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03-25-2013, 04:36 PM
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Is the health factor in regards to Kipper?
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03-25-2013, 04:37 PM
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It doesnt; not one bit. Clearly some here are more excited about getting picks that may or may not pan out in 4 years than making the playoffs.
Some here are to shortsighted and desperate to make the playoffs.

The goal is to build this team up to being a perennial contender not to just get into the playoffs.

Bozak and CMac aren't difference makers and aren't part of the future of this team (unless they take big hometown discounts). Trade them off at a high point then replace relatively easily in the summer.

In future years we can be buyers (even as early as next year) but now isn't the time to go losing assets for nothing at the end of the year.

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03-25-2013, 04:38 PM
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Deals to be made in the deadline or summer + 2013 summer UFA signings:

To COL
Tyler Bozak
Clarke MacArthur
Joe Colborne
Conditional 2013 3rd round pick

To TOR
Paul Statsny
2013 2nd round pick

To ANA
Mikael Grabovski
Matt Frattin
Carl Gunnerson
2014 2nd round pick

To TOR:
Bobby Ryan
2014 3rd round pick

To XXX
John-Michael Liles

To TOR
xxx pick

Sign David Clarkson to 4.0-4.75M x 5 years
Sign Rob Scuderi to 3.5-4.2M x 5 years
Sign Matt Hendricks to 1-1.5M x 3 years
Sign Ryan Whitney to 3.75-4.2M x 3 years
Resign: Kadri, Komarov, Fraser, Franson
BUYOUT: Komisarek

*********2013-2014 Toronto Maple Leafs Roster************

Lupul-Statsny-Kessel
Van Reimsdyk-Kadri-Ryan
Kulemin-McClement-Clarkson
Hendricks-Komarov-McClaren/Orr
Call ups: Biggs, D'Amigo, Hamilton,

Phaneuf-Scuderi
Gardiner-Whitney
Fraser-Franson
SCRATCH: Ranger, Kostka
Call ups: Rielly, Holzer, Blacker, Percy

Reimer
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03-25-2013, 04:39 PM
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Based on your sample size of 7 draft seasons which is 210 second round draft picks. You listed 23 players that you find notable.


Sooo, you're saying we have an 11% chance of getting one of those players in the second round? Wow some great chances right there.
11%!? We have a chance!!

Trade Kessel to the team with most 2nds this year.

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03-25-2013, 04:41 PM
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Also, who picks up the 2:00 mins per game that Bozak contributes to the 5th best PK in the league? Who takes the majority of the faceoffs and gives us a 54%?
McClement/Kulemin

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03-25-2013, 04:41 PM
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Take it for what it is worth as per usual gents, but it sounds as if Paul Stastny's injury wont exactly be of the brightest outcomes for him or any team interested.

With that said, we may see the Leafs hold off on moving assets until the official press release of Paul's injury extent as some of those potential assets that Sherman may have or may not have been interested in could be used elsewhere.

Allegedly, or rumor has it that Derek Roy is a very real possibility and that Mikka Kipprusoff is also a very realistic possibility if he comes with a clean bill of health.

The fact that health may be a necessity may scare off a lot of teams considering that is very much a question mark at this point.
Is/was Stastny Plan A before his injury?

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03-25-2013, 04:42 PM
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Deals to be made in the deadline or summer + 2013 summer UFA signings:

To COL
Tyler Bozak
Clarke MacArthur
Joe Colborne
Conditional 2013 3rd round pick

To TOR
Paul Statsny
2013 2nd round pick

To ANA
Mikael Grabovski
Matt Frattin
Carl Gunnerson
2014 2nd round pick

To TOR:
Bobby Ryan
2014 3rd round pick

To XXX
John-Michael Liles

To TOR
xxx pick

Sign David Clarkson to 4.0-4.75M x 5 years
Sign Rob Scuderi to 3.5-4.2M x 5 years
Sign Matt Hendricks to 1-1.5M x 3 years
Sign Ryan Whitney to 3.75-4.2M x 3 years
Resign: Kadri, Komarov, Fraser, Franson
BUYOUT: Komisarek

*********2013-2014 Toronto Maple Leafs Roster************

Lupul-Statsny-Kessel
Van Reimsdyk-Kadri-Ryan
Kulemin-McClement-Clarkson
Hendricks-Komarov-McClaren/Orr
Call ups: Biggs, D'Amigo, Hamilton,

Phaneuf-Scuderi
Gardiner-Whitney
Fraser-Franson
SCRATCH: Ranger, Kostka
Call ups: Rielly, Holzer, Blacker, Percy

Reimer
Scrivens
How often does that much turnover happen in one off-season?

