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03-25-2013, 10:18 PM
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Anyone around for a while?

I am gonna sleep and I am after tony

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I'll be around. I'll also update the OP before going to bed if nobody else has before then.

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03-25-2013, 10:34 PM
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...meant to say wasn't guaranteed an all-star birth
I hate to be a dick about it but it's the 4th or 5th time I've seen it now....it's berth....only my kids were all-star births....

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03-25-2013, 10:37 PM
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Perhaps we should have voting on the 5 best value picks and 5 worst value picks of the ATD (since we'll have all-star voting anyways, eh?) and have that info included at the start of next year's draft, as a head's up. Otherwise, some may argue next year: "He dropped to me, was drafted last year, so I got him."
Sounds like a good idea actually, as long as the arguments for or against are valid.....this place needs more argumen.....er, debates.

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03-26-2013, 12:42 AM
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Tony is skipped. BC picks Bruce Boudreau, Coach.


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Tony couldnt find anyone to take a list?

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03-26-2013, 04:19 AM
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Yeah, I couldn't find anyone to take my list but I'm here now and will make a pick within the next hr. Oh and Murphy and gmm weren't skipped they selected Dick Redmond (D)

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The Blades round out their team with Defenseman Dave Langevin at Pick 784 of the 2013 ATD.



Langevin quite often was an unheralded part of the Islander's dynasty. He was an agressive defenseman and should do the same coming off the bench, if need be, for the Blades.

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03-26-2013, 07:03 AM
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Dallas will round out the bench with a native of Edmonton, Alberta ... D Darryl Sydor

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Dallas will round out the bench with a native of Edmonton, Alberta ... D Darryl Sydor
Oh good pick he was solid.

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I think it's still wacky. We're comparing a secondary star who received multiple All-Star votes 3 times with a depth player.
I'm not sure why we are putting so much stock into these all-star votes... Ken Daneyko never received an all-star vote (according to the awards page) and he was picked in the 400's in the ATD. Guy Carbonneau never received an all-star vote at centre, despite winning the Selke. These guys did their job, and did it well, and no-one questions their placement in the ATD, despite their all-star voting records.

...and, in no way am I implying I think Woit is better then Daneyko or Carbonneau

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03-26-2013, 08:50 AM
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I hate to be a dick about it but it's the 4th or 5th time I've seen it now....it's berth....only my kids were all-star births....
no worries, I should have picked up on that...

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03-26-2013, 09:43 AM
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Dallas will round out the bench with a native of Edmonton, Alberta ... D Darryl Sydor
I believe I'm up, if my dyslexia hasn't got the better of me again.

Internet is screwed up at home, I'm at the library doing some other stuff, I'll pick in a few minutes

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I'm not sure why we are putting so much stock into these all-star votes... Ken Daneyko never received an all-star vote (according to the awards page) and he was picked in the 400's in the ATD. Guy Carbonneau never received an all-star vote at centre, despite winning the Selke. These guys did their job, and did it well, and no-one questions their placement in the ATD, despite their all-star voting records.

...and, in no way am I implying I think Woit is better then Daneyko or Carbonneau
Comparing apples to oranges here.

Definitely not fair talking about Carbonneau, who is a top-10 defensive player of all-time, not noted for his offence whatsoever. Defensive forwards get Selke votes, and in the rare case they are just as good offensively as defensively, they get all-star votes. Carbonneau was a defensive stalwart, could be the best of his timeframe, he receives recognition in other categories to make up for what he doesn't possess offensively. Woit didn't receive any recognition besides an All-Star game in the NHL.

Danyeko, I do not believe should go as early as he does. However, he was a punishing defenseman who was solid in his own zone and was a #2-#3 defenseman on three championship teams.

Unfortunately there really isn't a metric or statistic that can solidify Woit as an ATD-worthy spare, I had a few defensemen left on my shortlist that are all substantially better than Woit.

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03-26-2013, 10:07 AM
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Was deciding between two guys, this is the one.

With Claude Julien assisting him, the Boston Mules select head coach Karel Gut.



- Czech National team coach for 10 years, won two WC's at the helm.
- President of Czech Ice Hockey Federation for 10 years, introduced many new training systems and published many training / strategy books.
- Won two Budesliga championships for cellar dwellers Landshut not long after taking over the organization.
- Won 3 Bronze medals at the WCs as a groundbreaking (PMD) defenseman in his playing days.
- Elected into the Czech Hockey Hall of Fame.
- Elected nto the IIHF Hall of Fame in 1998.

