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03-24-2013, 07:06 PM
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A high draft pick, earned(lol) or traded for, will be a critical part of making a championship caliber team.
Absolutely, but you still have to pick the right guy. It seems some of the tank crowd thinks if you're the worst team, it guarantees you a great player. It doesn't, you still need competent management to draft and acclimate said player.

...but some great counter-points made to my post anyways from a lot of you. Josh made some good points, too.


As for EDM being young, that's true, but they don't need any more high picks. They'll be lucky to sign the ones they have. Their management needs to parley some youth into defense/goaltending, and add the right veterans. If they keep playing all young guys, and sucking forever, they will be eternal garbage.

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03-24-2013, 07:19 PM
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No sir, not vague at all, this team has lived by making moves to suck less vs being a contender. New ownership seems to be finally changing that.

The only thing surprising about the Goose move was what we got in return, NOT the move, choice was move him or lose him we certainly were not going to pay what he ended up getting. Wheres the surprise or OMG moment?
Hodgson as I already stated, and way I heard it played out was Vancouver targeted Kassian, NOT us going after Hodgson.

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Hodgson as I already stated, and way I heard it played out was Vancouver targeted Kassian, NOT us going after Hodgson.
Who told you this ?

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Who told you this ?
My super secret source...

Told me? Nobody directly, some different media I had heard and read around that time.

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Told me? Nobody directly, some different media I had heard and read around that time.
I'd appreciate if you could link a few, it's not a narrative I'd heard before.

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Seemed pretty mutual to me.

We needed a center and Vancouver wanted to add toughness. Although at the time i doubt we were actively shopping Kassian.

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03-24-2013, 08:49 PM
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I'd appreciate if you could link a few, it's not a narrative I'd heard before.
Absolutely, I'll get right on digging up 1 year + old news articles/reports to appease someone on a forum........


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Although at the time i doubt we were actively shopping Kassian.
BINGO! So if your not shopping him, how does a trade get made?


Anyhow the trade seems to have worked out well no matter which side you want to spin it for, back to tanking instead of chasing 9th.

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03-24-2013, 08:51 PM
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Can this year's squad truly be tanking?

If Management wanted BUF to tank, why not leave Ruff in as coach? It was working to that point...

If mgmt didn't want Lindy long(er)-term, then fine, remove him. But if mgmt truly wants to tank, then they forgot to tell Rolston to stop trying to win.

Or maybe the tank truly was / is on. So Rolston went back to Miller in the 2nd Habs game. Figuring a 0.8XX save % the past few Miller starts would guarantee a loss. And, futhermore, BUF gives up nearly 40 SOG. But, Sabres block another 30 SOG and Miller stones the Habs.

DAMMIT, THIS WHOLE ORGANIZATION ISN"T TRYING HARD ENOUGH TO LOSE TOGETHER!!!!

I'm 100% fine with the Sabres tanking. But I think the objective evidence is to the contrary

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I'd appreciate if you could link a few, it's not a narrative I'd heard before.
The narrative, per Gillis, was: "There were six young players that I would have traded [Hodgson] for if any of them were ever made available. One was made available at the trade deadline and it was [Kassian]."

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BINGO! So if your not shopping him, how does a trade get made?
Mutual interest that worked for both sides. To my knowledge you don't need to be actively seeking a trade to notice one which makes sense. The Timing had a huge role in the trade as well IMO, Hodgson was obviously a bit unhappy with his ice time and Foligno's emergence had made Kassian's toughness more expendable for the right asset. Who approached who on the trade is pretty insignificant in my my view; Darcy still has to pull the trigger on letting a prized prospect go. Not only that, he convinced an actual NHL GM to take Gragnani and we got a guy who's been pretty reliable in Sulzer.

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ZOMG!!! But who dialed the digits firrrrrrrst?!?! That is so important.

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The narrative, per Gillis, was: "There were six young players that I would have traded [Hodgson] for if any of them were ever made available. One was made available at the trade deadline and it was [Kassian]."
That's hardly what Zip2 said, though. It wouldn't be that hard to substantiate something as concrete as "Gillis put in the effort and initiated the trade."

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Chances of playoffs have now dropped again.

After Sunday's games were played (3/24), our chance at playoffs is now down to:

6.7%

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Chances of playoffs have now dropped again.

After Sunday's games were played (3/24), our chance at playoffs is now down to:

6.7%
Nothing a 3 game winning streak can't fix.

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Chances of playoffs have now dropped again.

After Sunday's games were played (3/24), our chance at playoffs is now down to:

6.7%
If Ottawa and Boston win in regulation tomorrow the percentage chance returns to where it was this morning.

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03-24-2013, 11:05 PM
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If Ottawa and Boston win in regulation tomorrow the percentage chance returns to where it was this morning.
Or if Ottawa and Boston lose in regulation the percentage drops to 5.9%...



Just playing Devil's advocate

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Also, we've improved our chances at a better pick.