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McClement/Kulemin
They are already apart of the PK rotation, it would have to be someone else. Try again.

The only forwards used on the PK are McClement, Bozak,Kulemin, Komarov and JVR. That's just 2 centres, if you remove Bozak you need another good penalty killing centre. Grabovski has shown during his years on the worst PK in the league that he is not that centre and Carlyle clearly doesn't trust him on the PK.

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03-25-2013, 04:43 PM
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here's the problem with acquiring a veteran goalie like Kipper: you're putting extra and unnecessary pressure on Reimer. One bad game and everyone will be calling for Kipper to take over. It's a fragile situation with our young goaltenders. Both Reimer and Scrivens have played reasonably well. I may just leave it that way.

Where the Leafs should be adding is the defense group. A top 4 defenseman, preferably right-handed, who can log a ton of minutes, play a physical style and yet still have a good degree of mobility. I don't like what i've seen from Gunnarsson so far. Liles is now hurt. And Gardiner can make costly mistakes. We need some stability back there

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03-25-2013, 04:45 PM
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Now name the 200 players drafted in the 2nd round who haven't made a significant impact in the NHL.
Exactly. 25% of 2nd rounders carve out NHL careers, based on 200 NHL games played.

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Take it for what it is worth as per usual gents, but it sounds as if Paul Stastny's injury wont exactly be of the brightest outcomes for him or any team interested.

With that said, we may see the Leafs hold off on moving assets until the official press release of Paul's injury extent as some of those potential assets that Sherman may have or may not have been interested in could be used elsewhere.

Allegedly, or rumor has it that Derek Roy is a very real possibility and that Mikka Kipprusoff is also a very realistic possibility if he comes with a clean bill of health.

The fact that health may be a necessity may scare off a lot of teams considering that is very much a question mark at this point.
Damn I wanted Staz and heard his time was up from other avs fan (not HFboards one who praise him like god, I love him there too folks don't kill me!)

I'm not sure about roy though...

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03-25-2013, 04:47 PM
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Based on your sample size of 7 draft seasons which is 210 second round draft picks. You listed 23 players that you find notable.


Sooo, you're saying we have an 11% chance of getting one of those players in the second round? Wow some great chances right there.
It's greater than 11%.

Chance of becoming a top end team if you don't find a homerun or at least a couple triples outside of the 1st round almost 0% whether it was Nashville with Weber, Boston with Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand, Lucic, Pittsbrugh with Gologoski, Letang, Chicago with to many players to list, Vancouver with Edler, Hansen,

This season isn't a make or break year for the Leafs to make the playoffs.

The actual on difference in points in the standing that Bozak and CMac make is minimal.

Now isn't the time to be shortsighted. That is what got this franchise is so much trouble in the 1st place.

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Based on your sample size of 7 draft seasons which is 210 second round draft picks. You listed 23 players that you find notable.


Sooo, you're saying we have an 11% chance of getting one of those players in the second round? Wow some great chances right there.
Gimme a damn break, i just listed the super star, all star ,above average players.

The list would be much longer if i listed all players getting regular minutes.

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03-25-2013, 04:49 PM
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Damn I wanted Staz and heard his time was up from other avs fan (not HFboards one who praise him like god, I love him there too folks don't kill me!)

I'm not sure about roy though...
F#*K - Roy, Bozak and Statsny

We have Kadri

Unless we can add an ELITE center like Backstrom for Grabo ++ i'm good with rolling Kadri - Grabo 1-2 punch down the middle in our top 6.

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Gimme a damn break, i just listed the super star, all star ,above average players.

