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C Aleksander Barkov - Tampere Tappara, FEL (2013, 2nd overall, Florida) III

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03-25-2013, 10:26 PM
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Re: Barkov's skating, he has a long, smooth stride, he's a pretty good skater. He's not particularly explosive, but most big guys aren't, and he's still quick enough to stay with speedy players defensively. The main reason people might see him as slow is that he's a very positional player. Some guys are flying around at full speed constantly, that's not Barkov at all, he knows where to be on the ice and that often means that he's not skating overly fast. When he needs to get somewhere quickly, he does, but he only goes all out occasionally/when necessary. I don't see it as a problem, many of the best big NHL forwards have played the game in a similar way (Mats Sundin, Jaromir Jagr, Joe Thornton, Eric Staal, Ryan Getzlaf, etc. are all guys who can really skate, but who chose to play positionally and only use their speed when they need to). Not all big forwards need to be explosive like Ovechkin, Malkin, Lemieux, etc.


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03-26-2013, 09:27 AM
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Tappara lost the game 4 today but still leads the series 3-1. Barkov had 22.22 TOI and had 1 assist. He has currently scored most points in the series. Pretty nice for 17 year old stepping up at the playoffs and arguably being series MVP at this point. At this rate he will have pretty good or better chances/chance on WHC team for Finland.
0+4=4 is ok but +3 is amazing because he plays alot PK. Jalonen is idiot if he don't even consider to take Barkov+Nieminen duo in to WHC team.

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03-26-2013, 09:32 AM
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0+4=4 is ok but +3 is amazing because he plays alot PK. Jalonen is idiot if he don't even consider to take Barkov+Nieminen duo in to WHC team.
powerplay goals don't affect plus/minus in sm-liiga so playing lots of pk doesnt matter to his +/-.

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03-26-2013, 09:40 AM
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Oops my bad But that PK has been very impressive. 100% PK so far (23.18 minutes PK)..

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03-26-2013, 11:21 AM
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Oops my bad But that PK has been very impressive. 100% PK so far (23.18 minutes PK)..
How do you know how much he has played PK? There have been atleast couple of times 5 on 3 PK. But there is not really any area or situation in the game that Barkov can't play effectively.

Nieminen-Barkov-Osala

That would be great 3rd line...


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03-26-2013, 12:12 PM
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How do you know how much he has played PK? There have been atleast couple of times 5 on 3 PK. But there is not really any area or situation in the game that Barkov can't play effectively.

Nieminen-Barkov-Osala

That would be great 3rd line...
I have seen those four playoff games and when Tappara plays PK, Barkov will be playin that. Last time when there was one minute 5vs3 Barkov was whole minute on the ice. He plays alot PK.

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03-26-2013, 02:03 PM
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Barkov is probably more NHL ready than anyone in this draft, correct?

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03-26-2013, 02:34 PM
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Barkov is probably more NHL ready than anyone in this draft, correct?
I think Nate and maybe Jo is more ready.

Barkov should be in NHL imo but I don't think he'll getting 60+ points. 3rd line C with pk time would be ideal for him, and some pp time.

He hasn't played in NA, in smaller rinks too much. He has to adjust to travel and larger number of games, tempo of the game etc. more than Halifax duo.

Just my opinion though.

But that's just from helping the team next year.. He needs to fill out and improve first few steps to be star in NHL but he's very mature player. In that sense he might be most ready. I'm confident that he won't be making lot of rookie mistakes there.

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Barkov is probably more NHL ready than anyone in this draft, correct?
Barkov is NHL ready if the team wants to "couturier" him and want him to become the next Jordan Staal. He could definitely be a decent 3rd/4th line defensive center already.

If the team wants to develop his offensive game a little more and make him more of a Joe Thornton then the first destination is definitely AHL, though. Of course it also depends on which team drafts him and their center depth.

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03-26-2013, 05:57 PM
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If the team wants to develop his offensive game a little more and make him more of a Joe Thornton then the first destination is definitely AHL, though. Of course it also depends on which team drafts him and their center depth.
Kind of ironic that Joe Thornton went to straight to NHL from draft and had like 7 points in 55 games or something like that .

Personally don't see AHL helping him that much but maybe it's the best option. We'll see.

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Kind of ironic that Joe Thornton went to straight to NHL from draft and had like 7 points in 55 games or something like that .

Personally don't see AHL helping him that much but maybe it's the best option. We'll see.
Why would he go from the SM-Liiga to the AHL anyway? Isn't that a lateral move?

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03-26-2013, 06:16 PM
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Why would he go from the SM-Liiga to the AHL anyway? Isn't that a lateral move?
There could be some benefits.

Get used to NA game, smaller rink, faster tempo, longer seasons, travel, blindside headshots

Teams could manage his development better. Better drugs etc..

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Kind of ironic that Joe Thornton went to straight to NHL from draft and had like 7 points in 55 games or something like that .
Different era too. And I definitely don't mean that Barkov has Thornton-upside, more like a lite version of him.

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Barkov is NHL ready if the team wants to "couturier" him and want him to become the next Jordan Staal. He could definitely be a decent 3rd/4th line defensive center already.

If the team wants to develop his offensive game a little more and make him more of a Joe Thornton then the first destination is definitely AHL, though. Of course it also depends on which team drafts him and their center depth.
Nonsence... Barkov started his FEL career as 16 year old as 3rd C with defensive duties and not much PP time. Other option was U20 A-SM with big offensive role and much icetime. When you watch him he has improved alot. which one was the better developement path? Barkov seems to be one who developes better in tougher competition.

Me, Tormentor and many of the other posters thought that he might started his FEL career too early and it would affect his offensive developement negativelly because he played in limited role instead of dominating U20 A-SM. But i think that we were wrong about that.


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I honestly think Barkov is already a borderline top 6 nhl center. We'll see I guess.

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Why would he go from the SM-Liiga to the AHL anyway? Isn't that a lateral move?
Look at Mikael Granlund

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Look at Mikael Granlund
Barkov and Granlund are very different players.

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Look at Mikael Granlund
Look at Sasha Barkov


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Look at Mikael Granlund
Tearing up AHL?

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Barkov would be the Flames best Center right now, and will be next season hopefully.

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Ridiculous how he makes Armia looks like a small guy.
Of course the angle emphasize that but still...

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Ridiculous how he makes Armia looks like a small guy.
Of course the angle emphasize that but still...
I look forward to them measuring Barkov's current height at the draft. Armia's not any smaller than what he's listed as (6'3") and I think Barkov's at least the same height, if not slightly taller.

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I look forward to them measuring Barkov's current height at the draft. Armia's not any smaller than what he's listed as (6'3") and I think Barkov's at least the same height, if not slightly taller.
Armia is currently 6'4 i believe. But it doesen't matter if Barkov is 6'3 or 6'4 he is very thick and big for that height. It's very interesting to see Barkov at the combine. He could very well one of the most strongest prospects in physical tests. He will get alot of attetion and hype after that combine i'm pretty sure about it.

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Tearing up AHL?
To be honest Granlund did struggle surprizingly much with the transition to the AHL. Maybe not offensively that much but defensively he definitely did. He wasn't dominate, and he isn't dominating the game in the AHL even today.

If defensive game or physical play was a weakness for Barkov, I could definitely see him struggle with the transition too.

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