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03-25-2013, 05:33 PM
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The worst year of his career.

But yes let's move Kane back to C in the middle of one of his best years to get an aging player we don't really need instead of trading those same asserts to acquire the C we actually do need. Brilliant idea.
Yes it was and most of his poor performances came later after Q moved him back to wing. He started out hot, playing center, but fizzled as did the whole team. I doubt the position he was playing was a factor at all. I think he had a lingering problem with his wrist personally. It just wasn't made public, but I think he may have aggravated it sometime early in the season.

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Didn't we have an Iginla trade thread last year?

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NO!

It failed last year and this year he is having one of the best years of his career so you want to mess with that?

You know the definition of insanity?
Kane's coldest times last year were when he was at wing, not center.

25GP, 7g, 17a, 24p, +9 in his first stints as a pivot from October to November 29th (.96 PPG)

35GP, 6g, 19a, 25p, +4 when he was a winger from December 2 to February 19 (.714 PPG)

22GP, 10g, 7a, 17p, -6 in his last games played as a center after February 19 (.772 PPG)

Altogether, that's
47GP, 17g, 24a, 41p, +3 as a center vs. 35GP, 6g, 19a, 25p, +4 as a wing.

So offensively, Kane did pretty well in the middle. Kane was also playing center when he turned Daniel Carcillo into a half-decent-looking 2nd line LW. And when push came to shove and Toews was out, it was Kane's play as a pivot that got us through the stretch.

His biggest faults were his faceoffs and his defensive play. With Iginla taking his faceoffs, half the problem instantly disappears. As for defense, not only has Kane looked better in his own zone this season, but Sharp and Iggy aren't exactly slouches in their own zone either. Then you can move Bolland into his more natural 3C spot, and that's arguably the best forward corps in the league top to bottom, assuming Malkin doesn't come back and tilt the scales.

And with the way Kane is playing this season now, I seriously think only some kind of insidious Lovecraftian evil (like Raffi Torres) could stop him.

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03-25-2013, 06:23 PM
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Would do Sharp + McNeil or Olsen for an extended Iginla.

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Would do Sharp + McNeil or Olsen for an extended Iginla.
Sharp + McNeil could get us a lot better than an end of the line Iginla

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03-25-2013, 06:50 PM
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Would do Sharp + McNeil or Olsen for an extended Iginla.
Sharp > Iginla at this point despite his struggles

Also has NMC so he wont waive to leave 1st place team in NHL and go to a team on downward spiral

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03-25-2013, 06:52 PM
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why are people talking about playing a guy who's old and played wing his whole career to center? if you can't make a move for a 2c then don't blow any real assets to get a guy just for the sake of making a move. don't like the iginla idea at all and really don't think its more than a marginal improvement once sharp is back. and seeing him play a bunch this year, i don't think he's got much left, and I'd be more interested in glencross or maybe even stajan if were talking to the flames.
We arent talking about trading for Iginla to put him at C. We were saying we would rather put him at C than Kane. Aka, not wanting Kane to play C.

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@JSportsnet: Re: Jarome Iginla...have been told Blackhawks are asking a lot of hockey people if the Flames' Captain has anything left.#tradetracker

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TSN is discussing it right now. They confirmed the 4 teams he's agreed to get traded to LA, Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago.

Bob McKenzie said Boston was the most motivated right now to get him. Calgary is looking for a prime prospect, a first round prospect, and another prospect.

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03-25-2013, 06:59 PM
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TSN is discussing it right now. They confirmed the 4 teams he's agreed to get traded to LA, Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago.

Bob McKenzie said Boston was the most motivated right now to get him. Calgary is looking for a prime prospect, a first round prospect, and another prospect.
Saad is the only guy that would stay put
I'm OK with letting go of anyone/thing else

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03-25-2013, 07:01 PM
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@JSportsnet: Re: Jarome Iginla...have been told Blackhawks are asking a lot of hockey people if the Flames' Captain has anything left.#tradetracker
Valid question

Having his worst season in longtime and has been playing poorly over last 9 games

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Yes it was and most of his poor performances came later after Q moved him back to wing. He started out hot, playing center, but fizzled as did the whole team. I doubt the position he was playing was a factor at all. I think he had a lingering problem with his wrist personally. It just wasn't made public, but I think he may have aggravated it sometime early in the season.
His 2 best years are when he played on the wing the whole year. He is a winger, period. Quit trying to force him into a position he doesn't play.

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Sharp > Iginla at this point despite his struggles
Wow. Just wow. I respect your opinion but even at this age I'd give up two sharp's for Iginla, and wouldn't think twice about it.

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Saad is the only guy that would stay put
I'm OK with letting go of anyone/thing else
Why?

Iginla is not the dominant player he once was and would only be a rental

The price is too steep for Hawks to get involved in foolish bidding war at this point

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TSN is discussing it right now. They confirmed the 4 teams he's agreed to get traded to LA, Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago.

Bob McKenzie said Boston was the most motivated right now to get him. Calgary is looking for a prime prospect, a first round prospect, and another prospect.
Boston doesn't have much in the way of prospects, LA doesnt have a whole lot either. Pittsburgh is probably out after adding Morrow.

Chicago could offer McNeill, 1st, Olsen for Iginla, and a 3rd..but I wouldn't be thrilled with it.

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Boston doesn't have much in the way of prospects, LA doesnt have a whole lot either. Pittsburgh is probably out after adding Morrow.

Chicago could offer McNeill, 1st, Olsen for Iginla, and a 3rd..but I wouldn't be thrilled with it.
They want Saad/TT type prospect not McNeill type

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Wow. Just wow. I respect your opinion but even at this age I'd give up two sharp's for Iginla, and wouldn't think twice about it.
could not disagree more. even with his semi-struggles this year Sharp>iginla at this point.

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Would do Sharp + McNeil or Olsen for an extended Iginla.
Sharp is better then Iginla, then you want to add McNeill too?

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They want Saad/TT type prospect not McNeill type
Neither BOS nor LA have those type of prospects, MCNeill is about as good as what they have. Calgary isn't getting a TT nor a Danault from them, so they will take what they can get, or get nothing.

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LA has trump card

Young NHL goalie (Bernier)

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Sharp is better then Iginla, then you want to add McNeill too?
I'm honestly not a huge fan of any of the four players, but Iginla is clearly better than Patrick Sharp.

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I'm honestly not a huge fan of any of the four players, but Iginla is clearly better than Patrick Sharp.
5 years ago sure, not now. Sharp is just as good a scorer and is a better two-way player.

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I'm honestly not a huge fan of any of the four players, but Iginla is clearly better than Patrick Sharp.
Iginla isn't near as bad as people are labeling him to be, but he is no longer better than Sharp.
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True, but I don't think they part with him for Iggy. And they wouldn't be getting a 1st along with him

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Iginla is still better than Sharp IMO. He might not have the value of Sharp, since Sharp is younger...but give me Iginla anyday for 1 year. Maybe I just forgot what a good Sharp looks like. Even with Iginla's age I think he is more of a threat and better with the puck.

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Iginla is still better than Sharp IMO. He might not have the value of Sharp, since Sharp is younger...but give me Iginla anyday for 1 year. Maybe I just forgot what a good Sharp looks like. Even with Iginla's age I think he is more of a threat and better with the puck.
If they want to deal Sharp - and I'm not opposed to them doing that - they can put together a deal for someone better than Iginla...especially if they're willing to deal Pirri or McNeill.

I don't see Iginla as an upgrade over Sharp...esp. given his age.

In general, while Iginla's a nice player to have he doesn't fill a pressing need. If they want a top 6 player they should try to find another centre.

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