl., QC.
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,932
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfinhabsclothing View Post
Beaulieu, Kristo, and a 2nd. Would you do that for a 37 year old?
Absolutely. You're not winning without trying.
And you still have Ellis, Tinordi, Dietz, etc on D. And Collberg up front.

Kristo is a party animal and I dont think hell ever make the team.

SnapVirus is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:30 PM
  #443
Habsawce
Registered User
 
Habsawce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 11,821
vCash: 200
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnapVirus View Post
Absolutely. You're not winning without trying.
And you still have Ellis, Tinordi, Dietz, etc on D. And Collberg up front.

Kristo is a party animal and I dont think hell ever make the team.
Kristo will be in Hamilton next season, so we'll get to see what we have in him then.

I'm willing to wait till then before shipping him off, especially since his value most likely isn't all that high.

Habsawce is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:37 PM
  #444
Kriss E
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 22,670
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnapVirus View Post
Absolutely. You're not winning without trying.
And you still have Ellis, Tinordi, Dietz, etc on D. And Collberg up front.

Kristo is a party animal and I dont think hell ever make the team.
I wouldn't trade Beaulieu, not for Iginla, and not this year. Before making rash decisions like trading away your best defensive prospect+ for a 37yo rental, you better make sure that your team is for real.
Right now, a small trade is more likely to happen, and is the better decision.

Kriss E is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:49 PM
  #445
dackelljuneaubulis02
Registered User
 
dackelljuneaubulis02's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 2,169
vCash: 500
I'd be thrilled if we didn't trade any of our picks this year and stayed put. Iginla is tempting but he'll cost too much.

Doing good this year, in my opinion is just a bonus. This not our last chance at a cup. The real fun starts when Galchenyuk comes into his own. Gotta think long term.

dackelljuneaubulis02 is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:50 PM
  #446
ECWHSWI
P.K. is perfect.
 
ECWHSWI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 14,921
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by shutehinside View Post
Rumors are that the Flames want a 1st, defensive prospect and a roster player for Iggy.

That being said, who would trade our 1st (late 20's), Beaulieu/Ellis and Gionta for Iggy? Who would be upset with that deal if we ended up signing Iggy to an extension for the next 2-3 years?
Please tell me,(pretend you're MB) what would be the arguments you'd use to convince Gionta to waive his NTC to go from MTL to CGY ?

I really want to read that one...

ECWHSWI is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:53 PM
  #447
charlie
Registered User
 
charlie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,258
vCash: 358
I am really hopeful we dont trade any picks away. Stay the course and if we are lucky we can just dump Kaberle at the deadline.
Have some fun in the playoffs and enjoy this summers draft.

charlie is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 03:57 PM
  #448
Toastman
Registered User
 
Toastman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,592
vCash: 500
A bit OT, but if Ryder keeps playing like he has, do you think the Habs would sign him ?

Toastman is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 04:01 PM
  #449
Mario Lemieux fan 66
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 411
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toastman View Post
A bit OT, but if Ryder keeps playing like he has, do you think the Habs would sign him ?
Yes they should sign him for 1 or 2 years between 3.5 and 4 millions per year.

Mario Lemieux fan 66 is offline  
Old
03-25-2013, 04:09 PM
  #450
Talks to Goalposts
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,560
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toastman View Post
A bit OT, but if Ryder keeps playing like he has, do you think the Habs would sign him ?
Looking at who is availible, I doubt the Habs will have better options to spend money on.

Talks to Goalposts is online now  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:33 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.