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08-09-2006, 04:48 PM
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What will Markov/Souray command once UFA's?

I'm guessing the Maple Leafs 3 big defensemen are a good comparison that Markov will use once he hits the open market next July 1.

Bryan McCabe, avg. of $5,750,000 (5 years)
Pavel Kubina, avg. of $5,000,000 (4 years)
Tomas Kaberle, average of $4,250,000 (4 years)

Here are other salaries from contracts signed in 2006:

Nicklas Lidstrom, $7,600,000 (this season)
Ed Jovanovski, $7,000,000
Zdeno Chara, $7,250,000
Wade Redden, $6,500,000
Rob Blake, $6,000,000

Andrei is currently making $2,000,000. They better sign him to an extension during the season, or else his price skyrockets in the offseason.

Same story with Sheldon Souray.

Kim Johnsson, $4,050,000
Jay McKee, $4,000,000
Derek Morris, $3,900,000
Willie Mitchell, $3,500,000
Colin White, $3,000,000
Danny Markov, $2,500,000.
Brendan Witt, $2,500,000
Janne Niinimaa, $2,508,000
Darryl Sydor, $2,128,000

I haven't even listed the salaries of these players:

- Derian Hatcher (3.5)
- Adam Foote (4.6)
- Adrian Aucoin (4.0)
- Brian Rafalski (4.2)
- Vladmir Malakhov (3.8)
- Dan Boyle (3.6)
- Filip Kuba (3.0)
- Mike Rathje (3.5)
- Kyle McLaren (2.5)


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08-09-2006, 04:58 PM
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I'm guessing the Maple Leafs 3 big defensemen are a good comparison that Markov will use once he hits the open market next July 1.

Bryan McCabe, avg. of $5,750,000 (5 years)
Pavel Kubina, avg. of $5,000,000 (4 years)
Tomas Kaberle, average of $4,250,000 (4 years)

Here are other salaries from contracts signed in 2006:

Nicklas Lidstrom, $7,600,000 (this season)
Ed Jovanovski, $7,000,000
Zdeno Chara, $7,250,000
Wade Redden, $6,500,000
Rob Blake, $6,000,000

Andrei is currently making $2,000,000. They better sign him to an extension during the season, or else his price skyrockets in the offseason.

Same story with Sheldon Souray.

Kim Johnsson, $4,050,000
Jay McKee, $4,000,000
Derek Morris, $3,900,000
Willie Mitchell, $3,500,000
Colin White, $3,000,000
Danny Markov, $2,500,000.
Brendan Witt, $2,500,000
Janne Niinimaa, $2,508,000
Darryl Sydor, $2,128,000


there's no more free rides. the agents and players after seeing the salarys from arbratration awarded this year will have a many many more taking that route next year


markov has a very good case for 5 million
souray 4 - 4.25

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i'd say Markov 4.8-5M
Souray 3.8M

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08-09-2006, 05:04 PM
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Markov 4.5-5M
Souray 3.5-4M

With the way owners been spending expect it closer to my high end predictions then lowend.

One thing you have to consider is next year is a weak year for defensemen in the UFA market. Markov and Brad Stuart are the 2 best guys i can see so they might even make more then if it was a year like this year with so many good defensemen.

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Markov will get 5+, unless they give him term beyond 4 years.

Seeing that Kubina got 5, Souray who is statistically better than Kubina the last two seasons, will get at least as much.

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I say Markov gets $5,500,000 and Souray gets $4,000,000.

Then you have Rivet, who's also an UFA, if he sticks around I think he gets around $2,750,000.

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Markov 4.5-5M
Souray 3.5-4M

With the way owners been spending expect it closer to my high end predictions then lowend.

One thing you have to consider is next year is a weak year for defensemen in the UFA market. Markov and Brad Stuart are the 2 best guys i can see so they might even make more then if it was a year like this year with so many good defensemen.
I tend to agree with your numbers ... some of the teams have already committed to 30+ million for 07-08, which means a few less bidders next year.

However, there are some good defencemen out there, I would put these into same ballpark with Markov: Rafalski, Timonen, Stuart, Brewer, Hamrlik and Hannan. In the 2nd level, in addition to Souray and Rivet we have Salo, Markov, Phillips, Niinimaa, Sopel, etc. ... and then there are propably some others I missed aswell.

Personally I'd be happy if we manage to Markov and Rivet and get reasonably good replacement for Souray.

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However, there are some good defencemen out there, I would put these into same ballpark with Markov: Rafalski, Timonen, Stuart, Brewer, Hamrlik and Hannan. In the 2nd level, in addition to Souray and Rivet we have Salo, Markov, Phillips, Niinimaa, Sopel, etc. ... and then there are propably some others I missed aswell.
When i said weak on defensemen i ment top end(like this year we had Jovo, Chara and Redden). That being said i didn't know Hannan and Rafalski were UFAs.

I guess that's enough guys to prevent bidding wars. I would probably bump Hamrlik down to second level, but Stuart, A Markov, Hannan, Rafalski and Brewer will all probably be in that 4.5-5M range(maybe a lil less in Brewers case). If i had to take a guess Stuart will get the biggest contract of them all. There is one or 2 teams thought that are probably so desperate for a defenseman one of those guys will probably be overpaid.

That being said it should be interesting as you pointed out, alot of teams have 30+ million commited already, you might see the cap actually making a difference in the economic landscape next summer.

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I tend to agree with your numbers ... some of the teams have already committed to 30+ million for 07-08, which means a few less bidders next year.