The list would be much longer if i listed all players getting regular minutes.
Just like the players you'd want to trade?

Trade Bozak and MacArthur for a player, who, if he even makes the NHL, might be as good as they are in 4-5 years?

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03-25-2013, 04:51 PM
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It's greater than 11%.

Chance of becoming a top end team if you don't find a homerun or at least a couple triples outside of the 1st round almost 0% whether it was Nashville with Weber, Boston with Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand, Lucic, Pittsbrugh with Gologoski, Letang, Chicago with to many players to list, Vancouver with Edler, Hansen,

This season isn't a make or break year for the Leafs to make the playoffs.

The actual on difference in points in the standing that Bozak and CMac make is minimal.

Now isn't the time to be shortsighted. That is what got this franchise is so much trouble in the 1st place.
Trying to make the Playoffs isn't short sighted, it's what Teams do.

What are you basing the bolded part on?

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Well with the deadline approaching its time for the great buyer/seller debate.

Personally I hope the Leafs are minor buyers. I could see them targeting a veteran right handed D and mostly a veteran backup goalie.

I wonder if Stephane Robidas from Dallas might be worth a look?

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Well with the deadline approaching its time for the great buyer/seller debate.

Personally I hope the Leafs are minor buyers. I could see them targeting a veteran right handed D and mostly a veteran backup goalie.

I wonder if Stephane Robidas from Dallas might be worth a look?


imo, this is the guy who the Leafs should be targeting

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We need a veteran backup. If Reimer faulters in the playoffs... can we count on Scrivens to take us 4 rounds?

I still think we need to look at Kipper, or Miller. However, that is unrealistic

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Just like the players you'd want to trade?

Trade Bozak and MacArthur for a player, who, if he even makes the NHL, might be as good as they are in 4-5 years?
Brilliant logic isn't it?

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You lads should be doing an article on the great debate.

Are the Leafs as an organization in an position to be letting UFAs like Mac and Bozak walk for nothing.

I always though that was only done by cash strapped teams and ones that had a real shot at the cup.

Dallas who really could use the PO money just moved their Captain, a pending UFA.

SJ a team who's time as a contender is ticking away, just moved a UFA.

Neither team brought back anything that can help them now.

And arguments as to why we should not move ours, could easily be applied to those two teams also.
The only way the Leafs let Mac and Bozak walk for nothing at the end of the season is that they feel they can get or have an upgrade (taking into account performance and price). Either way having them around for the playoffs is valuable. Also keep in mind Murray was an extra piece for San Jose with Demers, Irwin and Braun as well as Burns playing forward. Just curious, when do teams heading for the playoffs trade away pending UFAs? If anything, I would think they tend to acquire more.

Its going to be a tight race. Hopefully the Leafs can hold 6th or jump to 5th even, but I'd easily settle for a playoff apperance at this point.

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Just like the players you'd want to trade?

Trade Bozak and MacArthur for a player, who, if he even makes the NHL, might be as good as they are in 4-5 years?
As long as they are UFAs they are being viewed as players that will do nothing for us .


Starting as early as next season.

Who says i'm banking on those picks as turning into anything?

I'm happy using them as currency to move up in the draft.

Currency in a trade for a player.

It's not my fault that you only have the foresight to see those picks only hold value if you make the right pick.

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Brilliant logic isn't it?
Newy AND Wilson are clueless and posters on HF boards are in the know.



What does it matter if they walk for nothing... Then there won't be a player in the pipeline... Just nothing... I'm all for keeping MacA and resigning him though


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Just like the players you'd want to trade?

Trade Bozak and MacArthur for a player, who, if he even makes the NHL, might be as good as they are in 4-5 years?
Those players may in fact get moved but only if there is an upgrade replacing them.

Dumping players for picks isn't going to happen, silly to think it might(that's putting it mildly).

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As long as they are UFAs they are being viewed as players that will do nothing for us .


Starting as early as next season.

Who says i'm banking on those picks as turning into anything?

I'm happy using them as currency to move up in the draft.

Currency in a trade for a player.
Im viewing them as guys who will help us make the playoffs

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