Karel will take on the technical strategiers / training aspect of the team and oversee the in-game decisions. Julien will provide additional technical aspects and implement the schemes by Karel, oversee the training and help with a lot of the on-ice shift changes and as a gritty player in his playing days, will oversee the sandpaper aspect of this team.

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03-26-2013, 10:09 AM
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Will provide Karel Gut bio soon.

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03-26-2013, 10:38 AM
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Comparing apples to oranges here.

Definitely not fair talking about Carbonneau, who is a top-10 defensive player of all-time, not noted for his offence whatsoever. Defensive forwards get Selke votes, and in the rare case they are just as good offensively as defensively, they get all-star votes. Carbonneau was a defensive stalwart, could be the best of his timeframe, he receives recognition in other categories to make up for what he doesn't possess offensively. Woit didn't receive any recognition besides an All-Star game in the NHL.
You're right, Carbonneau isn't a great comparison. However, I was simply using him as an example to indicate that all-star voting doesn't paint the whole picture. Carbonneau won the Selke but never received an all-star vote yet Dirk Graham won the Selke and received an all-star vote. Is Dirk Graham better? Of course not...

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Danyeko, I do not believe should go as early as he does. However, he was a punishing defenseman who was solid in his own zone and was a #2-#3 defenseman on three championship teams.
We can find quotes about Woit indicating he was a punishing defenseman and rock-solid in his own zone. Apparently, he was good enough to partner with Kelly on those dynasty Wings teams.

As for Daneyko, in my opinion, he was never considered close to #2 on those Devils teams (Stevens and Niedermeyer), and in 2000 and 2004, I would say he was no better than #4 (Stevens, Niedermeyer, and Rafalski)... maybe a Devils fan can provide some insight (TDMM?)

basically, a #3-#4 defensemen on three cup champions, with no all-star votes, known for great defence and punishing hits, is good enough to go in the 400s (again, I like Daneyko as a selection, and his career value is outstanding).
but, a #4 defensemen on three cup champions, with no all-star votes (in the O6), known for good defence (horrendous offence) and punishing hits, isn't good enough as a 25th round spare?

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Unfortunately there really isn't a metric or statistic that can solidify Woit as an ATD-worthy spare, I had a few defensemen left on my shortlist that are all substantially better than Woit.
I'd be curious to know who these defencemen are (not a snarky comment, just interested in learning more...)


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Stone Cold Steve Austin !!!


Awards and Achievements:
6 x WWF Heavyweight Champion (1998, 1998, 1999, 1999, 2001, 2001)
2 x WWF Intercontinental Champion (1997, 1997)
4 x WWF Tag-Team Champion (1997, 1997, 1998, 2001)

King of the Ring Winner (1996)
3 x Royal Rumble Winner (1997, 1998, 2001)

2 x WCW Heavyweight Champion (1993, 1994)
2 x WCW Television Champion (1991, 1992)
WCW Tag-Team Champion (1993)


Offensive Accomplishments:
Piledrivers – 1st(1997, 1st(1998), 1st(2001), 2nd(2000), 2nd(2002), 3rd(1999), 4th(1993), 4th(1996), 5th(1994), 5th(1995)
Spinebusters – 1st(1996), 1st(1997), 1st(1998), 1st(2001), 2nd(1999), 2nd(2000)
Vertical Suplexes – 1st(1997), 1st(1998), 2nd(1996), 2nd(1999), 2nd(2001), 3rd(2000), 4th(2002), 5th(1993), 5th(1994), 5th(1995)

Percentages:
Offensive Damage – 145(2001), 120(1997), 120(1998), 100(2000), 100(2002), 95(1999)

Best 6 Years: 680





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Trained by "Gentleman" Chris Adams, Steve Austin broke into the wrestling business in Texas in 1990, as part of the USWA. After a year he moved on to WCW, where he won the WCW Television Championship under the name "Stunning" Steve Austin. An elbow injury lead to his firing from WCW, but Austin found a lifeboat in ECW, and, with the freedom afforded him by Paul Heyman, began crafting a voice that would later lead to superstardom in WWE.