However, there are some good defencemen out there, I would put these into same ballpark with Markov: Rafalski, Timonen, Stuart, Brewer, Hamrlik and Hannan. In the 2nd level, in addition to Souray and Rivet we have Salo, Markov, Phillips, Niinimaa, Sopel, etc. ... and then there are propably some others I missed aswell.

Personally I'd be happy if we manage to Markov and Rivet and get reasonably good replacement for Souray.
Markov is better than any defenseman you listed.

I think Montreal will look to Kaberle's salary of $4.25M, since they're comparable players. Then, they would try to get him at $4M or close to it, but there are so many overpaid defensemen nowadays, that Markov will use Jovanovski as a comparison, who I think Markov is much better than. And look at JovoCop's salary.

His agent will try to claw within atleast $2M of what Jovo is getting, which is $7M.

But yeah, Andrei Markov is way better than Scott Hannan, Roman Hamrlik, Eric Brewer, etc...

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Markov 4.5 to 5.3

Souray 3.5 to 4.1

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Markov 5.5, Souray 4.5

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Markov 3.5 - 4.0
Souray 3.0-3.5

I'd like to see Markov stay, gotta sign him to an extension. His price will go right up once he's a UFA and all these teams start going after him.

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Markov 3.5 - 4.0
Souray 3.0-3.5

I'd like to see Markov stay, gotta sign him to an extension. His price will go right up once he's a UFA and all these teams start going after him.
There's no chance on earth Markov gets less than $4M.

At worst, I see him getting what Kim Johnsson's getting at $4.85M a year on average.

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its sad to say but i dont think we will be able to resign souray. We're just below the cap. I don't think Rivet will ask for a raise but he's not going to take a paycut.

Bonk and Aebischer will be gone by next season, that will allow us to sign Markov and we have no room for Souray unless he doesn't command more then 3M which is doubtfull.

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Of course, it does depend to some extent on how well they play. Especially for Souray and Rivet, IMO. But if they all play up to their reasonable potential, then I'd say:

Markov: $5-6M
Souray: $3.9-$4.5M
Rivet: $3-4M

It's extremely likely that we won't be able to keep all 3, IMO. I just can't see the cap going up enough to make that a realistic possibility. Right now, I'd lean towards keeping Markov and Rivet. But again, so much will depend on how this season goes.

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I see us retaining Markov at $5.5m, and then losing Souray and maybe picking up Hannan, or another replacement at $4. Rivet will be gone. So Cote will come up or a cheap 5-6 will have to be signed, as well.

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Timonen is still so underrated here...

I'd put him up there with the best availables next year.

He's Nashville's version of our still leaguewide underrated Andrei Markov.

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Of course, it does depend to some extent on how well they play. Especially for Souray and Rivet, IMO. But if they all play up to their reasonable potential, then I'd say:

Markov: $5-6M
Souray: $3.9-$4.5M
Rivet: $3-4M

It's extremely likely that we won't be able to keep all 3, IMO. I just can't see the cap going up enough to make that a realistic possibility. Right now, I'd lean towards keeping Markov and Rivet. But again, so much will depend on how this season goes.
I think that scenario is most realistic.

I'd love to keep souray but markov must be the #1 priority. Perhaps, Craig will take a bit of a paycut to staywith the only team he knows.

Its tough to predict the market on a year to year basis but I would think markov will get in the 5 mil rrange while souray will be in the 4-4.5mil range

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Timonen is still so underrated here...

I'd put him up there with the best availables next year.

He's Nashville's version of our still leaguewide underrated Andrei Markov.
Timonen would be a nice addition to the blueline, but I could see him having some serious suitors if he plays well this season.

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Of course, it does depend to some extent on how well they play. Especially for Souray and Rivet, IMO. But if they all play up to their reasonable potential, then I'd say:

Markov: $5-6M
Souray: $3.9-$4.5M
Rivet: $3-4M

It's extremely likely that we won't be able to keep all 3, IMO. I just can't see the cap going up enough to make that a realistic possibility. Right now, I'd lean towards keeping Markov and Rivet. But again, so much will depend on how this season goes.
Well, didnt the NHLPA ask for the cap increase to be 'less' so that escow could be limited. If the case, I would expect the cap to increase to what it should have this season, something around 48M$. That gives 4M$ for teams who are right now against the cap. Still, I think your numbers are good, someone will throw big cash at Markov, hope we keep him. Emelin, are you ready?

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Hopefully the combination of the Cap going up, losing useless players and players not asking the moon will make us sign all three ufa defensemen...I like all of them.

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One billion dollars.
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Markov is better than any defenseman you listed.

I think Montreal will look to Kaberle's salary of $4.25M, since they're comparable players. Then, they would try to get him at $4M or close to it, but there are so many overpaid defensemen nowadays, that Markov will use Jovanovski as a comparison, who I think Markov is much better than. And look at JovoCop's salary.

His agent will try to claw within atleast $2M of what Jovo is getting, which is $7M.

But yeah, Andrei Markov is way better than Scott Hannan, Roman Hamrlik, Eric Brewer, etc...
I didnt mean that to be comparison in anyway ... just listed some defencemen who could be in tier 1 at around 4-6 million and tier 2 at around 2-4 million. There wont many number one defencemen like Chara, Redden or Jovanovski available - but quite a few 2nd-3rd types like Markov.

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One billion dollars.
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But seriously I think Tomas Kaberle is the closest defenseman that resemble's Markov IMO and I think Markov will end up with $4.5m/4 years

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