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Leafs eyeing Kipper? (Kypreos: Kiprusoff will not report if traded, Post #316)

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03-25-2013, 03:47 PM
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Kiprusoff is 10 bad games removed (on the second worst defensive team in the league) from being considered a top ten goaltender in the NHL. You are not going to get him for a fringe NHL prospect in Carter Ashton.

I would prefer to keep him and let him retire as a Flame if that was the best offer on the table.

His struggles directly coincide with the abysmal defense in front of him.
If that were the case logic would dictate that no deal can be done. You also can't expect the Leafs to give something of real substance for someone they would expect to be a veteran backup. Expecting a a+ return wouldn't make sense from a Leafs perspective.

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If that were the case logic would dictate that no deal can be done. You also can't expect the Leafs to give something of real substance for someone they would expect to be a veteran backup. Expecting a a+ return wouldn't make sense from a Leafs perspective.
That is perfectly fine by me.

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Wait a second, kipper is havcing a bad year sure, but come on.

Scrivens? bozak? damigo? seriously?.

Kipper will take bare minimum a 1st round pick(prospect).

No way in hell kippers value dropped that crazy

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03-25-2013, 03:50 PM
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Scrivens and a 4th?? You are insane. The guy has 1yr left on a contract that only pays him 1.5MM in actual dollars
so you give him an extension

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03-25-2013, 03:53 PM
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Why would the Leafs want to trade for a goalie who's numbers are worse than Reimer and Scrivens this season. Nothing against Kiprusoff but he is just not the same anymore and with his age I just don't see him turning it around.
Because it's ONE season history says he's 100X better

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He's going to be 37 by the start of next season, so that's a big yes.
Do you ever think you would be able to acquire a goalie of Kippers caliber for less than you likely could right now?

I think it is foolish to judge any player over such a short sample size.

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Because it's ONE season history says he's 100X better
It's not even one "season". It's 10 GAMES during a lockout season in which he was injured for the first time in nearly a decade.

Shocking!

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If that were the case logic would dictate that no deal can be done. You also can't expect the Leafs to give something of real substance for someone they would expect to be a veteran backup. Expecting a a+ return wouldn't make sense from a Leafs perspective.
Kipper definitely wouldn't be a backup... I would expect a 52/30 type split (similar to Luongo/Schneider last year).

-Keeps Kipper fresh, gives Reimer a chance to develop properly and learn from one of the best goalies in the last 10 years.
Honestly if Reimer could become half the goalie Kipper is/was then Toronto has a bright future in net.

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It's not even one "season". It's 10 GAMES during a lockout season in which he was injured for the first time in half a decade.

Shocking!
you get that I agree with you right?

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you get that I agree with you right?
Yes, I am trying to further prove the point you are making.

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That would never get it done imo. Scrivens, MacArthur and Kostka probably don't even land you Kipper.
Um..Okay there buddy.

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Luongo Threads
- Contract is too long, we need a stopgap like Kipper.
- His value is terrible because of his contract

Kipper Thread
- Yeah we don't want to give up anything of quality
- How about an AHL caliber goalie and a 2nd.

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Um..Okay there buddy.
Well, they wouldn't.

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It's not even one "season". It's 10 GAMES during a lockout season in which he was injured for the first time in nearly a decade.

Shocking!
It would be a big gamble for the Leafs. With only 16 games to go, if he has another such "10 games" Toronto could very well miss on their elusive playoff berth.

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Why would the Leafs want to trade for a goalie who's numbers are worse than Reimer and Scrivens this season. Nothing against Kiprusoff but he is just not the same anymore and with his age I just don't see him turning it around.
Experience.


Kipper would be a good fit, But the price has to sensible.

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I wouldn't trade much for him.

Scrivens + a marginal prospect

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Luongo Threads
- Contract is too long, we need a stopgap like Kipper.
- His value is terrible because of his contract

Kipper Thread
- Yeah we don't want to give up anything of quality
- How about an AHL caliber goalie and a 2nd.
Common denominator... they're both goalies.

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Kipper definitely wouldn't be a backup... I would expect a 52/30 type split (similar to Luongo/Schneider last year).

-Keeps Kipper fresh, gives Reimer a chance to develop properly and learn from one of the best goalies in the last 10 years.
Honestly if Reimer could become half the goalie Kipper is/was then Toronto has a bright future in net.
Whether you believe Kipper still has it is irrelevant, it's the Leafs paying the price and it's stated they'd be looking for a veteran backup and it doesn't make sense to pay a top notch price for them for a guy they'd be EXPECTING to backup Reimer.

I'm not saying Kipper can't be better then he has been this season, I will admit I thought he's slowed down over the past couple of years but my view is irrelevant as well, it's about the fact that the Leafs would be looking for a certain type of player and a top flight starter isn't one of them, so they wouldn't pay premium for one.

Even for argument sake, lets say despite all reports the Leafs are looking for a top starter at this point at a premium price, Kipper isn't someone at this point in age that will be around long enough for them to be true contenders. Drop off is inevitable and Kipper is reaching that age.

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03-25-2013, 04:11 PM
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Yes, I am trying to further prove the point you are making.
OK I wasn't sure I thought we might be having a failure to communicate. I don't know about you but it blows my mind to see people say they wouldn't do Ashton and Scrivens for Kiprusoff. Personally I take that and RUN because I have a feeling we'd have some PISSED OFF Flame fans.

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Kipper has pretty much been a 1 man team for years. As a Canucks fan he has kept Calgary in more games than any other goalie.

Give him a good backup in Reimer and he should be able to put up very good numbers in a 60 game seaso
As an Oiler fan I am agreeing with a Canuck fan . Calgary would have gave us a run for last if it wasn't for Kipper . I always like Kipper and wished he was on the Oilers . We have not had a good goalie in sometime now . DD looks great at times , but he lets in too many soft goals that can kill a young team

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We could look at what we traded to Anaheim for Giguere, which is a decent comparable:

Overpaid underachieving forward (Jason Blake) with 2.5yrs left @ $4M cap hit
Overpaid underachieving goalie (Vesa Toskala) with .5yrs left @ $4M cap hit

Or, you could take our 3rd. Not sure I want to pay much more, certainly not a roster player like Bozak.

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Whether you believe Kipper still has it is irrelevant, it's the Leafs paying the price and it's stated they'd be looking for a veteran backup and it doesn't make sense to pay a top notch price for them for a guy they'd be EXPECTING to backup Reimer.

I'm not saying Kipper can't be better then he has been this season, I will admit I thought he's slowed down over the past couple of years but my view is irrelevant as well, it's about the fact that the Leafs would be looking for a certain type of player and a top flight starter isn't one of them, so they wouldn't pay premium for one.

Even for argument sake, lets say despite all reports the Leafs are looking for a top starter at this point at a premium price, Kipper isn't someone at this point in age that will be around long enough for them to be true contenders. Drop off is inevitable and Kipper is reaching that age.
Do you not Remember Belfour? he was 37 and he was up for the Vezina

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Do the Flames have any goalie prospects that are close to NHL-ready?

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Wait a second, kipper is havcing a bad year sure, but come on.

Scrivens? bozak? damigo? seriously?.

Kipper will take bare minimum a 1st round pick(prospect).

No way in hell kippers value dropped that crazy
LOL Are you nuts.

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Do the Flames have any goalie prospects that are close to NHL-ready?
Kari Ramo will be 27 soon and doing well in Europe.

Jon Gillies and Laurent Brossoit are 4+ years away.

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