Austin joined WWE in January 1996 as Ted DiBiase's "Million Dollar Champion." Debuting as "The Ringmaster," he defeated Savio Vega in a forgettable WrestleMania contest. Soon after, "Stone Cold" was born.

In June 1996, The Texas Rattlesnake became King of the Ring, defeating Jake Roberts in the tournament final. To cap off the victory, "Stone Cold" delivered a riveting promo, pillorying Roberts and his religious beliefs, and heralding the birth of the “Austin 3:16” era. His words gave way to Austin's WWE destiny, ushering in the famed Attitude Era. This violent Superstar would stop at nothing until he reached WWE’s top tier, and pummel anyone who dared cross his path.

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But Austin’s momentum, and WWE career, nearly halted in a freak injury at 1997’s SummerSlam. During a match against Owen Hart, Austin was dropped on his head during a piledriver from Hart, fracturing his neck.

"Stone Cold" ultimately recovered from the injury, and soon began his torrid rise to the top of the WWE heap. Austin’s matches against Superstars such as Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and the Undertaker, but he’s best remembered for his battles against two men — The Rock, and the WWE Chairman himself, Mr. McMahon.

The latter rivalry began in late 1997, when Austin, furious at McMahon for stripping him of the Intercontinental Title, delivered a "Stone Cold" Stunner to his boss in front of the Madison Square Garden crowd. It wouldn’t be the first time Mr. McMahon tasted Austin’s leather boot, as the pair’s hostile feud epitomized the Attitude Era.

The Rock and Austin criss-crossed just as often as Austin and Mr. McMahon. To put the rivalry in perspective, "Stone Cold" and the Rock, together, headlined three WrestleMania pay-per-views from 1993 to 2003, a feat no other Superstar has ever even come close to accomplishing. The two stars couldn’t have been more different, but no two men were ever as popular at the same time as Austin and Rock.

Austin retired from in-ring competition at the end of WrestleMania XIX, but continued to make memorable WWE appearances, usually at the expense of the McMahon. WWE crowds were never as long as when that glass shattered, and "Stone Cold" made his way to the ring, either in his leather boots, a Zamboni, or a beer truck.

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03-26-2013, 11:12 AM
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Stone Cold definitely could be a bargain basement 1st line glue guy.

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Stone Cold definitely could be a bargain basement 1st line glue guy.
What?

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Stone Cold definitely could be a bargain basement 1st line glue guy.
Real true.....I think I shoulda used Haystacks Calhoun as a goalie.....oh well, next draft.


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03-26-2013, 11:20 AM
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Stone Cold Steve Austin !!!


Awards and Achievements:
6 x WWF Heavyweight Champion (1998, 1998, 1999, 1999, 2001, 2001)
2 x WWF Intercontinental Champion (1997, 1997)
4 x WWF Tag-Team Champion (1997, 1997, 1998, 2001)

King of the Ring Winner (1996)
3 x Royal Rumble Winner (1997, 1998, 2001)

2 x WCW Heavyweight Champion (1993, 1994)
2 x WCW Television Champion (1991, 1992)
WCW Tag-Team Champion (1993)


Offensive Accomplishments:
Piledrivers – 1st(1997, 1st(1998), 1st(2001), 2nd(2000), 2nd(2002), 3rd(1999), 4th(1993), 4th(1996), 5th(1994), 5th(1995)
Spinebusters – 1st(1996), 1st(1997), 1st(1998), 1st(2001), 2nd(1999), 2nd(2000)
Vertical Suplexes – 1st(1997), 1st(1998), 2nd(1996), 2nd(1999), 2nd(2001), 3rd(2000), 4th(2002), 5th(1993), 5th(1994), 5th(1995)

Percentages:
Offensive Damage – 145(2001), 120(1997), 120(1998), 100(2000), 100(2002), 95(1999)

Best 6 Years: 680








You may have gotten the best value in the draft with those percentages

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I suppose we'll make our real pick to finish of the roster...

Hard-hitting and hard-shooting Soviet defenseman, Alexander Gusev.

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I suppose we'll make our real pick to finish of the roster...

Hard-hitting and hard-shooting Soviet defenseman, Alexander Gusev.
Nice choice, he was gonna be my pick if Campbell wasn't available

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