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03-26-2013, 09:38 AM
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okay...what is your own theory?
Uhh...that the coach thinks he is a better fit as a sniper on the wing.

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03-26-2013, 09:44 AM
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Bowman needs to look at Derek Roy first and Paul Stastny second.

I know, trading with Dallas is difficult but extension talks have stalled between them and Roy so why lose him for nothing? Pirri for Roy was met with some acceptance from Stars fans but that doesn't mean much in the real world. Any prospect currently in Rockford would be acceptable to give up.

Stastny will cost more (1st and McNeill/similar?) and is expensive beyond this season. But with buyouts/trades in the off season, he can be on the team next year.

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Bolland (yes I want him on the 4th in this scenario in a shutdown role with Kruger and Frolik)

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03-26-2013, 09:46 AM
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Kruger or Bolland.
I don't know all the reasons why, but Sharp isn't going back to center.

A real 2c is going to really hurt depth next year. Keep the roster and live with the hole.

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03-26-2013, 09:59 AM
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For the 1,00,000,000,000,000,000th time, the hawks do not have the long term cap space to acquire any non-rental players unless some serious salary (core players) is moved

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03-26-2013, 10:04 AM
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For the 1,00,000,000,000,000,000th time, the hawks do not have the long term cap space to acquire any non-rental players unless some serious salary (core players) is moved
They could acquire a guy and then try to move him or make it work over the summer (trade Bolland, Hjalmersson, Frolik, etc).

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03-26-2013, 10:12 AM
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For the 1,00,000,000,000,000,000th time, the hawks do not have the long term cap space to acquire any non-rental players unless some serious salary (core players) is moved
Really.

assuming a $64 mil cap for the next 4 years , meaning the cap does not go up after next year.

2014-15 $24 mill of cap space with only 9 current roster players signed
2015-16 $41 mil with 4 current roster players

The Hawks are in great cap shape for the next 5 years even if you give Toews and Kane $8 or $9 mil a year.

They are going to have a bunch of player in their first or 2nd RFA saving lots of space.

Just take a look at the contracts rolling off and the prospects coming through. Bolland's contract should be done and either McNeil or Danault should be able to fill his spot.

Same can be said for Clendening and Johns for Hammer and Oduya

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03-26-2013, 11:58 AM
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I say Shaw... better than Bolland.

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03-26-2013, 12:23 PM
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Kruger or Bolland.
I don't know all the reasons why, but Sharp isn't going back to center.

A real 2c is going to really hurt depth next year. Keep the roster and live with the hole.
A horrendous #2 C is gonna hurt Hawks this year

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03-26-2013, 01:11 PM
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A horrendous #2 C is gonna hurt Hawks this year
I'm not a fan of any of the options (including Sharp at 2c). But the circumstances don't really give Bowman too many good options when picking up an upgrade at 2c.

I think Bolland and Kruger are below average, not horrendous.

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03-26-2013, 01:13 PM
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I'm not a fan of any of the options (including Sharp at 2c). But the circumstances don't really give Bowman too many good options when picking up an upgrade at 2c.

I think Bolland and Kruger are below average, not horrendous.
Bolland has shown himself to be horrendous

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03-26-2013, 01:27 PM
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Bolland has shown himself to be horrendous
I've been anti keeping-Bolland-around since they won the cup. Circumstances changed. I think he's the best of the bad options at this point.

Given all the same problems we see now that we've been seeing 4 years (that too many fans gloss over with a few games in the 2010 postseason and a couple games in April 2011), I don't think he's even part of a package that lands a strong solution to the 2C problem.
I think that ship sailed last offseason or the first couple weeks this year.

Cap, assets, standings, etc. tell us that it could be much worse. He's going to get hot again for a streak and he's going to get hurt again and come back hot again. He's had a long enough career we know what to expect. He's not even at his worst yet, but this bad streak won't last. I just hope everybody remembers it when he does turn it around. He's overrated and has been very overrated but Bolland is still a solid player in my opinion.

