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03-25-2013, 10:22 PM
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And I'm done with this thread.

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03-25-2013, 10:23 PM
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Honestly, I'd rather have Kruger as the #2 center than Bolland. At least he's a try-hard.
Same.

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03-25-2013, 10:28 PM
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Honestly, I'd rather have Kruger as the #2 center than Bolland. At least he's a try-hard.
Same here.

Especially if we could get an upgrade in the top 6. I could live with an Iginla-Kruger-Kane line.

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03-25-2013, 10:29 PM
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He's a great third liner being asked to do more then he is capable of.

He's at his best offensively and defensively against the other teams top players. It just is what it is.

We NEED a second line center in the worst way. Then Bolland can play where he belongs and be much more effective.

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03-25-2013, 10:31 PM
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Bolland is really good at being a 3c...he's probably one of the best 3c's in the NHL...but I don't see him as being effective as more than that. He's also going into his final season with a $3.75m...and, no doubt, will want a raise (and could get one as a UFA).

He's not a guy that I would want to re-sign...b/c I think that Danault and McNeill easily project to be an upgrade over Bolland - and both have a higher upside. Pirri probably does as well (re 3c...don't know if his realistic ceiling is much greater...but someone who watches Rockford me than i do can comment).

While it's true that Danault, McNeill, and Pirri are untested...given that Bolland is a bit over a year from being a UFA I'd rather take a leap of faith w/ one of our prospects (and have Shaw as a 3c if no one else is ready to go in the immediate future) than sign Bolland to a long term deal.

We continue to have a hole at 2c...and if those who have seen a lot of Teravainen are to be believed...he's going to be at his most elite if he's left at wing.

...so we simply have to find a solution there...and trying to package out Bolland while we still can (meaning not in his final year of his contract) is a good way to do it.

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03-25-2013, 10:32 PM
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Bolland had a weird year last year. He scored a lot on the weak PP, but while he played nasty minutes only managed 22 ES pts. It was a “yeah, but…” type of year either way.

This year he’s just a non-factor. He’s not making plays and not shutting anyone down. He's just out there. I suspect that the hawks wanted to give him enough time to make it work, but I think we’ve reached the point where we say with some certainty that he’s not the answer at 2C. (And remember Bolland struggled in the 2C role in 2010 and before opting for back surgery.)

One way or another they have to try someone else.

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03-25-2013, 10:47 PM
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Dave Bolland sucks the life on any offensive line right now. Either flip-flop Kruger/Bolland on the second/fourth lines or pray that Danault is the white knight in shining armor come April/May.

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03-25-2013, 10:51 PM
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I agree with trying Kruger there. And move Bolland back to where he is not playing against top D men and he can kick ass on the third line and everyone can sing his playoff praises. I want the guy to succeed and third line C is where that is at.

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03-25-2013, 10:59 PM
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I've said it since forever: NOT a 2nd line center. PERIOD. This is a failure in progress. Go trade for a real 2C NOW.

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03-25-2013, 11:00 PM
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I agree with trying Kruger there. And move Bolland back to where he is not playing against top D men and he can kick ass on the third line and everyone can sing his playoff praises. I want the guy to succeed and third line C is where that is at.
Really? Is that the permanent solution we are looking for?

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03-25-2013, 11:01 PM
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I've said it since forever: NOT a 2nd line center. PERIOD. This is a failure in progress. Go trade for a real 2C NOW.
You can't just get a 2nd line center because you want one

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I'd rather Pirri get a shot at 2C and Bolland at 4C.
This is what I'd like to have happen. Pirri can't be in Rockford for much longer. Bolland is a decent guy for a checking line. He's horrible at face-offs, so he should not be in the top 6.

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03-25-2013, 11:03 PM
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You can't just get a 2nd line center because you want one
We're going on 3 full seasons without one. It would be nice to address the issue at some point.

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03-25-2013, 11:09 PM
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Go get Iginla...hate to say it but move Kane back to C

Saad-Toews-Hossa
Sharp-Kane-Iginla (Iginla takes draws)
Bickell-Bolland-Shaw
Stalberg-Kruger-Frolik
Carcillo, Mayers

Wingers are interchangeable on 3rd/4th lines

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You can't just get a 2nd line center because you want one
Actually it isn't that hard in a few weeks

" Hey Patrick (Sharp) get your ### back into #2 C role"

There I have solved the Hawks #2 C issue without giving up a pick or prospect

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03-25-2013, 11:24 PM
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Go get Iginla...hate to say it but move Kane back to C

Saad-Toews-Hossa
Sharp-Kane-Iginla (Iginla takes draws)
Bickell-Bolland-Shaw
Stalberg-Kruger-Frolik
Carcillo, Mayers

Wingers are interchangeable on 3rd/4th lines
Kane shouldn't move from RW back to C.
Sharp-Toews-Hossa
Iginla-Kruger-Kane
Saad-Bolland-Stalberg
Bickell-Shaw-Frolik

I messed that one up.

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03-25-2013, 11:26 PM
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Kane shouldn't move from RW back to C.
Sharp-Toews-Hossa
Iginla-Kruger-Kane
Saad-Bolland-Frolik
Bickell-Shaw-Carcillo.
If Carcillo ever plays over Stalberg, please kill me.

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03-25-2013, 11:29 PM
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If Carcillo ever plays over Stalberg, please kill me.
I messed that one up.

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03-25-2013, 11:30 PM
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Kane shouldn't move from RW back to C.
Sharp-Toews-Hossa
Iginla-Kruger-Kane
Saad-Bolland-Stalberg
Bickell-Shaw-Frolik

I messed that one up.
Kruger is as much of an offensive black hole as Bolland.

Sharp-Kane-Iginla

Even if there is no "true" center on that line, are you telling me that line wouldn't produce offensively?

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03-25-2013, 11:31 PM
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Kruger is as much of an offensive black hole as Bolland
At least he has effort. Bolland has been a ghost.

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03-25-2013, 11:33 PM
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At least he has effort. Bolland has been a ghost.
Very true

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That line would be all ****ed. Iginla would take draws, Sharp would play the position, and Kane would control the puck. Center by committee.

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That line would be all ****ed. Iginla would take draws, Sharp would play the position, and Kane would control the puck. Center by committee.
So?

If Carcillo-Kane-Hossa worked, why couldn't Sharp-Kane-Iginla work? LOL!

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Kruger is as much of an offensive black hole as Bolland.

Sharp-Kane-Iginla

Even if there is no "true" center on that line, are you telling me that line wouldn't produce offensively?
I don't like the idea of moving a Hart candidate from his position. I thought Kaner played well at C last season, but he's much better at RW. I don't want to mess with the mojo he's bringing this year.

I feel like Saad could do well on the 3rd line. A player who's playing well on the 1st line, but not racking up tons of points. His game would improve an already strong 3rd line.

Kruger as 2nd line C isn't ideal, but there's no guarantee a 2nd line C that fits our needs is available.

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You can never have too many centers. Hawks should get another one regardless of Bolland's play.

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