The *Projected standings are now:

1) Florida
2) Colorado
3) Philadelphia
4) Buffalo
5) Calgary
6) Edmonton
7) Tampa Bay
8) NYI

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that matt fratin goal is going to come back to haunt
That goal is franchise-changing

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Sports Club Stats calculates each teamís odds of making the playoffs, how each upcoming game will impact those odds, and how well they have to finish out to have a shot. It knows the season schedule and scores for past games. Each time the league owner sends in new scores it simulates the rest of the season by randomly picking scores for each remaining game. The weighted method takes the opponents record and home field advantage into account when randomly picking scores, so the better team is more likely to win. The 50/50 method gives each opponent an equal chance of winning each game. Both methods let an appropriate percent of games end in a tie or go into overtime in leagues where that matters. When itís finished "playing" all the remaining games it applies the leagueís tie breaking rules to see where everyone finished. It repeats this random playing out of the season million of times (try it yourself), keeping track of how many "seasons" each team finishes where. Finally it updates this page with the new results for you to read with your morning coffee.
To help flush out each teamís highest and lowest possible seeds, I force them to win or lose all their remaining games for a small percentage of the simulation runs.



They are 4-1-1 in their last six, so they've definitely bucked their season trend. But yes, this next week (5 games) will be key to seeing in which direction they will go
Don't know which of those two methods is used in the stats you cite, but regardless, my biggest issue with the 50/50 method is it treats each outcome as an independent trial (which it is not), and the weighted method doesn't do "enough" to remove the independence from the outcomes.

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03-25-2013, 01:35 PM
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No sir, not vague at all, this team has lived by making moves to suck less vs being a contender. New ownership seems to be finally changing that.
I know and its reflected in the moves Regier has been making. That you can state the bolded and not realize that is somewhat bizarre. If Regier's moves aren't an example of this then what is? The new fireplace?

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The only thing surprising about the Goose move was what we got in return, NOT the move, choice was move him or lose him we certainly were not going to pay what he ended up getting.
Again missing the point. In the past we either added a minor depth player at the deadline and stood pat with our pending UFAs in an attempt to get into the playoffs. A guy like Goose would have been held onto in the past to increase our chances at the playoffs. Instead we moved him for max value at the deadline. So yes thats a change in approach.

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Wheres the surprise or OMG moment?
You expect every move building towards a contender to be a surprise or OMG moment?


Btw the Hodgson/Kassian trade was an OMG moment.
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Hodgson as I already stated, and way I heard it played out was Vancouver targeted Kassian, NOT us going after Hodgson.
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"We made a determination that he didn't want to be here, we built him into something we could move," Gillis told reporters in Vancouver. "There were six young players that I would have traded him for if any of them were ever made available. One was made available at the trade deadline, and it was Zack.”

Seems pretty obvious that Regier took advantage of an opportunity presented. Gillis wanted to move Hodgson and we had 1 of the 6 players he was interested in. There were obviously 5 other teams with players Gillis would have taken that didn't make a move. Its a big deal and an aggresive move when a team trades away a top prospect. Add in the issues Hodgson had there and its hardly a slam dunk the player we see emerging now was the one we were going to get.

I get the sense that no matter what Darcy does you will find some way to not give him credit for the move or dismiss the move as no big deal.

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Chances of playoffs have now dropped again.

After Sunday's games were played (3/24), our chance at playoffs is now down to:

6.7%
Oh, are we back to citing SportsClubStats and their faulty numbers?

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Add in the issues Hodgson had there and its hardly a slam dunk the player we see emerging now was the one we were going to get.

I get the sense that no matter what Darcy does you will find some way to not give him credit for the move or dismiss the move as no big deal.
Ya, Gillis felt he was washing his hands of a problem, and Kassian was gonna be our savior. This WAS a bold move by Regeir, and he deserves full credit for it. If Cody continues to play well, and becomes(stays) a #1, then DR gets ALL the credit for that, not Gillis for giving up on him. Totally backwards thinking.

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I think a huge part of us getting Hodgson was the depth the Canucks had. No GM could anticipate Kesler and Malhotra getting injured. They didn't have room for Cody. Much like Kassian for us, if Tropp wasn't hurt, Kassian would be splitting time on the 4th line.

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I think a huge part of us getting Hodgson was the depth the Canucks had. No GM could anticipate Kesler and Malhotra getting injured. They didn't have room for Cody. Much like Kassian for us, if Tropp wasn't hurt, Kassian would be splitting time on the 4th line.
The Nucks depth at center with Hodgson was nothing special and removing Hodgson created a hole. Plus Malhotra is an older 3/4 defensive center thats a faceoff specialist. Whereas Hodgson was a rookie offensive center with top 6 potential when he got traded. Other than being centers they have nothing in common and their impact/roles on the team were completely different.


To this day I think the Nucks make a huge mistake not trying to land another young center with Hodgson. For a top heavy roster like theirs, having a cheap talent like Hodgson (Potential top 6 center on ELC) is the type of depth that helps Cup runs.


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The Nucks depth at center with Hodgson was nothing special and removing Hodgson created a hole. Plus Malhotra is an older 3/4 defensive center thats a faceoff specialist. Whereas Hodgson was a rookie offensive center with top 6 potential when he got traded. Other than being centers they have nothing in common and their impact/roles on the team were completely different.


To this day I think the Nucks make a huge mistake not trying to land another young center with Hodgson. For a top heavy roster like theirs, having a cheap talent like Hodgson (Potential top 6 center on ELC) is the type of depth that helps Cup runs.
To be fair, Kassian is also a young top 6 potential player who could be making key contributions while still on his first or second contract. He's just not a center.

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To be fair, Kassian is also a young top 6 potential player who could be making key contributions while still on his first or second contract. He's just not a center.
Exactly so I'm not really getting your point. To be fair about what?

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