For a 3 million cap hit (after that terribly overpriced extenstion by somebody at the time) he's very cost effective right now and that's good enough. Guys like Mark Cullen and Brooks Laich have a bigger cap hit and more deficiencies in their overall games.

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03-26-2013, 02:26 PM
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A horrendous #2 C is gonna hurt Hawks this year
Yup, look at our horrendous record. Just terrible.

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03-26-2013, 02:36 PM
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Sharp, that's the best option when he returns.

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Bowman needs to look at Derek Roy first and Paul Stastny second.

I know, trading with Dallas is difficult but extension talks have stalled between them and Roy so why lose him for nothing? Pirri for Roy was met with some acceptance from Stars fans but that doesn't mean much in the real world. Any prospect currently in Rockford would be acceptable to give up.

Stastny will cost more (1st and McNeill/similar?) and is expensive beyond this season. But with buyouts/trades in the off season, he can be on the team next year.

Toews
Stastny/Roy
Shaw
Bolland (yes I want him on the 4th in this scenario in a shutdown role with Kruger and Frolik)
Roy as a rental, maybe. Stastny? Not a chance with his cap hit.

Of course our top performing prospect who just so happens to be a 1C leading his team in points might be a swell guy to try out.

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03-26-2013, 02:47 PM
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Sharp, that's the best option when he returns.
Maybe so.

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03-26-2013, 04:05 PM
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I'd take Goc and give him this spot...

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03-26-2013, 04:10 PM
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I'd like to find out the real reason why Sharp isn't being played at 2nd line C. It sounds cliche but if he were to move there it probably would be better than any move to acquire a 2LC.

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03-26-2013, 04:12 PM
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I'd like to find out the real reason why Sharp isn't being played at 2nd line C. It sounds cliche but if he were to move there it probably would be better than any move to acquire a 2LC.
It only sounds cliche because people have been saying it for almost three years with no sign of the coaching staff giving a damn.

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03-26-2013, 05:26 PM
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or Sharp carrying enough to put his foot down and insist on it.

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03-26-2013, 05:54 PM
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or Sharp carrying enough to put his foot down and insist on it.
Maybe Sharp has told Q et al that he doesn't want to or refuses to play center. I don't think he's been placed there at all since he signed his new contract.

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03-26-2013, 05:59 PM
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Maybe Sharp has told Q et al that he doesn't want to or refuses to play center. I don't think he's been placed there at all since he signed his new contract.

If he doesn't want to play C, then he is selfish. His personal stats over the betterment of the team is not what I want on a team.

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Sharp played there on a stacked cup team, so what the hell gives on a team that is in serious need of a 2c. I don't get it.

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he is also better on faceoffs than Bolland, Krüger or Shaw

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Doesn't this have to be Bolland's last year? He has proven he cannot play the #2 center and the Hawks have competent replacements as the #3 center (Shaw or Pirri and Denault or McNeil down the road).

And before someone says that Bolland is better than the #3 the Hawks have, he isn't when comparing their cap hit. Bolland can be replaced and his $ spent on the #2 center. I don't know who that is but you can definitely trade for him this year, keep Bolland for the remainder of this year, and then trade him in the offseason to free up space. The Hawks are in the position to either get a #2 center rental or someone with a couple years left as long as their cap hit is not too high. You got hope TT can be that guy in 1-2 years.

And I don't get this talk of Iginla. He would be nice but there is no way the Hawks should give up the assets to acquire him. Now if Washington falls out, Ribiero would be incredible as the #2 center. Could you imagine this:
Toews, Hossa, Saad
Ribiero, Kane, Sharp
Bolland, Shaw, Bickell
Mayers, Frolik, Stalberg

That would be the deepest 4 lines in hockey. Now if Crow can stop the softies....

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And before someone says that Bolland is better than the #3 the Hawks have, he isn't when comparing their cap hit.
For all the complaining about Bolly's contract, a 3.375 cap hit is barely above average on a 22 man roster next year. Alright, if not decent value.

Bit above average for an elite shutdown center that flags during the regular season but is a proven playoff warrior/shutdown machine? I'll take that.

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