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03-25-2013, 10:39 PM
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Let's Talk About 2c

Let's talk about 2c. I don't think we're any better off than we were a year ago...I just think we're playing well enough that the hole isn't as apparent...and this board isn't quite as whiney (yet).

Bolland = not the solution.
Teravainen = at a minimum, another year away...and according to our Finnish friends is still projecting as a wing.
Sharp = who knows why, but it looks like he's never going to play there again
Prospects = who knows whether Danault, McNeil, or Pirri can do it or what the timing is (or what we'll do until one of them is ready)
Getzlaf = that discussion won't be happening anymore.

Honestly, I think our ideal solution is Krejci...but as others have yelled at me enough, Boston is a bad trading partner.

So, what to do? ... are we destined to complain forever?

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Bolland is a #3 center. It's as simple as that. He's also a year away from UFA status, where he'll want a raise, as you already pointed out. I think the best solution is to package him for a legit #2 center. Kruger is the new shutdown center. He's not as effective as Bolland yet, or maybe he won't be at all, but he's the guy.

Bozak
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Somebody has to be available at the right price.

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Krejci would be fine. Is there some news out there that I'm unaware of that Boston is willing to trade him?

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Ribeiro, still unsigned, make them a strong offer. I agree, it is the same team with the same holes. They've played much better but still need help. Injuries happen. They need to be deep.

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Krejci would be fine. Is there some news out there that I'm unaware of that Boston is willing to trade him?
According to Bruins fans, yes. They want Sharp, though.

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That's aiming too high. Look at non-playoff teams.

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According to Bruins fans, yes. They want Sharp, though.
Done. I'll drive Sharp to the airport.

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Ribeiro, still unsigned, make them a strong offer. I agree, it is the same team with the same holes. They've played much better but still need help. Injuries happen. They need to be deep.
Not that I'm saying no to Ribs, but just figured I'd mention

Friedman wrote today that wherever Ribeiro goes, he doesn't want to be a rental.

Trying to stay in one place for his kids' sake.

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Bolland is a #3 center. It's as simple as that. He's also a year away from UFA status, where he'll want a raise, as you already pointed out. I think the best solution is to package him for a legit #2 center. Kruger is the new shutdown center. He's not as effective as Bolland yet, or maybe he won't be at all, but he's the guy.

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Somebody has to be available at the right price.
Stay far away from Bozak. If the only other option was Bozak, I'd take Grabovski's noxious contract before I'd take Bozak.

Bozak's ended up overrated b/c the Leafs' depth at centre is minor-midget level.

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Krejci would be fine. Is there some news out there that I'm unaware of that Boston is willing to trade him?
No...it's just that Krejci is the guy I like to weave into every 2c scenario on the team

As has been pointed out by others, Chicago/Boston aren't good trade partners re: Krejci b/c they're both winning teams...and from what the Boston fans have said - if they traded him at this point, it would be to upgrade...while for us he'd be the upgrade.

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I'd suggest Weiss, but he's injured.

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While we are looking at a 2C I would like to give a serious look at goaltending or defense either or. Watching the team tonight was just irritating. Crow letting in a couple of soft goals and our defense was horrible and can somebody please tell me why in the hell Kane refuses to check somebody?

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can somebody please tell me why in the hell Kane refuses to check somebody?
I know, right? That's almost as annoying as Bollig not scoring goals.

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While we are looking at a 2C I would like to give a serious look at goaltending or defense either or. Watching the team tonight was just irritating. Crow letting in a couple of soft goals and our defense was horrible and can somebody please tell me why in the hell Kane refuses to check somebody?
Well, for an actual answer, that isn't Kane's game. But, to antagonize, he did hit Scuderi tonight.

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Hitting is just not a big part of Kane's game. His defensive game has improved, and I think he's like 7th in the league in takeaways. As long as he continues to forecheck and backcheck, then I could care less how often he hits people

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Why not Patrick Sharp stop being a ***** and return to the C when he's off the IR.

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Well, for an actual answer, that isn't Kane's game. But, to antagonize, he did hit Scuderi tonight.
Point taken.

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Why not Patrick Sharp stop being a ***** and return to the C when he's off the IR.
I have wondered why he isn't on the C anymore

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While we are looking at a 2C I would like to give a serious look at goaltending or defense either or. Watching the team tonight was just irritating. Crow letting in a couple of soft goals and our defense was horrible and can somebody please tell me why in the hell Kane refuses to check somebody?
One irritating game doesn't mean they need to make moves for a new goalie or bring in any dmen. Crawford and Emery have exceeded expectations this year, and our D is one of the deepest in the league. Oduya and Hammer have been solid. And Leddy would be a second pairing dman on a lot of other teams.

But 2C is a a legitimate concern. Bolland is a lot more effective at 3C IMO

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While we are looking at a 2C I would like to give a serious look at goaltending or defense either or. Watching the team tonight was just irritating. Crow letting in a couple of soft goals and our defense was horrible and can somebody please tell me why in the hell Kane refuses to check somebody?
Sample size. Guys have bad games, but clearly 2C is the biggest hole and we've seen it all year.
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Why not Patrick Sharp stop being a ***** and return to the C when he's off the IR.


Cuz Sharp makes the lineup

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Cuz Sharp makes the lineup
Oh, c'mon...We know very well that the reason Sharp is not playing C is because he's *****ed to Q about doing it. I wish Q would say **** that and put him back there like he did in 2010. It worked.

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While we are looking at a 2C I would like to give a serious look at goaltending or defense either or. Watching the team tonight was just irritating. Crow letting in a couple of soft goals and our defense was horrible and can somebody please tell me why in the hell Kane refuses to check somebody?
Give me a break - Kane's not a tall guy and he's not a heavy guy...I'm not dying to see him try to lay guys out. He'd probably end up with a shoulder injury or something.

Kane has his specific type of game - and he plays that game at the most elite level in the league.

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Oh, c'mon...We know very well that the reason Sharp is not playing C is because he's *****ed to Q about doing it. I wish Q would say **** that and put him back there like he did in 2010. It worked.
We all don't know that. It's never been proven, it's all speculation.

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We all don't know that. It's never been proven, it's all speculation.
okay...what is your own theory?

honestly, Larmer has stated what my own guess has always been.

If Sharp can't/won't move off wing...i have a problem with his age + contract + recent performance.

I would not ever agree to Hossa being put into play for anything. Even with injury issues he's still one of our post valuable players. Kane, Toews are going no where - and will end up creating a massive crash on our cap.

We've seen the signings for Getzlaf, Perry, and Semin this year.

Kane/Toews expire at the end of '15 (meaning the Hawks will probably sign them summer '14).

to give you a preview of the upward pressure on their contracts - here are the guys who are UFAs in '14 http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents?y...1&fa_type_id=2

the guys on that list will just drive up the $ that Kane/Toews get...which is fine; those two deserve to get paid.

...but the reality of the $ shouldn't be ignored when we look at the other salary we currently have

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Not that I'm saying no to Ribs, but just figured I'd mention

Friedman wrote today that wherever Ribeiro goes, he doesn't want to be a rental.

Trying to stay in one place for his kids' sake.
He simply isn't getting that until July 1st (or whatever day they picked for this year) and surely knows that. Our interest is only for the rest of the season anyway.

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I have wondered why he isn't on the C anymore
Because he's lost defensively at center.

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